starting to miss martz's offense

[tanus]

Originally Posted by general counsel

just curious whether the fans of the martz offense miss the turnovers also. If we had turned the ball over early in the game yesterday, as we did frequently in the martz era, that game would have been over in no time. We stayed in it, pathetic as we were, by taking care of the ball.

Its amazing how the grass is always greener for so many people.

Guys, the talent is the key and its not there on defense and its not there on the oline under the best of circumstances and without pace you can foget it.

Remember how we couldnt get the ball downfield against tampa in the martz era because we couldnt protect? Same thing.

ramming speed to all

general counsel

GC, I think you make a bit of wild assumption with your view of Martz. I've always been a Martz supporter and still am. You can criticize him all you want for his turnovers and it is a valid point if you would rather have a conservative type of offense. The thing I don't like about Linehan is that his game plan relies on winning the turnover battle. If you note, our only wins this year are when we have a +2 or more advantage in turnovers (yikes). With Martz, we had a pretty decent record even when losing the turnover battle. It would be a good project to check our exact record with differing turnover ratios and I may do it over the thanksgiving break if family just bores me to utter death. I think we need more information on turnovers than just the numbers themselves though too. We need some type of ranking system for the impact of the turnovers.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that its more the overall impact of turnovers rather than the turnover itself that is really crucial. Blah, I feel like I can't type exactly what I'm thinking. Maybe I'll edit this later, but I hope you get the idea of what I am trying to say. :x

[general counsel]

Tanus, i do understand your point and i am not necessarily disagreeing with you. High risk equals high reward.

My point is that (not directed at you) many of the people that are mentioning martz today are the same that were blasting him in the past. The grass is always greener. I supported martz as well, like everyone, he had his plusses and minuses.

With anything in life, you have to take the good with the bad. The martz offense had more fireworks and sure we won at time while losing the turnover battle, but only when we had a much stronger offensive line than we have right now.

People continue to underestimate the combination of the loss of pace and also mcollom. Not because incognitio has been bad, i think he has been good, but that we are considerably weaker at guard because richie isnt playing there. In addition, timmerman is not the same player he was even a couple of years ago.

The deterioration of the offensive line is the single biggest contributing factor into the deterioration of the rams offense. That and the fact that we dont have a peak marshall faulk, which is another story. Jackson is doing very well this year and he is not the cause of our scoring woes.

ramming speed to all

general counsel

[jkramsfan]

GC, i think what alot of people are saying is that if were going to suck, lets at least suck while trying to score some points,with martz we would have tried to go down the field, with linehan we are throwing 3-4 yard passes all day and to me thats just wasting our talented guys. if your going to throw the ball linehan,throw the damn ball down the field or scrape the pass and run jackson.

[tanus]

Very good points GC. The OL is definitely a big factor. However, nothing was hardly done to improve the OL in the offseason. Unless I am forgetting something it was basically ignored. It is a head scratcher with the age of McCollum and Timmerman that the OL wasn't addressed more. I still don't understand spending two first day picks on TEs.