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    Wanna Know What SUX?

    Assuming the Alex Barron trade goes through, the Rams will have a total of four players on the roster drafted between 2005 and 2007. Hats off to Victor Adeyanju, Clifton Ryan, OJ Atogwe, Ron Bartell for surviving the most tumultuous period of Rams football in recent memory. Your commemorative T-Shirt is in the mail. Seven rounds, multiple picks in many of them, and The St. Louis Rams managed so come away with four players still under contract. Three of them are solid starters. The other is a valuable backup.

    People wonder why the offense is anaemic. Rams fans pine for the heyday of 1999-2001 and will likely settle for a romp through 2006, the last time that the unit was even slightly cohesive for all sixteen games. To find anything that even slightly resembles an offensive starter you have to broaden the margins again. The 2004 draft heralded us Steven Jackson and the 2008 draft brought Donnie Avery to the spiral horns (and the jury is still out there). In five years, we've managed to draft two starters for our offense.

    Alex Barron? Gone.
    Richie Incognito? Buh-bye.
    Claude Terrell? See ya.
    Joe Klopfenstein, Dominique Byrd? You better believe it.
    Brian Leonard, Thanks for playing.

    You'll hear some posters go on and on about Marc Bulger. You'll hear how he single-handedly collapsed what was, until '06, a very good offensive unit, into a complete shambles. You'll hear that it was Marc Bulger's idea to throw the five yard hitch on every other passing play, to run it on third and ten and to never, ever attempt a pass over 20 yards in length.

    Let's talk about necessity. When you can only pull two offensive starters from five entire drafts, there's little wonder why the Rams were limited to short plays and long 3rd down conversions. There was no other choice. You'll hear from far and wide posters on this board and abroad who will happily assert that Marc Bulger killed this franchise. You want somebody to blame? Take a look at this guy:


    Here's your problem. He's responsible not only for Barron et al, but for the perennial failures we like to call Jerome Carter, Jon Wade, Jon Alston, Adam Carriker Claude Wroten and Tye Hill.

    So you want to know what SUX?



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    Re: Wanna Know What SUX?

    Yikes, really puts things in perspective. I was hopeful about the Linehan hiring, but man, I doubt we could have gotten a more disastrous head coach. Of course, bringing in players by the truckload from your former 1-15 team probably should have been a signal the Rams were on the same course.

    A monkey probably could have drafted better as well. Or throwing darts at the board. Or even....gulp.....letting the posters at Stltoday pick. That is a sad commentary onto itself

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    Re: Wanna Know What SUX?

    Might be the worst period of drafting in NFL history..and entirely why we are where we are right now. Thanks Scotty!!!!

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    Re: Wanna Know What SUX?

    i can`t blame everything on one man. or atleast certainly not on Linehan....the yellow snowball started rolling long before Linehan was hired...to stop that snowball from getting bigger and bigger was too much for any man to do alone...bad hire for sure..but others should have been fired before he got onboard for him to ever have had a chance of succeeding.

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    He stepped into a crap filled trench and then proceeded to provide his own fecal matter. Its not just Linehan, it was a number of guys responsible here folks. I'm not a either/or guy and I don't like to place all blame on a single person because that is rarely the case, and it wasn't here. You have an entire FO and a coaching staff to blame here.

    I don't know if this was the worst period of drafting ever (Oakland anyone?) but its prett frekin appalling. Patience is needed to see a consistent winner again and whether you find waiting acceptable or not, your going to have to wait most likely.

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    Re: Wanna Know What SUX?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bar-bq View Post
    Assuming the Alex Barron trade goes through, the Rams will have a total of four players on the roster drafted between 2005 and 2007. Hats off to Victor Adeyanju, Clifton Ryan, OJ Atogwe, Ron Bartell for surviving the most tumultuous period of Rams football in recent memory. Your commemorative T-Shirt is in the mail. Seven rounds, multiple picks in many of them, and The St. Louis Rams managed so come away with four players still under contract. Three of them are solid starters. The other is a valuable backup.

    People wonder why the offense is anaemic. Rams fans pine for the heyday of 1999-2001 and will likely settle for a romp through 2006, the last time that the unit was even slightly cohesive for all sixteen games. To find anything that even slightly resembles an offensive starter you have to broaden the margins again. The 2004 draft heralded us Steven Jackson and the 2008 draft brought Donnie Avery to the spiral horns (and the jury is still out there). In five years, we've managed to draft two starters for our offense.

    Alex Barron? Gone.
    Richie Incognito? Buh-bye.
    Claude Terrell? See ya.
    Joe Klopfenstein, Dominique Byrd? You better believe it.
    Brian Leonard, Thanks for playing.

    You'll hear some posters go on and on about Marc Bulger. You'll hear how he single-handedly collapsed what was, until '06, a very good offensive unit, into a complete shambles. You'll hear that it was Marc Bulger's idea to throw the five yard hitch on every other passing play, to run it on third and ten and to never, ever attempt a pass over 20 yards in length.

    Let's talk about necessity. When you can only pull two offensive starters from five entire drafts, there's little wonder why the Rams were limited to short plays and long 3rd down conversions. There was no other choice. You'll hear from far and wide posters on this board and abroad who will happily assert that Marc Bulger killed this franchise. You want somebody to blame? Take a look at this guy:


    Here's your problem. He's responsible not only for Barron et al, but for the perennial failures we like to call Jerome Carter, Jon Wade, Jon Alston, Adam Carriker Claude Wroten and Tye Hill.

    So you want to know what SUX?

    I could go back even further than Linehan and post Mike Martz's mug and his drafts since we last appeared in the Superbowl because that's where the actual downfall began if you really want to be honest about it.

    The Rams remained competetive for as long as they did because of the incumbent talent on the team, not because Martz and co. enhanced it.

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    Re: Wanna Know What SUX?

    scott linehan didn't draft Alex Barron, he was a Martz pick

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    Re: Wanna Know What SUX?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fortuninerhater View Post
    I could go back even further than Linehan and post Mike Martz's mug and his drafts since we last appeared in the Superbowl because that's where the actual downfall began if you really want to be honest about it.

    The Rams remained competetive for as long as they did because of the incumbent talent on the team, not because Martz and co. enhanced it.
    For sure.. I was just thinking.. I felt like it was starting to fall when they let London go... great move there... he wouldn't of lasted for long ...The truth is Guys we can keep thinking of 99... Like the chicago fans still do about 85... or talk about the glory days like the Lions with Barry, or the Browns and take 3 games to turn on bradford ...Or we can get behind the new wave of blue and gold and look for things to start moving up... From now on we remember number 8 is our QB, and have faith in our coach.. Who has a plan thats sound.. and look for better days ahead

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    Re: Wanna Know What SUX?

    The Rams downfall after the Super Bowl XXXIV championship can be traced to the "ousting" of Dick Vermeil. Its been down hill every since that point and time. With Vermeil, the Rams would have no doubt collected at lease 2 more Lombardi's, cementing the teams legacy as a Dynasty.
    As Dick would say, Its just a "Crying" shame!
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    Re: Wanna Know What SUX?

    You left out a few guys Linny dumped because he just didn't like them. Hedgecock comes to mind among others ..

    Oh well - that was then and this is now. It is what it is. I have far more optimism about the way we are rebuilding under current management than under the former regime. It may take a couple more years to completely restock, but then again, maybe not .. We'll find out soon enough.

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    Re: Wanna Know What SUX?

    While I agree that the Linehan era was a disaster, it was another HC that started the Rams slide.

    Mike Martz

    He took a great team and in a relatively short time turned it into the laughing stock it is today. Linehan didn't help, for sure, but the slide started long before Linehan came into the picture. He was, and still is an egotistical, self serving coach that wears out his welcome wherever he goes faster than you can say; "egotistical and self serving".

    Just wait and see what happens in Chicago with him in there.... tic...tic...tic...tic...


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    Re: Wanna Know What SUX?

    There's plenty of blame to go around. Linehan was only here for a little over two seasons. Barron, Terrell, and Cogs were picked under the Martz regime.

    You can't pin it all on Martz either, though. His record on offensive picks wasn't that bad; he had some disappointments like Barron and Canidate, but he also hit paydirt on guys like Kevin Curtis, Shaun McDonald, and of course Steven Jackson. It was really all the early round defensive busts from the Martz era that were so crippling, and frankly given Martz' lack of defensive acumen, one would assume that he probably was probably going with what his scouts and defensive coaches told him.

    That brings us back to Shaw, Zygmunt, and the late Georgia Frontiere. The front office's track record during that period pretty much speaks for itself.

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    Re: Wanna Know What SUX?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleece
    That brings us back to Shaw, Zygmunt, and the late Georgia Frontiere. The front office's track record during that period pretty much speaks for itself.
    And yet again Fleece hits the proverbial nail on the proverbial head.

    While I don't put a sin of commision on the head of Frontiere, she is responsible for a sin of omission. The sin of allowing Shaw and Zygmunt to destroy this franchise.

    You wanna blame somebody? Pin the tail on those two donkeys. The guys who actually pulled all the triggers on this franchise. You know.....the LAWYER and the ACCOUNTANT that were making FOOTBALL decisions!

    Blame Martz?
    Blame Linehan?
    Blame Vermeil?
    Blame Bulger?

    That's like blaming the chess pieces for losing the match. Blame the guy(s) moving the pieces.
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    Re: Wanna Know What SUX?

    It could be the Rams are just plain old bad, period. The 1999-2001 years aside, the Rams since 1990 have been mostly atrocious. The Warner/Faulk years are a blip on the 20 year radar screen.

    This comes down to front office and ownership. THE FO seems much better and now we are on the cusp of getting new ownership. There is hope we can finally get more consistent about being competitive. We are a few more players and an onwership away.

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    Re: Wanna Know What SUX?

    Have to agree with most of these threads on placing blame. Yet more leaning toward FO/Ownership as being the root cause. It all starts from the top.

    The whole of the Rams disorganization lead to a host of missteps. Linehan was a symptom of a greater problem. No over sight--I still can't see where he wanted to take the team--his implied mandate was to keep Offense a strong and exciting. Yet to what end did he even attempt to do that?

    Martz for all his offensive genious didnt have the leadership skills to maintain dicipline, nor keep the confidence of the team. Thread after thread outlined his short comings, and there is little need to rehash the Martz Era.

    Its interesting how quickly Vermil stepped down as HC...and interestingly quick he became HC of the Chiefs. I wonder if he realized how vunerable the Rams where to imploding again. It wasn't soon after that the the defense collapsed and the Rams had to score 30+ points to have to win a game.

    Yet regardless of what has came and went, what remained was FO/Ownership. Now that has changed and there is hope that the Rams will return to being respectable. Assuming this ownership issue gets resolved and quickly, hopefully the Rams will return to being one of the top 10 NFL teams

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