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    They weren't so tough!

    The '79 Rams, that is.

    Before you form a mob to string me up, let me explain...

    Tawn and I watched the re-airing of SB XIV last night. It was her first time seeing it, my second. She had heard of how great they were, I remembered them being almost superhuman.

    We were both wrong for the most part. Of course, Youngblood WAS Superman, playing with that broken leg and all, but seriously, other than him, I was disappointed in my memory.

    Special teams sucked...as bad, or maybe even worse, than our '08 Rams. I honestly think I could have made a 30-yard return against those guys. And the punting? Holy crap, I guess Donnie Jones IS great!

    What about those passing stats? 10 for 15 and 134 yards going into the fourth quarter? SERIOUSLY? If Bulger had numbers that low, there'd be about 10 threads begging for him to be cut! Fifty turnovers during the season? Wow.

    The first quarter, I wondered what happenned to the defense - they didn't stop anything. They almost made our D from last year look legit. Then, in the second, they did show what they were made of. OK, I'll admit - the D was good. Inconsistent, but good.

    Let's look at the season's stats, starting with the QB:

    Passing Comp Att Comp % Yds Y/Att TD Int Rating
    Pat Haden 163 290 56.2 1854 6.39 11 14 68.1
    Vince Ferragamo 53 110 48.2 778 7.07 5 10 49.0
    Ken Clark 2 2 100.0 32 16.00 0 0 118.8
    Bob Lee 11 22 50.0 243 11.05 2 1 101.1

    Since I don't have the 2008 stats available, I'll use the '07 stats:

    Passing Comp Att Comp % Yds Y/Att TD Int Rating
    Marc Bulger 221 378 58.5 2392 6.33 11 15 70.3
    Gus Frerotte 94 167 56.3 1014 6.07 7 12 58.3
    Steven Jackson 1 1 100.0 2 2.00 1 0 118.8
    Brock Berlin 17 28 60.7 153 5.46 0 1 60.6

    Looks like the '07 QB's did better.

    Now, the rushing:

    Rushing Rush Yds Avg TD
    Wendell Tyler 218 1109 5.1 9
    Cullen Bryant 177 619 3.5 5
    Lawrence McCutcheon 73 243 3.3 0
    Elvis Peacock 52 224 4.3 0
    Eddie Hill 29 114 3.9 1
    Pat Haden 16 97 6.1 10
    Preston Dennard 4 32 8.0 0
    Jeff Rutledge 5 27 5.4 0
    Jim Jodat 6 6 1.0 0
    Nolan Cromwell 1 5 5.0 1
    Willie Miller 1 4 4.0 0
    Ken Clark 1 3 3.0 0
    Vince Ferragamo 3 -2 -0.7 0
    Bob Lee 4 -5 -1.3 0
    Terry Nelson 2 -16 -8.0 0

    Total: 2460

    And the '07 Rams:

    Rushing Rush Yds Avg TD
    Steven Jackson 237 1002 4.2 5
    Brian Leonard 86 303 3.5 0
    Antonio Pittman 38 139 3.7 0
    Travis Minor 17 68 4.0 0
    Dante Hall 3 18 6.0 0
    Marc Bulger 9 13 1.4 0
    Derek Stanley 1 5 5.0 0
    Gus Frerotte 6 3 0.5 0
    Isaac Bruce 2 -4 -2.0 0
    Marques Hagans 2 -4 -2.0 0
    Brock Berlin 3 -16 -5.3 0

    Total: 1527.

    OK, the rushing game was better...much better.

    Recievers:

    1979:

    Receiving Rec Yds Avg TD
    Preston Dennard 43 766 17.8 4
    Wendell Tyler 32 308 9.6 1
    Cullen Bryant 31 227 7.3 0
    Terry Nelson 25 293 11.7 3
    Elvis Peacock 21 261 12.4 0
    Lawrence McCutcheon 19 101 5.3 0
    Ron Smith 16 300 18.8 1
    Billy Waddy 14 220 15.7 3
    Charlie Young 13 144 11.1 2
    Ron Jessie 11 169 15.4 2
    Willie Miller 8 111 13.9 1
    Drew Hill 4 94 23.5 1
    Eddie Hill 4 36 9.0 1
    George Andrews 1 2 2.0 0

    Total: 3032

    2007:

    Receiving Rec Yds Avg TD
    Torry Holt 93 1189 12.8 7
    Isaac Bruce 55 733 13.3 4
    Randy McMichael 39 429 11.0 3
    Steven Jackson 38 271 7.1 1
    Drew Bennett 33 375 11.4 3
    Brian Leonard 30 183 6.1 0
    Travis Minor 12 86 7.2 0
    Marques Hagans 8 101 12.6 0
    Dane Looker 6 38 6.3 0
    Dante Hall 5 27 5.4 0
    Dominique Byrd 4 44 11.0 0
    Antonio Pittman 3 15 5.0 0
    Joe Klopfenstein 2 37 18.5 1
    Aaron Walker 2 13 6.5 0
    Richard Owens 1 9 9.0 0
    Madison Hedgecock 1 7 7.0 0
    Travis Taylor 1 4 4.0 0

    Total: 3561

    Advantage: The 3-13 LineRams.

    Kick Returns Ret Yds Avg TD
    Eddie Brown 5 103 20.6 0
    Eddie Hill 15 305 20.3 0
    Wendell Tyler 1 16 16.0 0
    Elvis Peacock 3 46 15.3 0
    Jim Jodat 2 19 9.5 0

    Total: 489

    Kick Returns Ret Yds Avg TD
    Derek Stanley 20 509 25.5 0
    Dante Hall 29 729 25.1 0
    Brandon Williams 22 508 23.1 0
    Dane Looker 1 19 19.0 0
    Jonathan Wade 1 19 19.0 0
    Marques Hagans 7 130 18.6 0
    Travis Minor 2 24 12.0 0

    Total: 1938

    Hmmmmmmm....

    Punt Returns Ret Yds Avg TD
    Eddie Brown 56 332 5.9 0

    Punt Returns Ret Yds Avg TD
    Dante Hall 19 286 15.1 1
    Derek Stanley 1 10 10.0 0
    Brandon Williams 7 56 8.0 0
    Dane Looker 2 5 2.5 0

    Total: 298

    Not much difference.

    Punting Punts Yds Avg Blocked
    Ken Clark 93 3731 40.1 0

    Punting Punts Yds Avg Blocked
    Donnie Jones 78 3684 47.2 0

    Fewer punts, more yardage per attempt. Fewer punts? What the.....?

    Kicking PAT FG
    made att % made att %
    Frank Corral 36 39 92 13 25 52.0 75

    Kicking PAT FG
    made att % made att %
    Jeff Wilkins 25 25 100 24 32 75.0 97

    No wonder they called him "Money".

    Interceptions Int Yds Avg TD
    Nolan Cromwell 5 109 21.8 0
    Jim Youngblood 5 89 17.8 2
    Dwayne O'Steen 4 42 10.5 0
    Dave Elmendorf 3 39 13.0 0
    Eddie Brown 3 32 10.7 0
    Pat Thomas 3 5 1.7 0
    Bob Brudzinski 1 26 26.0 0
    Sidney Justin 1 13 13.0 0

    25 INT's. 12 points.

    Interceptions Int Yds Avg TD
    O. J. Atogwe 8 125 15.6 1
    Fakhir Brown 4 48 12.0 1
    Pisa Tinoisamoa 2 15 7.5 0
    Ronald Bartell 2 10 5.0 0
    Jonathan Wade 1 2 2.0 0
    Tye Hill 1 0 0.0 0

    18 INT's. 12 points.

    I won't include sacks. In '79, they didn't count them, so it would be biased to say we had more sacks in '07.

    Now...after looking at the stats - sixteen games each - it looks like Linehan's Rams weren't that bad.

    What DID change was that every team in the league has gotten better - statistically, at least - in the past 28 years. But, apples for apples, on paper - the 3-13 Rams could have beaten the Rams of '79.

    On paper...not on the field.


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    Re: They weren't so tough!

    it's a much different game now than it was back then.it is pretty hard to compare that super bowl to the 08 rams.
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    Re: They weren't so tough!

    You can't POSSIBLY compare raw numbers from one era to another- it's what inevitably always happens when one tries to compare one player or one team from today vs. thier counterparts of yesterday. Steven Jackson had 1500 yds. rushing a couple of years ago- does that mean he's better than Jim Brown? Bob Griese is a Hall-Of-Fame QB but never put up huge numbers. Does that mean John Kitna or Jake Plummer are Griese's equal? Come on, RamsFanSam, you know better than that.

    You should take one thing out of the Rams 1980 Super Bowl appearance vs. Pittsburgh: They outplayed the heavily favored Steelers for the better part of three quarters. They completely shut down Franco Harris and the Steelers running attack. They picked off Bradshaw three times and Cromwell dropped what would have been a 4th interception and an easy touchdown. They employed trickery (McCutcheon to Smith) with success. Ferragamo played very well and made only one mistake (unfortunately it came at the worst possible time).At no point did you look at that team and think the Steelers with their 7 or 8 Hall-of-Famers were head and shoulders above us. We got killed with the big play. Take away those big plays, and we win- it's as simple as that.

    Special teams were terrible, I'll give you that. And the Rams had their share of adversity during the season with the Haden-Ferragamo situation, etc. But to watch that game and not think the Rams were a worthy opponent or a good football team is crazy.

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    Re: They weren't so tough!

    Quote Originally Posted by jkramsfan View Post
    it's a much different game now than it was back then.it is pretty hard to compare that super bowl to the 08 rams.
    Which is why I said "on paper...not on the field."

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    Re: They weren't so tough!

    Besides, we were handicapped with our star QB, Pat Haden, being out with a broken hand. You remember Haden being a star, right, Sam?
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    Re: They weren't so tough!

    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaRam View Post
    Besides, we were handicapped with our star QB, Pat Haden, being out with a broken hand. You remember Haden being a star, right, Sam?

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    Re: They weren't so tough!

    "On paper" I'll take a 9-7 team over a 3-13 team any day.
    "You people point your 'f'in' finger and say theres the bad guy....what that make you....good?" Tony Montana

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    Re: They weren't so tough!

    On paper, I'll take the 9-7 team over the Rams from the last 3-4 years.

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    Re: They weren't so tough!

    Nobody said the '79 team was one of the Rams best. In fact, I remember a former Rams player (Youngblood?) stating how ironic it was that the Rams team that finally made it to the SB was probably their worst team of the '70's.

    But they were huge underdogs to the Steelers and gave them everything they could handle. A couple huge passing plays did in the Rams that day, but they hung tough.
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    Re: They weren't so tough!

    Quote Originally Posted by RamsFanSam View Post
    The '79 Rams, that is.

    Before you form a mob to string me up, let me explain...

    Tawn and I watched the re-airing of SB XIV last night. It was her first time seeing it, my second. She had heard of how great they were, I remembered them being almost superhuman.

    We were both wrong for the most part. Of course, Youngblood WAS Superman, playing with that broken leg and all, but seriously, other than him, I was disappointed in my memory.

    Special teams sucked...as bad, or maybe even worse, than our '08 Rams. I honestly think I could have made a 30-yard return against those guys. And the punting? Holy crap, I guess Donnie Jones IS great!

    What about those passing stats? 10 for 15 and 134 yards going into the fourth quarter? SERIOUSLY? If Bulger had numbers that low, there'd be about 10 threads begging for him to be cut! Fifty turnovers during the season? Wow.

    The first quarter, I wondered what happenned to the defense - they didn't stop anything. They almost made our D from last year look legit. Then, in the second, they did show what they were made of. OK, I'll admit - the D was good. Inconsistent, but good.

    Let's look at the season's stats, starting with the QB:

    Passing Comp Att Comp % Yds Y/Att TD Int Rating
    Pat Haden 163 290 56.2 1854 6.39 11 14 68.1
    Vince Ferragamo 53 110 48.2 778 7.07 5 10 49.0
    Ken Clark 2 2 100.0 32 16.00 0 0 118.8
    Bob Lee 11 22 50.0 243 11.05 2 1 101.1

    Since I don't have the 2008 stats available, I'll use the '07 stats:

    Passing Comp Att Comp % Yds Y/Att TD Int Rating
    Marc Bulger 221 378 58.5 2392 6.33 11 15 70.3
    Gus Frerotte 94 167 56.3 1014 6.07 7 12 58.3
    Steven Jackson 1 1 100.0 2 2.00 1 0 118.8
    Brock Berlin 17 28 60.7 153 5.46 0 1 60.6

    Looks like the '07 QB's did better.

    Now, the rushing:

    Rushing Rush Yds Avg TD
    Wendell Tyler 218 1109 5.1 9
    Cullen Bryant 177 619 3.5 5
    Lawrence McCutcheon 73 243 3.3 0
    Elvis Peacock 52 224 4.3 0
    Eddie Hill 29 114 3.9 1
    Pat Haden 16 97 6.1 10
    Preston Dennard 4 32 8.0 0
    Jeff Rutledge 5 27 5.4 0
    Jim Jodat 6 6 1.0 0
    Nolan Cromwell 1 5 5.0 1
    Willie Miller 1 4 4.0 0
    Ken Clark 1 3 3.0 0
    Vince Ferragamo 3 -2 -0.7 0
    Bob Lee 4 -5 -1.3 0
    Terry Nelson 2 -16 -8.0 0

    Total: 2460

    And the '07 Rams:

    Rushing Rush Yds Avg TD
    Steven Jackson 237 1002 4.2 5
    Brian Leonard 86 303 3.5 0
    Antonio Pittman 38 139 3.7 0
    Travis Minor 17 68 4.0 0
    Dante Hall 3 18 6.0 0
    Marc Bulger 9 13 1.4 0
    Derek Stanley 1 5 5.0 0
    Gus Frerotte 6 3 0.5 0
    Isaac Bruce 2 -4 -2.0 0
    Marques Hagans 2 -4 -2.0 0
    Brock Berlin 3 -16 -5.3 0

    Total: 1527.

    OK, the rushing game was better...much better.

    Recievers:

    1979:

    Receiving Rec Yds Avg TD
    Preston Dennard 43 766 17.8 4
    Wendell Tyler 32 308 9.6 1
    Cullen Bryant 31 227 7.3 0
    Terry Nelson 25 293 11.7 3
    Elvis Peacock 21 261 12.4 0
    Lawrence McCutcheon 19 101 5.3 0
    Ron Smith 16 300 18.8 1
    Billy Waddy 14 220 15.7 3
    Charlie Young 13 144 11.1 2
    Ron Jessie 11 169 15.4 2
    Willie Miller 8 111 13.9 1
    Drew Hill 4 94 23.5 1
    Eddie Hill 4 36 9.0 1
    George Andrews 1 2 2.0 0

    Total: 3032

    2007:

    Receiving Rec Yds Avg TD
    Torry Holt 93 1189 12.8 7
    Isaac Bruce 55 733 13.3 4
    Randy McMichael 39 429 11.0 3
    Steven Jackson 38 271 7.1 1
    Drew Bennett 33 375 11.4 3
    Brian Leonard 30 183 6.1 0
    Travis Minor 12 86 7.2 0
    Marques Hagans 8 101 12.6 0
    Dane Looker 6 38 6.3 0
    Dante Hall 5 27 5.4 0
    Dominique Byrd 4 44 11.0 0
    Antonio Pittman 3 15 5.0 0
    Joe Klopfenstein 2 37 18.5 1
    Aaron Walker 2 13 6.5 0
    Richard Owens 1 9 9.0 0
    Madison Hedgecock 1 7 7.0 0
    Travis Taylor 1 4 4.0 0

    Total: 3561

    Advantage: The 3-13 LineRams.

    Kick Returns Ret Yds Avg TD
    Eddie Brown 5 103 20.6 0
    Eddie Hill 15 305 20.3 0
    Wendell Tyler 1 16 16.0 0
    Elvis Peacock 3 46 15.3 0
    Jim Jodat 2 19 9.5 0

    Total: 489

    Kick Returns Ret Yds Avg TD
    Derek Stanley 20 509 25.5 0
    Dante Hall 29 729 25.1 0
    Brandon Williams 22 508 23.1 0
    Dane Looker 1 19 19.0 0
    Jonathan Wade 1 19 19.0 0
    Marques Hagans 7 130 18.6 0
    Travis Minor 2 24 12.0 0

    Total: 1938

    Hmmmmmmm....

    Punt Returns Ret Yds Avg TD
    Eddie Brown 56 332 5.9 0

    Punt Returns Ret Yds Avg TD
    Dante Hall 19 286 15.1 1
    Derek Stanley 1 10 10.0 0
    Brandon Williams 7 56 8.0 0
    Dane Looker 2 5 2.5 0

    Total: 298

    Not much difference.

    Punting Punts Yds Avg Blocked
    Ken Clark 93 3731 40.1 0

    Punting Punts Yds Avg Blocked
    Donnie Jones 78 3684 47.2 0

    Fewer punts, more yardage per attempt. Fewer punts? What the.....?

    Kicking PAT FG
    made att % made att %
    Frank Corral 36 39 92 13 25 52.0 75

    Kicking PAT FG
    made att % made att %
    Jeff Wilkins 25 25 100 24 32 75.0 97

    No wonder they called him "Money".

    Interceptions Int Yds Avg TD
    Nolan Cromwell 5 109 21.8 0
    Jim Youngblood 5 89 17.8 2
    Dwayne O'Steen 4 42 10.5 0
    Dave Elmendorf 3 39 13.0 0
    Eddie Brown 3 32 10.7 0
    Pat Thomas 3 5 1.7 0
    Bob Brudzinski 1 26 26.0 0
    Sidney Justin 1 13 13.0 0

    25 INT's. 12 points.

    Interceptions Int Yds Avg TD
    O. J. Atogwe 8 125 15.6 1
    Fakhir Brown 4 48 12.0 1
    Pisa Tinoisamoa 2 15 7.5 0
    Ronald Bartell 2 10 5.0 0
    Jonathan Wade 1 2 2.0 0
    Tye Hill 1 0 0.0 0

    18 INT's. 12 points.

    I won't include sacks. In '79, they didn't count them, so it would be biased to say we had more sacks in '07.

    Now...after looking at the stats - sixteen games each - it looks like Linehan's Rams weren't that bad.

    What DID change was that every team in the league has gotten better - statistically, at least - in the past 28 years. But, apples for apples, on paper - the 3-13 Rams could have beaten the Rams of '79.

    On paper...not on the field.
    You forgot one major stat. The WIN column, Linehans RAMS were that bad don't let a bunch of meaningless numbers let you get distracted. 3-13,2-14 those are the only numbers that matter..Right?

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    Re: They weren't so tough!

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMFANRAIDERHATER View Post
    Nobody said the '79 team was one of the Rams best. In fact, I remember a former Rams player (Youngblood?) stating how ironic it was that the Rams team that finally made it to the SB was probably their worst team of the '70's.

    But they were huge underdogs to the Steelers and gave them everything they could handle. A couple huge passing plays did in the Rams that day, but they hung tough.

    It seems to me a dropped INT did the Rams in that day. Talk about changing a game.....

    The game does not always go to the best team but often to the team which makes the most out of their opportunities?
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    Re: They weren't so tough!

    I couldn't disagree more with the OP. The '79 Rams were indeed that tough.Mentally and physically.I'm about to turn 45 and I remember that year vividly.

    Stats are just numerical facts.There are some other facts that need to be in the conversation besides the numbers.

    QB Haden got hurt early in the season. McCutcheon lost his starting spot at RB. Ferragamo, a mid-round kinda nobody- started hurling bombs the likes of which we hadn't seen in a while.Tyler emerged.Carroll had just died.Youngblood's leg.That incredible O-line.

    It was a crazy season but that team kept clawing and scratching.

    They beat the hated Vikes-they were The Enemy ,along with The Cowboys, in the way The Hags & Whiners are now. In OT, The Rams faked a FG that would have won the game & scored a TD.

    Not tough?! Couldn't ever see Limpehan making that call, never mind the team pulling it off.

    The Rams beat the Cowboys in the playoffs after getting spanked by them the previous year. Everything else was blue & gold gravy after that.

    The Rams then beat the Bucs; shut them out, if I remember correctly, after getting soundly beaten by them in the regular season.

    The '79 Rams slobberknockered one of the best all-time teams in the first half of that Superbowl & it took a great performance by Bradshaw in the 4th qtr to beat them.

    No, it wasn't a great team statistically or personnel-wise; the o-line made the RBs look better than they were,imo,the QB and WRs were streaky but the team was all the more remarkable-that whole being greater than the sum of its parts phenomenon & played with a tenacious spirit which the 2007 Rams sorely lacked.

    I first read this thread a while back but didn't post cuz it felt a little crotchety to do so; " Ah, the good ole days when we had to walk 10 feet to change the channel".

    But the remarkable performance by the Cards today reminded me of that team. In the end, they were outgunned but Spags & Co are gonna have to recreate the dogged determination of the '79 Rams to compete with the Cards team next year.

    Better players are needed but that alone won't be enough.
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