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    Jay Cutler's new seven-year contract with the Chicago Bears

    Couple of things this really helps the value of our second pick if we trade back. The other is his deal seems to justify Bradford's current contract.

    Cutler's seven-year deal will guarantee $54 million of the $126 million in it, according to NFL.com's Ian Rapoport.

    Jay Cutler's new seven-year contract with the Chicago Bears will reportedly average $18 million per season over the first three years, according to Alex Marvez of Fox Sports.
    Just wanted to point out that Sam's contract is now looking more and more like the going rate.

    Romo signed recently:

    NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reported Friday that the Cowboys and Romo agreed to a six-year, $108 million contract extension with $55 million in guarantees and a $25 million signing bonus, according to the quarterback's agent, RJ Gonser.
    Between the two of these guys they have won how many playoff games? I think they both have one win in the playoffs.

    Sam was out playing both of them before he got hurt this year. My point is lets stop with Sam being over paid when his numbers are right in line with young QB that have not benefited from being on winning teams. There is a reason why these guys got locked up long term they can play at a high level despite not having the benefit of being on a loaded team.


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    Re: Jay Cutler's new seven-year contract with the Chicago Bears

    Jay Cutler:
    8 years experience
    23,937 passing yards
    155 TD's - 112 Ints
    84.6 passer rating
    1 Pro Bowl

    Tony Romo:
    11 years experience (8 starting)
    29,565 passing yards
    208 TD's - 101 Ints
    95.8 career passer rating
    3 Pro Bowls

    Sam Badford:
    4 years experience
    11,065 passing yards
    59 TD's - 38 Ints
    79.3 career passer rating
    0 Pro Bowls

    Hmmm one of these players does't seem to fit . Anyways it's not Sam's fault he's overpaid, thats just the way the draft system was set up. And even if Sam was on their level, just because other teams overpay their players doesn't mean the Rams should too.

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    Re: Jay Cutler's new seven-year contract with the Chicago Bears

    Quote Originally Posted by Rambos View Post
    Just wanted to point out that Sam's contract is now looking more and more like the going rate.
    Right now, it is. Unfortunately, Sam's contract was inked four years ago and is undeniably massive for a player who, at the time of its signing, had not played one down of professional football.

    Sam's contract is not his fault and it's not something to hold against him, as that's simply how things were before a rookie wage scale. But to try and suggest that Bradford's contract isn't that bad because QBs are getting those kinds of deals now, nearly half a decade later, is a pretty big stretch IMO.

    What I'm interested in is what kind of guaranteed money Sam will get in his next contract. He's already signed a deal with $50 million guaranteed. Will his agent be seeking a big increase on that figure, or will he stay in the same range since that appears to be the market value based on the Romo and Cutler deals?

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    Re: Jay Cutler's new seven-year contract with the Chicago Bears

    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie25 View Post
    Jay Cutler:
    8 years experience
    23,937 passing yards
    155 TD's - 112 Ints
    84.6 passer rating
    1 Pro Bowl

    Tony Romo:
    11 years experience (8 starting)
    29,565 passing yards
    208 TD's - 101 Ints
    95.8 career passer rating
    3 Pro Bowls

    Sam Badford:
    4 years experience
    11,065 passing yards
    59 TD's - 38 Ints
    79.3 career passer rating
    0 Pro Bowls

    Hmmm one of these players does't seem to fit . Anyways it's not Sam's fault he's overpaid, thats just the way the draft system was set up. And even if Sam was on their level, just because other teams overpay their players doesn't mean the Rams should too.
    Romo has played twice as long double Sam's numbers and he right there in yardages but nit in INTs.

    Triple his his games played and he passes Romo in yardage and throw around the same amount of INTs that Jay did in eight years.

    Pro Bowls really? Come on is that really what you want to add to create separation? How about playoff in the 18 years between these guys just two. Look around at what QB that can play cost and that's the rate now it is what it is. That or draft rookie and hope.

    Nick, I did not say he was never over paid.
    Just wanted to point out that Sam's contract is now looking more and more like the going rate.
    I said when you look at what he cost today and what teams have to pay a similar QB he's being paid the going rate. No stretch just a fact. As far as the next deal, Bradford before he got hurt was the one that said no to an extension, why because he knows once the Rams put players around him his numbers will be right there with the other 100 million plus dollar QB. If he did not get hurt this year he would have shown that. Now would he have lead this team to the playoffs probably not. Guaranteed money is a good indicator of what the Rams really think of his future in the NFL. But the reality is not what the Rams will give him, it's what the market will bear and that's 50 million. If Bradford comes back and plays well with the talent he has now he will easily put up numbers that will pay him what Romo and Cutler got regardless of making the playoffs. Teams will be more then willing to pay any QB that has his skill sets we see that every year.

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    Re: Jay Cutler's new seven-year contract with the Chicago Bears

    Quote Originally Posted by Rambos View Post
    I said when you look at what he cost today and what teams have to pay a similar QB he's being paid the going rate.
    Right, but the issue is that it's taken four years to get to the part of the contract where one could even begin to claim this, and it's just in time for an extension in the next year or two where more money will be shelled out.

    I really think defending Sam's contract is a losing battle. It's not his fault, and it's silly for anyone to hold it against him as a player. But there's no way to defend any of these pre-wage scale agreements. They were bloated and ridiculous, that's that. I'm happy the sport has moved on from them.

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    Re: Jay Cutler's new seven-year contract with the Chicago Bears

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    I really think defending Sam's contract is a losing battle. It's not his fault, and it's silly for anyone to hold it against him as a player. But there's no way to defend any of these pre-wage scale agreements. They were bloated and ridiculous, that's that. I'm happy the sport has moved on from them.
    I agree. The money is out the door along with the old system. It shouldn't affect future negotiations. Hopefully, Sam will recognize that, as well, because based on production to date, he would still probably be asked to take a moderate pay cut. Even if his numbers this year compared favorably to Romo and Cutler before he went down, he doesn't have the sustained level of production as yet and has missed 15 games due to injury over the last 4 seasons.

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    Re: Jay Cutler's new seven-year contract with the Chicago Bears

    IMO Sam will never be too far away from criticism due to his contract, draft position and no winning record. We can (Rams fans) understand the dynamics for the lack of winning record and some Ram fans do not look at his draft position or contract as something to hold Sam to but I would say they are the minority. Best elixir for Sam is to WIN.

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    Re: Jay Cutler's new seven-year contract with the Chicago Bears

    Romo's stats says he is a good QB, but some factor of either the worst NFL luck or just isn't up for the big games. Certainly he isn't worth the $$$ he is being paid. First get rid of Jerry Jones (not going to happen) and hire a football GM, but more importantly the Cowboys have to put pieces around Romo where the whole game doesn't have to come down to him.

    Cutler has flashes of brilliance as QB punctuated with pure stupidity. He is in some ways a mini-Romo and again requires the Bears to put a lot of pieces around him where clutch games don't have to sit oh his shoulders. For both the Cowboys/Bears that can get expensive and difficult to acquire.

    Bradford--now that the Rams are getting offensive talent at skill positions and hopefully solidify the o-line, lets see if indeed the Rams have a sweet deal or a bust

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