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    Re: Steven Jackson Wants us to Pick An OL with 2nd Pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    While a lot of people favor the best player available draft strategy, it would be pretty hard to consider someone like Dorsey or even Ellis when Carriker was just drafted as a DT last year, though I think Ellis may be more versatile.
    I don't know if it would be that hard for two reasons: One may be that the Rams are fed up with Wroten; another reason and the most important is where the Rams will have Dorsey stacked on their board come draft day. If he is clearly BPA in their evaluation of him, and Chris Long is gone, then I think they would take him. We should be able to find vallue in round two or three with regard to the O-line. It is hard for me to see our FO besotted with Jake to the point they would expend the 2nd overall pick on him .. With Linny and Haz in contract years, they need to grab an impact player who can contribute this year. My two cents anyway ..


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    Re: Steven Jackson Wants us to Pick An OL with 2nd Pick.

    To me it doesn't make sense to take a guy with the #2 overall pick and then have him be just a guy on the rotation. We need a full time starter with that pick, somebody who is going to bring this team to another level. If you draft Dorsey, now our first round picks from the last 2 years only get to play half the time each, and we have spent 2 consecutive first round picks only filling one hole. I'd rather see a DE or OT any day of the week than another DT. Maybe if you want to address DT you do it later in the draft. But not with the #2 pick.

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    Re: Steven Jackson Wants us to Pick An OL with 2nd Pick.

    Jackson needs to be quiet and concentrate on his end of the game. We need a pass rushing DE!!!!!!!

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    Re: Steven Jackson Wants us to Pick An OL with 2nd Pick.

    I think with Saunders as the OC, Jackon is going to have a big year in 08! GO RAMS!

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    Re: Steven Jackson Wants us to Pick An OL with 2nd Pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by cfh128 View Post
    To me it doesn't make sense to take a guy with the #2 overall pick and then have him be just a guy on the rotation.
    Agreed, but I think that we would draft Dorsey only if we were comfortable moving Carriker to end. If we (or Carriker himself) would be worried about moving him to end, Dorsey is no more an option than McFadden IMO.

    Clifton Ryan is a NT, Dorsey and Carriker are UTs. NT and UT are not interchangable, you can't have Dorsey and Carriker both playing the tackle position.

    In either case I think the Rams add a DE, it's just a matter of whether it will be Chris Long or Adam Carriker. As long as we don't take Jake Long, I think I'll be happy. Taking an "above average" tackle at #2 overall would really upset me.

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    Re: Steven Jackson Wants us to Pick An OL with 2nd Pick.

    I really like Sedrick Ellis even though we have a good young DT combo i would take him if Chris Long was gone. Reason being he is more versatile than Dorsey is a great interior penetrator and could play great NT, unlike Dorsey who may be limited to play UT which we already have in Carriker. That would give us a great interior line rotation similar to the Jags, but younger and a little bit smaller

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    Re: Steven Jackson Wants us to Pick An OL with 2nd Pick.

    How bout we go offensive line and defensive line?

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    Re: Steven Jackson Wants us to Pick An OL with 2nd Pick.

    i wish jackson would focus just a little less on his personal stats (ie 2500 yards) and a little more on his blocking and blitz pickup, which will help the team a lot. The yards will come if the blocking exists, we all know how talented he is. However, more commitment out of him on pass blocking and blitz pickup would be nice. I am not saying he is awful, just that he still has a LOT of room for improvement.

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    Re: Steven Jackson Wants us to Pick An OL with 2nd Pick.

    Jackson isn't too bad at blocking, he's no Marshall and will sometimes get beat easily by LBs moves but not too frequently.

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    Re: Steven Jackson Wants us to Pick An OL with 2nd Pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    I really doubt there's going to be a safety available that's worth taking with the 34th pick in the draft, which is where we pick in the second round. Additionally, we need more than just a rush specialist at defensive end; we need a potential full time starter.



    It's going to be tough for them to trade out of that spot, though. Getting anything close to equal value for that pick is going to be just about impossible. Most people think the Cowboys and their two first round picks present the best change for a trade, but even when you total the value of all of Dallas' picks this year, it's not even worth two thirds of Miami's top overall selection. So how is a team going to make up the value difference?
    Nick, is it important for the Dolphins to get equal value or more players that can help them,they only won 1 game,so I would think that as good as 1 player could be, would that 1 player make a bigger difference than say 2-3 good players,I don't really understand the draft pick values so maybe my opinion doesn't make that much sense to say the Dolphins.

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    Re: Steven Jackson Wants us to Pick An OL with 2nd Pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by txramsfan View Post
    They are also throwing in Marion Barber.
    It's going to be hard to get much value for Barber when there are so many talented running backs in this class, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by MauiRam View Post
    One may be that the Rams are fed up with Wroten
    Their feelings about Wroten are largely inconsequential to this matter since he's a depth player. We're not going to replace a depth player with the second overall pick. We're looking for a starter, and right now, we seem to already have a starter at the position Dorsey would play.

    Quote Originally Posted by MauiRam View Post
    another reason and the most important is where the Rams will have Dorsey stacked on their board come draft day. If he is clearly BPA in their evaluation of him, and Chris Long is gone, then I think they would take him.
    I disagree, and here's why. What would happen if Long was gone and the best player on their board was, say, a quarterback? Do you make that pick even though you've got Bulger signed long term? Absolutely not, my point being that simply being the guy on the top of the board isn't an automatic ticket to being the selection. Dorsey may be the best player available at that spot, but if the Rams feel Carriker is their UT of the future, then there's no need to use back-to-back first rounders upgrading one position when so many other areas need addressed.

    Quote Originally Posted by jkramsfan View Post
    Nick, is it important for the Dolphins to get equal value or more players that can help them
    There's no doubt the Dolphins could likely use as much help as they can get, but that shouldn't mean they're suddenly going to take a lesser deal in order to get it. I'm sure they'd be perfectly content staying put and taking an elite player rather than lose value just to take two very good ones.
    Last edited by Nick; -02-01-2008 at 03:27 AM.

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    Re: Steven Jackson Wants us to Pick An OL with 2nd Pick.

    Nick,

    I think you are forgetting one important variable. Jerry Jones. If Jerry Jones wants McFadden, you can take that value chart and throw it out the window.

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    Re: Steven Jackson Wants us to Pick An OL with 2nd Pick.

    isn't CARRIKER going back to DE next season. if we get CHRIS LONG how will that work.??????????

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    Re: Steven Jackson Wants us to Pick An OL with 2nd Pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by txramsfan View Post
    Nick,

    I think you are forgetting one important variable. Jerry Jones. If Jerry Jones wants McFadden, you can take that value chart and throw it out the window.
    But it's not Jerry Jones who has to worry about the value chart. It's Miami, because they'll want to get good value if they're going to move down. Jerry Jones could offer up every pick the Cowboys have in this draft and he wouldn't even have two thirds of the value for that first overall pick. Marion Barber doesn't bridge the gap either, IMO.

    It would really have to be an incredible offer that includes future picks as well, and IMO, the Cowboys are not so set on their team at every other position that they can afford to do that.

    Quote Originally Posted by rams 24/7 View Post
    isn't CARRIKER going back to DE next season. if we get CHRIS LONG how will that work.??????????
    I haven't heard this anywhere.

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    Re: Steven Jackson Wants us to Pick An OL with 2nd Pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    But it's not Jerry Jones who has to worry about the value chart. It's Miami, because they'll want to get good value if they're going to move down. Jerry Jones could offer up every pick the Cowboys have in this draft and he wouldn't even have two thirds of the value for that first overall pick. Marion Barber doesn't bridge the gap either, IMO.
    Not saying it would happen, but I think the Dolphins would be hard pressed to not take the entire Cowboys draft for the 1st overall pick. They need more and more help fast, just pointing that out.

    They are bound to pick Dorsey or C. Long most likely. If C. Long is gone, we should trade down. I have read alot about Jake Long not being quite close to the 2nd best player in the draft, and drafting Dorsey, as you pointed out, wouldn't help solve many of our problems. We have to find a way to get C. Long or a speed-rushing DE in the draft. In round 2 go O-lineman, I think we may be able to get someone almost as good as Jake Long. Round 3 go SS, etc. If C. Long is taken, there are alot of teams that would want McFadden, so we could trade down and also get something in return from that team, and draft a DE.

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