You've seen RamTime's evidence - what's your verdict?

**AvengerRam** · #1 (**permalink**) -01-07-2005

What do you think about the Rams/Patriots Super Bowl having seen RamTime's evidence?

*VegasRam* · #2 (**permalink**) -01-07-2005

The reason I found my way to this board was because of the post by ?, asking the questions and showing the video clips.

I really was blown away.

The problem to me was, I really don't want to believe that an NFL game could be "fixed", however slightly.

But after seeing those vids, sorry...just WAY too many blatantly bad or non calls, all goiing the Patriots way.

*r8rh8rmike* · #3 (**permalink**) -01-07-2005

I don't know what my vote would be here. It's hard for me to believe there was any "official" conspiracy because those types of things usually involve so many people at different levels, it's difficult to keep a lid on them without someone coming clean. But the horrible way the game was officiated and the overwelming slant in the Patriots favor, makes the possibility hard to ignore. It was either some sort of conspiracy to (at the very least) keep the game close, or the worst officiated game in SPORTS history that just by chance favored one team over another at a time when America needed a "patriotic" shot in the arm.

*RAMMAN68* · #4 (**permalink**) -01-07-2005

I think RT should write a book, then Oliver Stone can make a movie out of it.
:O

*VegasRam* · #5 (**permalink**) -01-07-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by RAMMAN68

I think RT should write a book, then Oliver Stone can make a movie out of it.
:O

LOL

Let's do it.

*gap* · #6 (**permalink**) -02-07-2005

I have been screaming conspiracy against the RAMS since tags couldn't block the move to St. Louis; so it's no doubt how I see it.

I know there isn't good game tape of it, but I saw it live, so I know what happened. Take a look at the game where the RAMS finally got that monkey off their backs. On the first kick return by the RAMS, a whiner player pushes a RAM into the path of the ball when the returner is waving everyone away. It was a BLATANT block in the back. Then the loose ball is rolling across the field, with everyone trying to secure it. There is a HUGE pile-up, and the officials are digging through the pile to see who has it. After a bit, the officials shrug and start to award the ball to the whiners. The only problem was Troy Pelsheck standing there trying to show them he has the ball. Funny how fox managed to get a camera angle that showed the officials starting to point in the whiners favor without including Troy, when he was standing right there. Maas even made some comment about how could it be the RAMS ball when the officials started to point in the whiners direction.

gap

**Nick** · #7 (**permalink**) -02-07-2005

One of the most horribly officiated games I've ever seen, but I honestly don't believe it was an organized conspiracy.

**RamsFanSam** · #8 (**permalink**) -02-07-2005

If it wasn't a conspiracy, then here we have proof of the largest group of idiots wearing black and white in history....collective IQ would be about 15.3.

As far as am concerned, the parties involved in the conspiracy should be banned from the NFL like Rose was banned from baseball. No Mercy.

*psycho9985* · #9 (**permalink**) -02-07-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by NickSeiler

One of the most horribly officiated games I've ever seen, but I honestly don't believe it was an organized conspiracy.

Patriots? 911? Teddy Kennedy U.S. Senator?not to mention John (dumb a.. Kerry)a lot of Mass. power.

hone:

**Nick** · #10 (**permalink**) -02-07-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by psycho9985

John (dumb a.. Kerry)

This isn't necessary. :tut

While I agree that there is plenty of evidence (or what we feel is evidence) that the officiating favored one side, there's absolutely no hard evidence to suggest that an organized and premeditated conspiracy took place. It may look that way, but it's nothing more than conjecture at this point, IMO.

**AvengerRam** · #11 (**permalink**) -02-07-2005

I don't think it was a conspiracy.

I do, however, think it was a horribly officiated game. I think the culprit was a trend (which continued at least until 2003) of a "let them play" attitude run wild.

*psycho9985* · #12 (**permalink**) -02-07-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by AvengerRam

I don't think it was a conspiracy.

I do, however, think it was a horribly officiated game. I think the culprit was a trend (which continued at least until 2003) of a "let them play" attitude run wild.

But why didnt it go both ways.let'em play has to work both ways.

your right it was badly officiated game,but way was it so one sided.Did the refs think they have the right to level the playing field?Ok Nick in respect for you I'll back off on the politics.

**AvengerRam** · #13 (**permalink**) -02-07-2005

It didn't go both ways because the Rams game is founded on precision, while the Patriots are adept at pushing the rules under the guise of "hard-nosed play."

*psycho9985* · #14 (**permalink**) -02-07-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by AvengerRam

It didn't go both ways because the Rams game is founded on precision, while the Patriots are adept at pushing the rules under the guise of "hard-nosed play."

Its still wrong and its still cheating,and it cant keep happening.

#15 (**permalink**) -03-07-2005

Quote:

It didn't go both ways because the Rams game is founded on precision, while the Patriots are adept at pushing the rules under the guise of "hard-nosed play."

Very good Avenger. Not one Patriot apologist has been able to come up with something this good. I don't buy it however it's the best argument I have seen. You're a pretty darn good lawyer aren't you Avenger?