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    Re: What is Ram Talk?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    Nothing's wrong with someone expressing "just what they think," nor did I claim my opinion was superior. But like all things, it has to be kept in perspective.

    For instance, if you can't support your opinion beyond that with numbers or examples from games or actual specific events that work in your favor, don't anticipate people just suddenly agreeing with you on a whim. And don't get mad or defensive when they don't. If such information is produced that may counter your opinion, at least be open minded to that information, as we all should remain open minded to other points of view.

    The problem I see with some "passionate fans" who express just what they think without support for their opinion is that they express their opinions as if they're 100% truth, then expect everyone to agree with them. When other things - such as stats, for instance - are brought up that may counter or challenge their view, some take a stubborn stance, don't back down, or get defensive. In fact, they may start taking personal shots at those who approach things from a more logical standpoint. It happens on both sides, not just from the logical stat people.

    I recall a thread from not too long ago when someone talked about how so-and-so who drafted recently appears to be a bust. There wasn't much actual support for this opinion in the initial post, and a number of responses disagreed. The original poster later responded and seemed offended, suggesting that the responses to his thread meant he somehow wasn't allowed to be critical of said player. Again, it comes down to keeping your opinion in perspective.

    Passion is great, but without at least a little reason behind it or an open-minded willingness to view another's side, it'll only get you so far in a discussion-based community where topics are explored all week between games and year round during the offseason. For an incredibly poor comparison, how far can a relationship rely on small talk before you have to start getting into the thick of things on a deeper level?
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    Hence why I said, "Obviously they don't tell us everything." Because they don't, for very valid reasons you bring up.

    But they're a good starting point for those who want to look at them in their context to try and draw more specific conclusions.

    To write them off completely because of variables doesn't make much sense to me.
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    I like how you started this thread in part to object to the personal judgments that are made about the opinion of others, only to then call me an elitist because of my opinion on this matter. So much for being a bit more tolerant, eh?

    No where in my post did I say that anyone who screams at the TV or yells at the game are "a bunch of knee jerks lacking in depth of intelligence." Nor did I say that all we should do is talk logic and leave all the emotion and passion out of it. In fact, I specifically said that both of those traits are "important in being a fan and what brings us all together here for this team." So I'm not sure where you got that extreme mischaracterization.

    What I said was that emotion and passion, while important for all of us, are factors of those kinds of knee-jerk illogical responses we see minutes/hours after games. Again, I did not say that everyone who is emotional or passionate makes those types of responses, but rather those who do are often rooted in emotion or passion that often times is separated from logic.

    As I said, it's one thing to have emotion. As fans, we all have it. But I think it's important to make sure it's tempered by some perspective and logic. Screaming that someone should be cut after making a fumble is an emotional response that, when you calm down and look at things rationally, may not be practical or wise at all. IMO, it's important to be able to draw on both the emotion and the reason, not just one.
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    I agree that being a fan is in large part about emotion. But I would contend that regularly contributing on a discussion-based message board that functions daily throughout the year requires more than just passion and emotion.
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    You said, "Besides, who wants to be “serious” about talking about the Rams or football in general? There’s enough really serious stuff going on in the world right now."

    To me, that sounded like you didn't think talking about the Rams should be serious. If I misinterpreted that, I apologize.
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    So then I guess they should also take your advice and lighten up, be a bit more tolerant, and a lot less sensitive? Or was that only meant for us logical folk up in our superior tower looking down upon the serfs?

    On a serious note though, I understand and agree that personal shots regarding the quality of one's opinion should not be tolerated. It's something we do our best to crack down on - after all, Rule #1 at the Clan emphasizes civility - but obviously we can't see and respond to everything. That's where the member Report Post button comes in handy.

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    Re: What is Ram Talk?

    Oh yes, now I get it. Acknowledge the fact that Dez, Avenger, and Nick are usually correct in their POV = kiss a$$. Agree with Big Red Man = a good time, laid back fan that understands what it means to be a fan.

    Wow. catching slack from a crossdresser. now I've heard it all.
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    Re: What is Ram Talk?

    Quote Originally Posted by RamFan_Til_I_Die View Post
    There have been people who have been attacked and railroaded right off these boards not because they were posting idiotic drivel, but because they had a differing opinion. Quite sad really.
    I don't believe anyone's ever been banned for having a differing opinion. I know that's not what you're saying, but my point is - why should that drive them away? If they're confident enough in their own opinion (backed up by stats, detailing their logic or not) then what's the big deal if someone disagrees with you, even if it's the majority of the Clan?

    We try to keep the boards clean of personal attacks and constantly reinforce the suggestion that people attack the post and not the poster. Even if someone is or feels attacked personally, in my opinion they need to get over it.

    Maybe they shouldn't be so easily offended. Maybe they shouldn't let their ego get in the way and take things so personally. Maybe they should realize that this is an Internet Message Board and nothing that's said here by random usernames on a computer screen will (or at least, should) have an impact on their real life.

    And members shouldn't feel so insulted if it's moderators that seem to come down on them with disagreements. Mods hold no weight over anyone else when it comes to presenting an argument. We all started off as regular ClanRam members.

    Everyone has their own perspective and just because some people can't or don't bother to go in depth with their argument doesn't make them any less credible. Sometimes your own intuition is all you need. It's a sport, a game, with plenty of luck involved, and you'll never be right on everything no matter how smart you are or how much you argue every single point down to the bone.

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    Re: What is Ram Talk?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliGirlRamsFan View Post
    I would just like to say, (Don't hit me Red, you are in my house),...that Red was not kidding in the chat room when he said he was going to wear a thong to my house today.

    That said, I think he may be a bit uncomfortable at the moment.
    Red,Seriously....You actually WORE it to her house?

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    Re: What is Ram Talk?

    Quote Originally Posted by PARamfan View Post
    Red,Seriously....You actually WORE it to her house?
    Don't beat around the bush - go ahead and ask him for a photo. BRM will be flattered for the request....
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    Re: What is Ram Talk?

    Quote Originally Posted by bigredman View Post
    Is this your way of calling Roy unreasonable, illogical and not serious enough to have his opinion acknowledged as just as valid as yours without actually calling Roy unreasonable, illogical and not serious enough to have his opinion acknowledged as just as valid as yours???

    You're on a very slippery slope here Randy.

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    Re: What is Ram Talk?

    Wearing a thong all night will do that to you.
    Quote Originally Posted by r8rh8rmike View Post
    Is this your way of calling Roy unreasonable, illogical and not serious enough to have his opinion acknowledged as just as valid as yours without actually calling Roy unreasonable, illogical and not serious enough to have his opinion acknowledged as just as valid as yours???

    You're on a very slippery slope here Randy.
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    Re: What is Ram Talk?

    Let's just say..............Jerry woke to Red making Java in it. OH! Red? The filter goes in the basket, and the basket goes in the maker, not just the filter.
    Quote Originally Posted by PARamfan View Post
    Red,Seriously....You actually WORE it to her house?
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    Re: What is Ram Talk?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliGirlRamsFan View Post
    Wearing a thong all night will do that to you.
    I think he's been tying it around his noggin a little too tightly these days.

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    Re: What is Ram Talk?

    Quote Originally Posted by PARamfan View Post
    Red,Seriously....You actually WORE it to her house?
    A guy has to wear SOMETHING under his skirt, err.. KILT, yeah KILT, on these chilly winter days?

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    Re: What is Ram Talk?

    Quote Originally Posted by r8rh8rmike View Post
    I think he's been tying it around his noggin a little too tightly these days.
    The noggin on his shoulders or the one he thinks with?
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    Re: What is Ram Talk?

    Quote Originally Posted by ramsanddodgers View Post
    The noggin on his shoulders or the one he thinks with?
    And here I thought using the term noggin would avoid any unintended innuendo.

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    Re: What is Ram Talk?

    Quote Originally Posted by r8rh8rmike View Post
    And here I thought using the term noggin would avoid any unintended innuendo.
    ahh, my friend, but there is always innuendo, intended or otherwise! >8)
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    Re: What is Ram Talk?

    Quote Originally Posted by ramsanddodgers View Post
    ahh, my friend, but there is always innuendo, intended or otherwise! >8)
    Around here there is.

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    Let's all hold hands and do a big grope hug! That should settle the matter.
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