Who would you start at CB?

*Rambos* · #1 (**permalink**) -11-10-2006

Hill looked shaky at times in Green Bay. Butler we just don’t know if he is the same guy, prior to his injury.

*RedArcher7* · #2 (**permalink**) -11-10-2006

Hill will get better as the season goes on because he's a rookie. Butler has been around a bit so he won't improve as much if any.

*chipperjones* · #3 (**permalink**) -11-10-2006

It's not an option, but Bartell looked decent in his time. Better than Hill anyway, and he looks to be ahead of Butler on the depth chart.

*JerHawk81* · #4 (**permalink**) -11-10-2006

Can someone give me a detailed rundown of how Hill's doing? I followed him a bit prior to the draft and was hoping that he'd fall to us - a hope that was all-but gone around combine time.

*Alec22* · #5 (**permalink**) -12-10-2006

Hill has looked preety good. But he let up the play that brought the packers back into the game.(even though he was left with 1 on 1 coverage with only 1 saftey deep)
Butler though i think deserves to start. He also played ok agaisnt green bay, but did have the game winning FR.
And lets not forget that for about 2 years he was by far out best corner
in 2005 i think ti was he had 5 of our lousy 6 ints on the season.

my vote-butler

*JerHawk81* · #6 (**permalink**) -12-10-2006

I'll rephrase my question:

Has Hill just gotten burnt on a few plays? Has he bought on a lot of play actions? Has he just been slow to react on stop patterns? Is he missreading the zone? Etc.

**Nick** · #7 (**permalink**) -12-10-2006

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Originally Posted by JerHawk81

I'll rephrase my question:

Has Hill just gotten burnt on a few plays? Has he bought on a lot of play actions? Has he just been slow to react on stop patterns? Is he missreading the zone? Etc.

He's playing as you would expect a typical first round rookie to play. Gets burnt occasionally but demonstrates good coverage on other times. The speed is as advertised, and he'll stay with anyone in pure man. You see his speed a lot on kickoff coverages where he crosses field to catch a guy that otherwise would be in the endzone. He's certainly shown why he was selected where he was. Gets a good jump on the ball but has been inconsistent bringing it in. When the Rams go to their nickel packages, Hill takes the outside man while starting CB Fisher takes the slot man. He's displayed good tackling thus far this season but hasn't been used much on the blitz to my knowledge.

*JerHawk81* · #8 (**permalink**) -12-10-2006

Good Info, thanks Nick

**laram0** · #9 (**permalink**) -12-10-2006

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Originally Posted by Alec22

Hill has looked preety good. But he let up the play that brought the packers back into the game.(even though he was left with 1 on 1 coverage with only 1 saftey deep)
Butler though i think deserves to start. He also played ok agaisnt green bay, but did have the game winning FR.
And lets not forget that for about 2 years he was by far out best corner
in 2005 i think ti was he had 5 of our lousy 6 ints on the season.

my vote-butler

This is a very tough call. On the one hand I say let Hill start and get the experience he needs. We'll have to live with the possible mistakes and hope it doesn't cost us this big game. On the other hand Butler has been waiting for this opportunity to prove himself. He is a veteran and has experience against the Seahawks. He just might step up and have a big game. This guy wants to start or at least get back in the rotation, so we know he's hungry.

my vote- Butler

*Rambos* · #10 (**permalink**) -12-10-2006

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This is a very tough call. On the one hand I say let Hill start and get the experience he needs. We'll have to live with the possible mistakes and hope it doesn't cost us this big game. On the other hand Butler has been waiting for this opportunity to prove himself. He is a veteran and has experience against the Seahawks. He just might step up and have a big game. This guy wants to start or at least get back in the rotation, so we know he's hungry.

my vote- Butler

I agree with this, sums it up. I would continue to us Hill in the dime package and on ST. Hill is going to be a very good CB, but there is no need to rush it when we have Butler. We need to blitz as much as possible and not get lit up.

**Nick** · #11 (**permalink**) -12-10-2006

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Originally Posted by Rambos

I agree with this, sums it up. I would continue to us Hill in the dime package and on ST. Hill is going to be a very good CB, but there is no need to rush it when we have Butler. We need to blitz as much as possible and not get lit up.

If we need to do a lot of blitzing, I'm not sure Butler is the guy you want to start. He's not a very physical corner at all. The bottom line is unless Fisher or Brown find a way to play, it's going to be tough to blitz a lot this weekend without exposing young guys like Bartell and Hill (who plays in nickel as well, not just dime) and probably Atogwe.

*Rambos* · #12 (**permalink**) -12-10-2006

I hear what you are saying Nick, I would prefer the experience in this game to a more physical younger guy. Hill has shown me he has a lot of confidence and is a sure tackler. But GB went at him all day; Butler has been in these big games before.

*serkicker32* · #13 (**permalink**) -12-10-2006

I would rather see Hill as the nickel back so we don't have to rush him into the starting line-up. Butler has been a starter before and I have faith that he can still start for us.

**Nick** · #14 (**permalink**) -12-10-2006

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Originally Posted by Rambos

I hear what you are saying Nick, I would prefer the experience in this game to a more physical younger guy. Hill has shown me he has a lot of confidence and is a sure tackler. But GB went at him all day; Butler has been in these big games before.

You make it sound like people don't go at Butler, though. He's not exactly a guy who shuts down half of the field - you don't get nine interceptions and 150 tackles in two years at the cornerback position because teams aren't testing your side of the field.

Regardless of who we have in there, we're going to get tested, especially if we choose not to blitz or can't get adequate pressure from our front four like in Green Bay. Is Tye Hill's inexperience so much more of a hindrance than the lack of playing time Butler has had thus far this season? Keep in mind Butler's action against Green Bay is the first regular season action he's seen since January 2005.

*Rambos* · #15 (**permalink**) -12-10-2006

Butler, back-to-back interception leader for Rams when heathly. He's ready to play. Hill is a rook, if you where an OC who are you going to test first. It's not about how well the front four are getting pressure it's about who has done it before in a big game.

I agree Bulter is not a shut down CB, but right now I would go with him over the rook, who will at times make mistakes.