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    Why didn't the Rams see James Butler's potential back in 2005?

    James Butler went undrafted out of Georgia Tech, and then signed with the Giants as a FA. Two years later, he's a starter on a Super Bowl winning defense (leading the team in tackles that day). Now, he's a free agent, and if the Rams want him, they'll have to pay him.

    If only the Rams had seen the potential in 2005. Then again, I suppose nobody really saw his potential at that point...

    Well, almost nobody.

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam 3/25/05
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    50. St. Louis: James Butler, FS, Georgia Tech
    Rams desperately need help at safety position. Butler's strong performance at Pro Day workout (4.49 to 4.55 in 40 yard dash) and ideal size (6'1, 212) make him the choice.
    Maybe, this time, they'll listen.




    This conclude's today's "Shameless Self-Promotion Post of the Day."


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    Re: Why didn't the Rams see James Butler's potential back in 2005?

    lmao...Av you should be a sports writer...well a paid one anyway.

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    Re: Why didn't the Rams see James Butler's potential back in 2005?

    Good for you buddy. Very funny.

    (I really don't want to know but...) who'd we take instead?
    "the Heart Lies and the Head Plays Tricks with us, but the Eyes See True".

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    Re: Why didn't the Rams see James Butler's potential back in 2005?

    Uh....didn't we take Bartell?????????

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    Re: Why didn't the Rams see James Butler's potential back in 2005?

    Quote Originally Posted by ramsfan38 View Post
    Uh....didn't we take Bartell?????????
    We did indeed (some irony there).

    For those who are wondering, I had us taking Jamaal Brown in Round 1. He, of course went earlier to the Saints, leaving Alex Barron as the Rams' choice.

    We also took O.J. Atogwe in Round 3, and Jerome Carter in Round 4 (that's where we really should have taken Butler) so I was on target with the Rams taking a safety.

    It would be awesome if we ended up with all three (Bartell, Atogwe and Butler) this year.
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    Re: Why didn't the Rams see James Butler's potential back in 2005?

    Can you tell me then how he went undrafted then if you had him in round 2? makes no sense to me what so ever.

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    Re: Why didn't the Rams see James Butler's potential back in 2005?

    And why didn't anyone see Ron Bartell's potential before the season?

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    Re: Brown suspended without pay!!

    This could be a blessing in disguise. Ron Bartell has played well when he's been on the field but has never had a shot at a permanent starting job. In his rookie season he stepped into the starting lineup for a short time due to injury and by all reports was a solid performer. The following year he was moved to safety, only to return at cornerback last season where he was stuck behind a Haslett favorite and a first round pick. Although the events surrounding this new opportunity for him are unfortunate (which is often the case in the NFL - either injuries or suspensions), I believe he can step up and take over the job for good. If that's the case, we'd have a good pair of young corners who would also complement each other well for matchup purposes - Hill's speed and quickness to Bartell's size and power.
    Forgive me for going slightly off-topic, but it still fits in line with a shameless self-promotion.

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    Re: Why didn't the Rams see James Butler's potential back in 2005?

    While we are all patting ourselves on the back I thought i would mention that I used to work with this guy at the grocery store. We were stocking shelves and I was working in the peanut butter/jelly aisle. As i was stocking I noticed i was one jar of Peter Pan Peanut Butter short. I yelled, "Hey you, toss me some more peanut butter." That peanut butter hit me in stride and right at the numbers. I told him he should play football. A year later he is superbowl MVP!!

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    Re: Why didn't the Rams see James Butler's potential back in 2005?

    To answer the question of why the rams didnt see the potential in 2005?

    --look no further that Jay Zygmunt.

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    Re: Why didn't the Rams see James Butler's potential back in 2005?

    Talk about having an eye for talent!

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    Re: Why didn't the Rams see James Butler's potential back in 2005?

    Ah-hah! I see what you did there!

    *imagines life with Jamaal Brown on our line...*

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    Re: Why didn't the Rams see James Butler's potential back in 2005?

    Quote Originally Posted by GameTime View Post
    To answer the question of why the rams didnt see the potential in 2005?

    --look no further that Jay Zygmunt.

    Don't forget Mad Mike. He couldn't see potential (defensively, at least) if it bit him on the backside. Look at his record in drafts and you have your answer.

    ...and the person ultimately responsible for the three stooges; Ziggy, Shaw and Martz. ...Ms.Georgia.
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    Re: Why didn't the Rams see James Butler's potential back in 2005?

    Awe Shut up! Want to know why? Rams had No/Zero PRO scouting. Also I find it intresting to see all those that can read the past. Damion Lewis, Adam Archuleta tell me we did not fall for that! To this day I still shudder when I hear the word D line. I still want Raji out if BC though.. Someone cute please hold me now.

    Go away Avenger..

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    Re: Why didn't the Rams see James Butler's potential back in 2005?

    Sorry if I offened you. That`was not my intention. Please forgive me I am just trying to get used to this new format. I have been hanging around boards that are "post & Run". I am here for the long term like it or not<LOL>.

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    Re: Why didn't the Rams see James Butler's potential back in 2005?

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    We did indeed (some irony there).

    For those who are wondering, I had us taking Jamaal Brown in Round 1. He, of course went earlier to the Saints, leaving Alex Barron as the Rams' choice.

    We also took O.J. Atogwe in Round 3, and Jerome Carter in Round 4 (that's where we really should have taken Butler) so I was on target with the Rams taking a safety.

    It would be awesome if we ended up with all three (Bartell, Atogwe and Butler) this year.

    It would of been awesome to land all three, but i don't think Butler would of been a stud for us. It was a good thing he went to the Giants so he can learn things from a good Defensive coach steve Spagnolo. . . and its just me, but i like Jerome carter when he came out! He was pretty good, i loved watching him at Florida state, and flordia state is known for good defensive players

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