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    " IF " The Cardinals make it to the Superbowl

    Kurt Warner would be a shoe in for the Hall of Fame?

    He might make it anyway without any more Superbowl appearances but play along for a second.

    Cardinals win the Superbowl.....He's in.
    Cardinals lose the Superbowl....He's in?
    Cardinals don't make it to the Superbowl.... he's in?

    Say Kurt Warner does go into the Hall of Fame.

    Who does he represent?

    Rams or Cardinals?
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    Re: " IF " The Cardinals make it to the Superbowl

    Quote Originally Posted by laram0 View Post
    Kurt Warner would be a shoe in for the Hall of Fame?

    He might make it anyway without any more Superbowl appearances but play along for a second.

    Cardinals win the Superbowl.....He's in.
    Cardinals lose the Superbowl....He's in?
    Cardinals don't make it to the Superbowl.... he's in?

    Say Kurt Warner does go into the Hall of Fame.

    Who does he represent?

    Rams or Cardinals?
    Kurt is most likely going to be around at least a few more years, so even if the Cardinals lose against Philly, he still has a chance to further his cause.

    As far as who he represents if he does make it, the NFL HOF makes no team designations like baseball does, but I'm sure he'd have plenty to say about the Rams in his acceptance speech.

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    Re: " IF " The Cardinals make it to the Superbowl

    Personally, I think even if he gets a second ring, he needs a couple more seasons of high play before he reaches "shoe-in" status.

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    Re: " IF " The Cardinals make it to the Superbowl

    He had about 4 or 5 years of non-producing seasons.....that hurts him.

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    Re: " IF " The Cardinals make it to the Superbowl

    I think he's in no doubt right now, but not a 1st ballot. I think it would take several years. I said in another thread to remember the voters used Moon's CFL stats a bit as well, so if they did, they gotta use Warner's AFL stats. More on that in the other topic.

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    Re: " IF " The Cardinals make it to the Superbowl

    Do you consider Kurt Warner Hall of Fame worthy?

    Nick polled this in 2004 on here.

    and here is a blog I found which seems to back up arguments for Kurt.

    Is Kurt Warner a Hall-of-Famer?
    Posted by Dan Brown on November 8th, 2008 at 4:01 pm | Categorized as Uncategorized

    On Monday night, the ***** will be facing the active leader in passer rating, a three-time Pro Bowler and a two-time MVP.

    Are they also facing a future Hall-of-Famer?

    Kurt Warner, the former grocery clerk, is getting close enough to see Canton’s door. The more I look at his career accomplishments, the more I think he’s on his way in.

    As with any Hall-of-Fame candidate, there are two tests:


    1. The gut test. Does it even matter what the stats say? (Think Joe Namath, Bart Starr).

    2. The statistics test. Do his numbers place him with the elite players of his era? (Think Jim Kelly, Dan Fouts, Fran Tarkenton).

    Of course, there are plenty of QBs who can ace either question – Montana, Elway and Marino come to mind – but some Hall-of-Famers can get by with just one as long as they answer affirmatively enough.

    Warner might struggle with No. 1, especially in an era dominated by names like Favre, Manning and Brady.

    But No. 2? Warner’s case is increasingly strong.

    Here are a few lists that show the company he keeps.

    MULTIPLE NFL MVPS*
    Jim Brown (3)
    Johnny Unitas (3)
    Brett Favre (3)
    Joe Montana (2)
    Steve Young (2)
    Kurt Warner (2)
    Peyton Manning (2)

    (*AP voting, which started in 1957)

    ALL-TIME PASSER RATING
    96.8 — Steve Young
    94.2 — Kurt Warner
    94.1 — Peyton Manning
    92.9 — Tom Brady
    92.3 — Joe Montana

    MOST CAREER 300-YARD GAMES
    63 — Dan Marino
    55 — Brett Favre
    51 — Dan Fouts
    49 — Warren Moon
    45 — Kurt Warner
    44 — Peyton Manning

    MOST CONSECUTIVE SEASONS LEADING LEAGUE IN PASSING YARDS
    5 – Sid Luckman
    4 – Steve Young
    3 – Kurt Warner, Bart Starr

    MOST PASSING YARDS IN A SEASON
    5,084 – Dan Marino, 1984
    4,830 – Kurt Warner, 2001
    4,806 – Tom Brady, 2007

    Not bad, right? One of those lists gets better upon closer inspection. Kurt Warner has reached 300 yards 45 times in just 101 games. That means he’s done it 44.6 percent of the time.

    So let’s reorder the list of 300-yard passers based on the rate of games played.

    300-YARD GAMES BY PERCENTAGE
    44.6 – Kurt Warner (45 times in 101 games)
    28.2 – Dan Fouts (51 times in 181 games)
    26.2 – Peyton Manning (44 times in 168 games)
    26.0 – Dan Marino (63 times in 242 games)
    23.6 – Warren Moon (49 times in 208 games)
    20.8 – Brett Favre (55 times in 265 games)

    Winning, of course, might be the No. 1 qualification for a quarterback to earn enshrinement in the Hall of Fame. Overall, Warner is 53-39 during the regular season as a starter. He is 5-2 in the postseason.

    Warner really boosted his case by winning a Super Bowl MVP trophy in 1999.

    Of the 16 other quarterbacks to be selected as the Super Bowl MVP, 11 are in the Hall of Fame or will be: Bart Starr, Joe Namath, Len Dawson, Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana, Steve Young, John Elway, Troy Aikman, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

    Four Super Bowl MVPs did not make it in: Jim Plunkett, Phil Simms, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien.

    One is too early to tell: Eli Manning.

    Warner, at age 37, is in his 11th NFL season. He might not have many more seasons left to pad his numbers. But, for kicks, I looked up the career numbers for every Hall of Fame quarterback at profootballreference.com.

    These are just the basic quarterbacks stat – touchdowns, interceptions, yards – to get a feel for where Warner stacks up. I listed the passers in reverse order of their year of enshrinement, since it’s more relevant to see how Warner compares to modern-era players than, say, Otto Graham and Bob Waterfield.

    HALL-OF-FAME QUARTERBACKS
    (And how Kurt Warner stacks up)

    QUARTERBACK / TDS / INT / YDS
    Kurt Warner / 168 / 106 / 26,439
    Troy Aikman / 165 / 141 / 32,942
    Warren Moon / 291 / 233 / 49,325
    Dan Marino / 420 / 252 / 61,361
    Steve Young / 232 / 107 / 33,124
    John Elway / 300 / 226 / 51,475
    Jim Kelly / 237 / 175 / 35,467
    Joe Montana / 273 / 139 / 40,551
    Dan Fouts / 254 / 242 / 43,040
    Bob Griese / 192 / 172 / 25,092
    Terry Bradshaw / 212 / 210 / 27,989
    Len Dawson / 239 / 183 / 28,711
    Fran Tarkenton / 342 / 266 / 47,003
    Joe Namath / 173 / 220 / 27,663
    Roger Staubach / 153 / 109 / 22,700
    Sonny Jurgensen / 255 / 189 / 32,224
    George Blanda / 236 / 277 / 26,920
    Johnny Unitas / 290 / 253 / 40,239
    Y.A. Tittle / 242 / 248 / 33,070
    Norm Van Brocklin / 173 / 178 / 23,611
    Bobby Layne / 196 / 243 / 26,768
    Otto Graham / 174 / 135 / 23,584
    Sid Luckman / 137 / 132 / 14,686
    Bob Waterfield / 97 / 128 / 11,849
    Sammy Baugh / 187 / 203 / 21,886
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    Re: " IF " The Cardinals make it to the Superbowl

    The 300 yard game percentage is just astonishing.
    If Warner had one more good year with the Cards, he should be over the 200 TDs and 30,000 passing yard mark as well. That could really push him in, plus the fact he has taken the Cardinals to the playoffs and actually won with that franchise.

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    Re: " IF " The Cardinals make it to the Superbowl

    Quote Originally Posted by txramsfan View Post
    He had about 4 or 5 years of non-producing seasons.....that hurts him.
    It also hurts him that he wasn't a starter in the NFL until age 28. I don't think his career has been long or consistent enough to warrant a Hall of Fame selection.

    I agree that he'd need another good year or two to be considered.

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    Re: " IF " The Cardinals make it to the Superbowl

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    Personally, I think even if he gets a second ring, he needs a couple more seasons of high play before he reaches "shoe-in" status.
    Agree with you - he is far consideration as of today.

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    Re: " IF " The Cardinals make it to the Superbowl

    Quote Originally Posted by txramsfan View Post
    He had about 4 or 5 years of non-producing seasons.....that hurts him.
    TX, I don't so,I think when the time comes they will look at the end results and vote on that, the voters aren't going to say well I should vote for him but you remember those couple of bad seasons in new york,they look at the bottom line and go from there in my opinion as I don't really know what the voters are thinking 5 years or more after a guy retires.

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    Re: " IF " The Cardinals make it to the Superbowl

    Quote Originally Posted by jkramsfan View Post
    TX, I don't so,I think when the time comes they will look at the end results and vote on that, the voters aren't going to say well I should vote for him but you remember those couple of bad seasons in new york,they look at the bottom line and go from there in my opinion as I don't really know what the voters are thinking 5 years or more after a guy retires.

    Actually, I am quoting a voter. Sorry jk....wish it wasn't true but that's exactly what the voter said.

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    Re: " IF " The Cardinals make it to the Superbowl

    Quote Originally Posted by txramsfan View Post
    Actually, I am quoting a voter. Sorry jk....wish it wasn't true but that's exactly what the voter said.
    well then I apologize TX, I think alot rides on this Super Bowl and then maybe some of these voters will change there minds.

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    Re: " IF " The Cardinals make it to the Superbowl

    If Moon's CFL was considered, then Warner is a shoe-in. When his AFL and NFLE time is figured in, he has done nothing but win. Until he injured his hand (bad mark for not admitting it), he was a winner at every level he played. I believe the bad seasons were more a product of the hand injury and limited supporting players than it was his ability.

    gap

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