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    Turnovers Overrated to Coaches Who Understand Football

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    THE ST. LOUIS RAMS had lost the first half in Seattle, 24-7, as quarterback Marc Bulger threw two interceptions and was sacked twice. And at halftime, in bars and during gabfests all over the land, the old-timers who don't like the Rams' pass-minded coach, Mike Martz, were pounding the table and sarcastically shouting: "Keep passing, Mike. Keep passing! Keep passing!"

    That was last Sunday, and it drew a big laugh from everyone. Martz, though, didn't hear it, and anyhow he doesn't often take advice. In the last five minutes of the game, he simply kept passing to catch the Seahawks who in the fourth quarter had stepped out to a 27-10 lead and in overtime he kept passing to win, 33-27.

    Here's the point: An interception or a sack is nothing but a nuisance to a passing team along with dropped passes and other bothersome problems like offside penalties in noisy visiting stadiums where unsporting homers try to upset the visitors' offense. Turnovers are, in fact, inevitable for teams that throw numerous passes. Inevitable but not disruptive. To a passing team, a turnover merely annoys, it doesn't destroy. A passing team simply absorbs the shock of a turnover and keeps passing to overcome the turnover.

    As I've said for years, turnovers are overrated. Of all the adverse things that happen to good football teams, turnovers are the most overrated. Turnovers are a relic of the days when Martz's old critics were not yet sedentary, when, instead, they were active young men playing field-position football and trying their mightiest to make no mistakes. That was admirable, then, perhaps, although to focus heavily on the avoidance of mistakes is to miss a lot of touchdowns and a lot of fun.

    Then and now, turnovers have been disastrous to teams playing field-position football which was Chuck Noll's football in the days when Terry Bradshaw was his quarterback and the Steelers were winning Super Bowls with probably the best talent ever banded together.

    In today's game, field position is itself greatly overrated. Every NFL week, passers move their teams up and down the field at will, as, most recently, Tennessee moved Monday night. You're stuck on your own 10-yard line? No problem. Just throw the ball.





    Note to Martz Critics: He Did Try to Run

    THE RAMS made two unacceptable mistakes at Seattle. First, coach Martz demonstrated that at times, between games, he does listen to his critics, both the sarcastic ones and the sincere, all of whom tell him repeatedly that he should start running the ball. Second, perhaps trying to heed his critics in the first half at Seattle, he ran it with running backs Marshall Faulk and rookie Steven Jackson two of the NFL's best at all the wrong times.

    The case example of the wrong time to run in a pro game is first down. Defensive teams all concentrate on running plays on first down. Even if they suspect that a pass might be coming, they realize they must be ready for a running play too. They know that offensive coaches all fret that a first-down incomplete will bring up second and long, football's thorniest offensive down. As an example of the right time to run, think of any time when the defense is anticipating pass say on second and 8, maybe, or third and 10.

    Despite the likelihood that Martz knew better than to send Faulk running on first down four times at Seattle, he did just that. All four runs failed, two in the first quarter, when, consequently, Martz's offense predictably went three and out. Indeed, up to the time when Seattle led in the second quarter, 10-0, the Rams had had the ball for only six offensive plays. Because they had unrealistically hoped to run it, they were doomed, then, unless Martz remembered to get his pass offense into the game, which, just in time, he did.

    Martz, who has three of the NFL's great receivers, Isaac Bruce, Torry Holt and Marshall Faulk, along with an exceptional passer, Marc Bulger, is the NFL's brightest pass-play designer. Yet the skill to design good plays doesn't equate with the ability to call good plays. Play-design and play-calling are obviously unrelated talents. For example, it doesn't necessarily follow that a gifted play-designer understands that first down is by far football's most useful offensive down. It's the only time when the play-caller can count on calling every play in his arsenal every long pass, every short cleverly designed pass, every sneaky run from any yard line on the field against defensive players who, fearing a creative running play, are reluctant to blitz on first down.

    Sure, sometimes, a Faulk can break out for seven yards or even l5 on a first-down running play. But even then it's a wasted play. On first down, what's a good 15-yard run when, in a short 60-minute game, you can use valuable time to get off, say, a good 40-yard pass?

    Are you trying to keep your defensive players off the field? Why? They need the experience. They've proved that.


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    Re: Turnovers Overrated to Coaches Who Understand Football

    This guy is apparently not the brightest bulb on the porch. Let's look at the turnover stats for the season to date:


    Takeaways Giveaways Net
    Team G Tot Int Fum Tot Int Fum Diff
    New York (N) 5 15 8 7 4 1 3 11
    Seattle 4 13 8 5 3 2 1 10
    Detroit 4 12 4 8 3 2 1 9
    New York (A) 4 11 6 5 4 2 2 7
    Tennessee 5 10 6 4 4 2 2 6
    Arizona 5 14 4 10 8 3 5 6
    Indianapolis 5 10 6 4 6 3 3 4
    Pittsburgh 5 12 6 6 8 4 4 4
    San Diego 5 8 4 4 5 2 3 3
    New England 4 9 5 4 7 4 3 2
    Cleveland 5 10 6 4 8 4 4 2
    Kansas City 4 6 5 1 4 3 1 2
    Philadelphia 4 5 1 4 3 1 2 2
    Atlanta 5 11 4 7 9 3 6 2
    Baltimore 5 9 6 3 8 5 3 1
    Minnesota 4 4 0 4 4 1 3 0
    New Orleans 5 8 2 6 8 2 6 0
    Buffalo 4 5 3 2 6 3 3 -1
    Jacksonville 5 5 2 3 6 4 2 -1
    Chicago 4 7 4 3 8 3 5 -1
    Cincinnati 4 8 2 6 10 7 3 -2
    Tampa Bay 5 6 3 3 8 4 4 -2
    Houston 5 7 5 2 9 4 5 -2
    Carolina 4 4 3 1 7 5 2 -3
    Denver 5 3 1 2 7 4 3 -4
    Dallas 4 4 3 1 8 4 4 -4
    Washington 5 7 4 3 12 5 7 -5
    St. Louis 5 2 1 1 9 5 4 -7
    Oakland 5 5 3 2 14 9 5 -9
    Green Bay 5 5 3 2 14 8 6 -9
    San Francisco 5 3 2 1 13 5 8 -10
    Miami 5 5 4 1 16 10 6 -11


    The overall record for the teams with a plus turnover ratio is 51-27.
    Of the 17 teams with a positive turnover ratio, only 5 have a losing record.

    The overall record for teams with a negative turnover ratio is 23-48.
    Of the 15 teams with a negative turnover ratio, only 3 have a winning record.

    While the statistics show that there are definately exceptions to the rule, to make a blanket statement that turnovers are over-rated shows fundamental lack of understanding of the game.

    In and of themselves, individual turnovers can be overcome and are typically not a catastrophy, especially for teams with a strong defense or a strong offense, but a team that shows an overall tendency to turn the ball over will meet with limited success.

    This dude should find something other than sports to write about.
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    Re: Turnovers Overrated to Coaches Who Understand Football

    Yeah, turn-overs are huge...this guy is smoking something.

    But there is some validity in the running concepts. I agree in this game Martz did not call a very good game in the first half. And by not calling a good game, I mean that he didn't do much to keep the defense on their heels. If you run on first and second down, then pass on 3rd, you're playing into their hands the majority of the time. To be a great offense, you really need to design your game plan to get first downs by 2nd down, so that 3rd down is more of an additional down to make up for a missed play. Running on first down typically leads you to an eventual 3rd down play, which now means the whole drive is in jeopordy.... Teams who don't have the weapons are forced to live by the run, and try to get into 3rd and short and convert.

    I noticed Seattle's first play of the game was Hassleback rolling out of the pocket and throwing for 6 yards....you can practice your first play 20 times if you want on Thursday, so you start off with some good momentum...why run on your opening play?

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    Re: Turnovers Overrated to Coaches Who Understand Football

    Quote Originally Posted by sbramfan
    Yeah, turn-overs are huge...this guy is smoking something.
    Helll, even thru all of the smoke over here, we know of professional gamblers who can point out regression analyses correlating TOs to losses.

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    Re: Turnovers Overrated to Coaches Who Understand Football

    In one aspect turnovers are overrated. Take the Rams offense for example; our offense is going to turn the ball over. If a team throws the ball as much as the Rams its bound to happen. But if one puts too much stock in turnovers, then they might change their offense and take away their teams chance to win. Turnovers are important, but I look at turnovers in two categories: stupid mistakes, and turnover battle. A stupid mistake can be a QB throwing the ball into triple coverage or a RB not covering up the ball. These are the type of turnovers that need to be eliminated. To me the most important category is the turnover battle. If your team wins the turnover battle they stand a good chance to win no matter how many turnovers they had. Last year the Rams had a lot of turnovers but they won the turnover battle, therefore they were a top team. Yes, turnovers are important; but they can also be overrated.

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    Re: Turnovers Overrated to Coaches Who Understand Football

    Turnovers can kill a game and season and since Martz is a smart guy, I'm sure he's concerned about it.

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