View Point of someone who is obviously not a Patriot or Ram fan.

This guy trashes someone I am very fond of. Me! however he brings a new twist to it.

Posted: 25 Jun 2005 12:31 am Post subject: Your All Wrong

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What the author of this site has failed to realize is why the Pats were allowed to as he states “Play outside the lines of decency”. For what it’s worth Patriot fans have also missed the reason. After reading the documentation and watching the movies associated with some of those movies then reading most of the comments both by Patriot and rams fans it makes it official that their fandom blocks out the light of the obvious to unmatched levels of complete stupidity. First I will address the person who published this anthology of alleged favoritism.

You may think you are some kind of Columbo or Sherlock Holmes however people who saw the game that were not distracted by their bias saw the favoritism towards the pats. The difference is they knew why it happened and they were glad that it happened. HOW GLAD? The arrogance of the Rams and especially the Rams coach is what dictated the "favoritism" and if it were not the pats collecting these freebies in that game it would have been some other AFC team. This may come as a shocking revelation to you but not everyone is a ram fan and those who were not had run out of barf bags listening to all the undeserved stroking. The league was sick of hearing about “The greatest Show on Earth.” People were tired of hearing about Kurt Warner and his rags to riches story; they were tired of hearing “Only the Rams can beat the Rams”. They were tired of all the ignorance associated with the fairy tale season the Rams had in 1999 and how the Rams were still the best team in the league in 2000 even know they lost in the 1st round of the playoffs. The free pass to the playoffs from playing in a joke of a division was never mentioned in all the hype associated with those “Greatest Show” teams the Rams put on the field. So to sum it up, your right as far as what the movies show however you bias fandomship and lack of knowledge of the NFL inter circle has left you with some pretty hilarious observations of why the pats were afforded the lead way to punish your precious players. Oh and by the way, you should be glad that the ref didn’t call that intentional grounding on the last drive because that would have meant your offense would have had to score points to win and that means they would have to go back onto the field and that means there would have been more of the cheap hits. I bet the players were glad they didn’t have to go back out there.

To Patriot fans: the one thing the author said that hit the nail on the head is in his opening remarks about Patriot fans translating your two current Superbowls to the past creating a fiction that the Patriots had a better team and subliminally want to weave that into your current dynasty as earned. You could have plugged the Cardinals into that game and come out on top but you just do not want to see it that way so you don’t bother acknowledging the contributions to your cause from the officials. You fans remind me of the spoiled kid that got what he wanted when he shouldn’t have and is not gracious enough to say thanks.. You pat fans that have watched those movies and stated that it doesn’t show illegal play and referee favoritism are making you and your peers look like the guilty person stating their innocence with the smoking gun in their hand. Its hilarious to watch you pat fans and you ram fans argues this game and none of you are able to see the obvious. The author has blocked out the arrogance of the rams and the part it played in this game and you pat fans block out the fact that you were treated special for this superbowl. You all need to take off your “goggles” because other fans think you’re all a bunch of nuts. Your response to this whole thing should be “Thank You” and sorry about your luck but eventually you pay for arrogance and in this case we were the collection agency.” That and that alone should be your response because if you try to debate some of these movies here you’re only looking as stupid and arrogant as this author.

[RamsFanSam]

I'm curious. I'm wondering what team this guy is a fan of...because it almost sounds like someone the Rams might have beaten, but who also has no love lost for the Pats...Maybe Philly? Tennessee?

[maineram]

If his analogy was true then the Whiners, Cowboys Superbowl wins and arrogance surrounding those teams should have forced the league to, " step in". How about that 4th Bills Superbowl loss ?? If ever there was a time to, "step in", that should have been the time.
Don't buy it.

Maineram -

[psycho9985]

Originally Posted by maineram

If his analogy was true then the Whiners, Cowboys Superbowl wins and arrogance surrounding those teams should have forced the league to, " step in". How about that 4th Bills Superbowl loss ?? If ever there was a time to, "step in", that should have been the time.
Don't buy it.

Maineram -

Took the words right out of my mouth MaineRam maj.Dittos.

[HUbison]

It's ironic that this guy winds up agreeing with RamTime even after taking a few shots at him. When you boil away all the perimeter fluff involved, you find that the point is the Patriots were handed the Super Bowl. They didn't win it, it was given to them by the league. That is exactly what this guy is saying, though he chose to concentrate on how RamTime took the wrong approach, the two of them wind up in the same place!

I especially liked this one...

To Patriot fans: the one thing the author said that hit the nail on the head is in his opening remarks about Patriot fans translating your two current Superbowls to the past creating a fiction that the Patriots had a better team and subliminally want to weave that into your current dynasty as earned. You could have plugged the Cardinals into that game and come out on top but you just do not want to see it that way so you don’t bother acknowledging the contributions to your cause from the officials.

I've never heard that worded better. I wonder if that clown PatsRule (who honestly believes the entire football world is a collection of Patriot fans) has read this yet.

I really could care less what they think of me so long as they see what I believe I see. I never have been a master at popularity contests because its usually me with foot in mouth however this time I think I am going to be right.

[sbramfan]

Time to move on kids. The Pats got away with a lot of illegal blocking/holding of our receivers, etc.. in that game, but in the end, the Rams lost the game. Kurt made a bad decision to pass to Bruce, and got picked off. The defense was just not good enough to stop the Pats from moving down the field and kicking the winning FG. Martz perhaps could have called a better game, but these are the things that happen in a loss. It was a good, competitive, close game that came down to the last second, just as the Rams/Titans did. Many other coaches have said that Martz's scheme's use picks by the receivers that are illegal, and coaches/players are smart to push the limits of the rules and hope to get away with it. The Pats definitely got away with it in that game.

Water under the bridge.

The only way to get redemption for that game is the hope the Rams make a run at the SB this year, gain some respect, and bring back the GSOT.

[RAMMAN68]

The arrogance of the Rams and especially the Rams coach is what dictated the "favoritism" and if it were not the pats collecting these freebies in that game it would have been some other AFC team.

So, if the Faiders, who should have been there if not for the infamous tuck rule, were the AFC team, do you really think they would have been shown the same treatment?
Does he not see the fact that the entire superbowl theme was focused around 9/11?
Is it just a coinsidence that the colors for superbowl logo just happened to be the same as the Pats colors?

The league was sick of hearing about “The greatest Show on Earth.” People were tired of hearing about Kurt Warner and his rags to riches story; they were tired of hearing “Only the Rams can beat the Rams”. They were tired of all the ignorance associated with the fairy tale season the Rams had in 1999 and how the Rams were still the best team in the league in 2000 even know they lost in the 1st round of the playoffs. The free pass to the playoffs from playing in a joke of a division was never mentioned in all the hype associated with those “Greatest Show” teams the Rams put on the field

Really?
I think the stats prove that the Rams at the time were the best offence ever.

“Only the Rams can beat the Rams”.

So true!

The defense was just not good enough to stop the Pats from moving down the field and kicking the winning FG.

Oh how I hate this one. Just like when people say that the Raiders should have stopped the Patriots after the fumble reversal. It's hard enough to stop a team once in a series so why the hell should a unit be thought of as not good enough because they didn't stop a team twice in a series. The Rams Defense did stop the Patriots on that drive one time for sure and arguably twice on that drive. The raiders did stop the Patriots on that drive yet they are chastised for not doing it twice. Can you imagine the emotional swing that reversal caused in both the Raiders and the Patriots? One could say that was a huge reason the Patriots ended up winning that game. If you give an offense enough free unearned plays eventually they are going to move the ball. Eventually they are going to find a soft spot in your defense. GOOD JOB YOU CAUSED THE QUARTERBACK TO THROW THE FOOTBALL AWAY AND THE INTENTIONAL GROUNDING FLAG WILL BE COMING OUT ANY SECOND NOW. IT WILL BE COMING OUT ANY SECOND NOW. WHAT THEY DIDN'T CALL IT? GO OUT THERE AND STOP THEM AGAIN! or GREAT JOB YOU CREATED A TURNOVER WHEN WE NEEDED IT MOST. THEY ARE LOOKING AT IT AGAIN HOWEVER THERE IS NO CHANCE THAT WILL BE OVER TURNED I CAN SEE IT FROM HERE. GREAT JOB DEFENSE. Oh wait they are going to over turn it. GO OUT THERE AND STOP THEM AGAIN. Bullshat the Rams and the Raiders both stopped the patriots on the final drives and under the new version of NFL rules you must stop the Patriots offense twice on the final drive because they need the points to advance or win.

[gap]

Originally Posted by maineram

If his analogy was true then the Whiners, Cowboys Superbowl wins and arrogance surrounding those teams should have forced the league to, " step in". How about that 4th Bills Superbowl loss ?? If ever there was a time to, "step in", that should have been the time.
Don't buy it.

Maineram -

This is the point I was going to make while reading it, but it would have been directed at the Pats.

If this was done because "America was tired of the RAMS story" then why have the pats been allowed the free pass since. I can't believe we haven't had "America was tired of the Pats story" yet. I know we RAMS fans aren't the only ones tired of the Pats getting their butts smooched by any and all media outlets out there.

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[Pats and Sox]

Originally Posted by RAMMAN68

So, if the Faiders, who should have been there if not for the infamous tuck rule, were the AFC team, do you really think they would have been shown the same treatment?
Does he not see the fact that the entire superbowl theme was focused around 9/11?
Is it just a coinsidence that the colors for superbowl logo just happened to be the same as the Pats colors?

Everything was still patriotic at that point in time--it was hardly surprising for anything on the level of the SB to choose 9/11 as a backdrop. Speaking as someone who fled his office as the nearby Pentagon burned on that fateful day, I probably would have been deeply upset had the NFL not chosen to honor the fallen, the first responders, and the military.

Thus, it's silly to draw the logo/Patriots parallel. I suspect they chose that logo long before the AFCCG was decided. That noted, the Patriots' logo is red, white, blue, and silver. The logo had no silver.

[sbramfan]

The defense was just not good enough to stop the Pats from moving down the field and kicking the winning FG.

Well, perhaps not that they were "not good enough to stop them", rather simply that they didn't. It happened.

But I guess there's nothing else to discuss this offseason, so carry on.

If this was done because "America was tired of the RAMS story"

This is where I am stumped. That is, are we to wonder why the deck was stacked or leave that alone and just point out that it was stacked. Certainly proving why the deck was stacked has little to no hard evidence. Oh and don't expect anyone to use common sense either because if there is a loophole, Patriot fans will try and slip through it.

[psycho9985]

Originally Posted by RamTime

This is where I am stumped. That is, are we to wonder why the deck was stacked or leave that alone and just point out that it was stacked. Certainly proving why the deck was stacked has little to no hard evidence. Oh and don't expect anyone to use common sense either because if there is a loophole, Patriot fans will try and slip through it.

Are they saying that the deck was stacked against the Rams because the Rams are arrogant and that makes it justified?Since when does an attitude decide who wins a Superbowl,and who is to say it was the best thing for America because America was sick of the Rams.Who took a national poll that said the Rams should lose so America will be happier,giving a second rate team team to win (i.e. the Patriots) to make America feel better because of 9/11.

[psycho9985]

I've said for a long time that Tagliabue needs to go.He can take his socialist salary cap crap with him,because its corrupt.