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    Signing of FA Ram Defenders an indictment of Marmie?

    Adam Archuleta - the league's highest paid safety.

    Ryan Pickett - teams bidding for his services.

    Damione Lewis - signed by a playoff team.

    Rams 2005 Defense - a laughing stock.

    Is it me, or does that last statement seem inconsistent with the first three? You wouldn't think that teams would be rushing to sign players who started on a defense as maligned as the Rams' D has been.

    Is this just the residual reputation value of three former first rounders... or is there something else at work here?

    I have to wonder if personnel directors and coaches on other teams have given Ram defenders a "pass," to some extent, because they viewed the Rams' defense as being poorly coached under Marmie. It truly seems that Washington, Green Bay and Carolina believe that the Ram defenders they have signed will succeed in a their systems, notwithstanding their failings in Marmie's system.

    As a Ram fan, I have to hope that these teams are right. If Marmie's system can be blamed to an extent for the poor defensive play (I think we all believe it can be), then maybe some of the players remaining will improve greatly under Jim Haslett.


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    Re: Signing of FA Ram Defenders an indictment of Marmie?

    thats one of the best points/ideas/theories i think i have heard

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    Re: Signing of FA Ram Defenders an indictment of Marmie?

    the residual reputation value of three former first rounders
    I would say that sums it up.

    The only player of the three that seemed to garner any interest from the Rams, was Pickett, but only at a certain price.

    None of the three were superstars under Lovie's reign.








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    Re: Signing of FA Ram Defenders an indictment of Marmie?

    Well said AV , I couldn't agree more.


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    Re: Signing of FA Ram Defenders an indictment of Marmie?

    I do also believe, we HAVE talent on defense, its just the way it was represented for them was terrible. Under Haslett things WILL change for the better


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    Re: Signing of FA Ram Defenders an indictment of Marmie?

    With the exception of Pickett, Arch and DLew have been disappointments. Will they be better under a new system/team? Perhaps, but I don't think they will be the play makers that these teams are hoping for.

    As for the rest of the defensive players left; I think they will benefit from a new system/better coaching.
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    Re: Signing of FA Ram Defenders an indictment of Marmie?

    Wonders how one agrees with questions or calls them good points. However, agreeing or giving approval towards the asking of questions is understandable.

    Hey, if you have any more questions or speculation, would it be ok for me to give my answer or opinion before agreeing to the questions? Or would that seem disagreeable?







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    Re: Signing of FA Ram Defenders an indictment of Marmie?

    While my post asked a question, clearly it also suggested an answer (somewhat of a leading question, if you will). I think its that suggestion that people are agreeing with.

    Of course you knew that, and were just trying to be cute, but I thought I'd explain it to you anyway.

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    Re: Signing of FA Ram Defenders an indictment of Marmie?

    Good Point Av. NO matter what anyone says I still say it was Marmie.
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    Re: Signing of FA Ram Defenders an indictment of Marmie?

    An interesting question/suggestion..........

    It may not be an indictment of Marmie so much as it's an indictment of how the Rams approached their D over the last 5 years in which there was a tendency to paper over the cracks. We also shouldn't forget positional coaches like Kollar/Schottenheimer.

    Yeah, Marmie was a terrible coordinator with no record of success anywhere he'd been but I still feel that part of the responsibility lies with the players. No one forced Arch to whiff on numerous tackles and be poor in pass coverage, no forced Lewis to be a nutcracking bust, and Pickett was servicable rather than outstanding in my opinion.

    Teams get dazzled by the bright lights of free agency and insist they can do it better, they can coach players better, discipline them better, provide a better environment and so get better performance.

    TO and the Cowboys are prime examples.

    We will improve under Haslett but part of that will be because our personnel will have improved.

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    Re: Signing of FA Ram Defenders an indictment of Marmie?

    I don't think its a question as to whether our defensive players will improve under Haslett (Any player that has more than a couple of years as starters under their belt in the NFL are good players), but more about the system that will be installed and adjusted during games. Marmie's system stunk, and he showed little ability to adjust his defense during a game (probably a side effect of the arrogance that Martz had with his offensive scheme). It looks like the Rams are molding their defense to fit the personality (scheme) of Haslett, while managing the money. The proof will be when the season starts.
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