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    Turley appears likely to miss entire season

    By Jim Thomas
    Of the Post-Dispatch
    08/24/2004
    The outlook does not look promising for offensive tackle Kyle Turley playing for the Rams this season. Turley aggravated a back injury early in training camp and has not practiced since.

    "He herniated the same disc," said Turley's agent, Tom Condon. "And he's got a bulging disc above that. So that's it. It's just a matter of what do you do about it."

    Condon, who is based in Kansas City, made those comments at Arrowhead Stadium on Monday night following the Rams' 24-7 exhibition loss to the Chiefs.

    Condon said Turley has two options: treatment through epidural injection, or another operation. When he last spoke to reporters in Macomb, Ill., Turley seemed adamant about not wanting further surgery. But apparently, that option still is being considered.

    Condon said, "I think it's one of the things where the doctors will make a recommendation as to whether they think it's the best course, and we'll have to give those options some consideration, discuss it with Jay (Zygmunt) and the Rams, and see what happens."

    Even if Turley's back was fine, there's another issue to be considered. It would take him a while to get back to playing weight. He's down to about 275 pounds after playing about 30 pounds heavier last season.

    "When you're not lifting weights, and those kinds of things, your weight starts to slide anyway," Condon said.

    Condon said he has had continuing discussions with the doctor who performed the original offseason surgery on Turley, as well as specialists in Los Angeles and Alabama. Condon also has been discussing possible courses of action with Zygmunt, the Rams president of football operations, and said a resolution is near.

    "We'll have something (resolved) here in the next couple of days or so," Condon said. Zygmunt and Condon spoke again early Tuesday evening. Without being specific, Zygmunt said Tuesday: "It's hard to be optimistic about the season for Kyle."

    Following the Rams' preseason opener Aug. 12 against Chicago, coach Mike Martz said it had been decided to see how the back responded to rest and treatment over the next month before deciding a further course of action. Less than two weeks later, it appears that course has been all but decided.


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    Re: Turley appears likely to miss entire season

    This is just one of those snakebit scenarios. We gave up a second round pick this year for Turley, and it may turn out he only plays one year for the Rams.

    Doooooohhhhhh

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    Re: Turley appears likely to miss entire season

    He's done...Turley will never wear a Rams jersey again...what a waste..Where does New England find these no name O-lineman that play so well??? Why can't we get any of those???

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    Re: Turley appears likely to miss entire season

    Quote Originally Posted by txramsfan
    This is just one of those snakebit scenarios. We gave up a second round pick this year for Turley, and it may turn out he only plays one year for the Rams.

    Doooooohhhhhh
    You know, Tx, this has been a thought nagging in the back of my mind ever since we first heard about Turley's back injury. If he's done, what could we have had instead of 1 season of Turley's service. So here is a few of the players that were available between pick #60 (the spot we traded to NO) and pick #91 (Hargrove's draft spot):

    Courtney Watson ILB Notre Dame
    Kris Wilson TE Pitt.
    Keary Colbert WR USC
    Marquise Hill DE LSU
    Darnell Dockett DE Florida St.
    Nick Hardwick C Purdue
    Stuart Schweigert FS Purdue
    Randy Starks DT Maryland
    Donnell Washington DT Clemson
    Tim Anderson DT Ohio St.
    Max Starks OT Florida
    Derrick Strait CB Oklahoma
    Caleb Miller OLB Arkansas
    Stephen Peterman G LSU
    Sean Locklear G NCST
    Jeremy LeSueur CB Michigan
    Matt Ware FS UCLA
    Matt Schaub QB Virginia

    Oh, who knows, maybe Turley takes this season off and its just what his back needs to heal. Then he comes back and has an All-Pro career with the Rams......or maybe he retires now. Who knows? Well, hindsight is 20/20, you gotta roll the dice, ifs buts & coconuts, you can wish in one hand and....well, you get the idea.
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    Re: Turley appears likely to miss entire season

    so negative...

    there are no guarantees when skin and bones clashes with skin and bones... the pats have had luck (not convinced that they have been better at assessing talent)... it could all change tomorrow

    i do agree that we should change our policy to draft rather than buy a long term OL.

    btw: how long has Pace played for us... and what about Timmerman... they seem to have worked out ok

    The way i see it... potentally there is only one problem area (RT)... we could end up with a pretty solid/experienced OL otherwise.

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    Re: Turley appears likely to miss entire season

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadesofgrey
    He's done...Turley will never wear a Rams jersey again...what a waste..Where does New England find these no name O-lineman that play so well??? Why can't we get any of those???
    Its not that NE's line plays so well, its the style of offense. NE's running game was nothing to write home about last year. They were 15th in the AFC and had a 3.4 yards per carry average. The reason they were effective on offense is that they use a passing game that is primarily predicated on quick 3-step drops and short passes. This puts very little pressure on the offensive line.

    The Rams' offense, on the other hand, requires a very strong line. The Rams' passing game forces the line to hold long enough for multiple receivers to run lots of intermediate crossing patterns. Also, the Rams have underutilized the run in recent years, which causes opposing defenses to use blitz schemes like we saw Monday night.

    If you put the Patriots line in the Rams' offense I don't think it would be too successful. If you want to see an offensive line that would work in St. Louis, you'd be better served looking at the lines playing in Kansas City and Indianapolis.

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    Re: Turley appears likely to miss entire season

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam
    Its not that NE's line plays so well, its the style of offense. NE's running game was nothing to write home about last year. They were 15th in the AFC and had a 3.4 yards per carry average. The reason they were effective on offense is that they use a passing game that is primarily predicated on quick 3-step drops and short passes. This puts very little pressure on the offensive line.

    The Rams' offense, on the other hand, requires a very strong line. The Rams' passing game forces the line to hold long enough for multiple receivers to run lots of intermediate crossing patterns. Also, the Rams have underutilized the run in recent years, which causes opposing defenses to use blitz schemes like we saw Monday night.

    If you put the Patriots line in the Rams' offense I don't think it would be too successful. If you want to see an offensive line that would work in St. Louis, you'd be better served looking at the lines playing in Kansas City and Indianapolis.
    While I agree with you AR, I gotta ask. To run the Rams offense you have to have a strong line. If you DON'T have a strong line, isn't it a requirement of the staff to either A) get the pieces to make the line stronger or B) change the offensive scheme?

    I hope not, but I think it is going to be a long year. I'll still be here cheering them on, but I can see a couple more hangovers than last year...
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    Re: Turley appears likely to miss entire season

    I do think that the team needs to use a power running game more often, particularly with Jackson, to keep defenses honest.

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    Re: Turley appears likely to miss entire season

    But without a strong line, the running game would be ineffective, unless we opened it up first with the quick passes like you mentioned before...
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    Re: Turley appears likely to miss entire season

    Quote Originally Posted by thoey
    But without a strong line, the running game would be ineffective, unless we opened it up first with the quick passes like you mentioned before...
    Thoey, you're right, but Avenger said "power" running game. A speed running game requires a line that can open holes. A power game requires a RB that can open his own holes.
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    Re: Turley appears likely to miss entire season

    I think that Jackson is the type of runner that can be used to pound it out even without big holes to run through. Faulk, on the other hand, is more effective in a spread offense.


    With the right mix of the two, the line could do okay.

    Makes you realize just how good the line was in 1999-2000.

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    Re: Turley appears likely to miss entire season

    I don't think that talking players out of retirement (Dishman/Nutten) is the answer. I'm sure that Williams, King and or Tecearo will do a good job once they can all get on the same page. On the other hand, a trade may be another solution.
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