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    Problems in the NFC West

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    Jackson boycotting Seahawks voluntary minicamp over apparent contract dispute

    José Miguel Romero reports in today’s Seattle Times Seattle Seahawks receiver Darell Jackson is skipping voluntary minicamp due to a contract dispute.

    Jackson maintains that the Seahawks have not honored a promise by former team president Bob Whitsitt. What Whitsitt promised to Jackson is unclear at this time.

    Jackson signed a 25 million contract last offseason. Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren said Monday that he is hopeful that Jackson will report to voluntary minicamp prior to its conclusion on June 16th.

    For the complete article, go to: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...96_hawk08.html
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    ***** embarrassed by more sex, lies, videotape

    SAN FRANCISCO - The in-house video featuring racist jokes, lesbian soft-porn and topless blondes that embarrassed the San Francisco ***** last week wasn't the first offensive video the team's disgraced public relations director made.

    The team acknowledged Tuesday that a video made in 2003 by Kirk Reynolds contained "objectionable content showing bikini-clad women."

    A copy of the video, obtained by San Francisco television station KRON, shows Reynolds in a strip club, a restroom stall, and in the shower. The video shows a lap dancer burying the head of a *****' staffer in her bosom.

    "The video is offensive in every manner," team lawyer Ed Goines said in a statement. "We deeply regret that anyone from our organization would produce such senseless, inexcusable material. Policies have been put into place to ensure that nothing like this happens in the future. The individuals responsible for the video are no longer employed by the team."

    Reynolds was unavailable for comment late Tuesday night. He said last week that the 2004 video was a "terrible mistake" and apologized "to anybody who was offended."

    The 2003 tape did not include any racist or homophobic jokes or include any scenes from Mayor Gavin Newsom's office like last year's edition did.

    The release of the 2004 video to the San Francisco Chronicle last week caused outrage by the mayor, the city's gay leaders and the team's owners.

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    Re: Problems in the NFC West

    Nick dont forget this one....


    [QUOTE=NickSeiler]After a drunken birthday in 1998, NFL star Leonard Little crashed into and killed another motorist. When tested, his blood alcohol level measured 0.19 percent. Little received 60 days and 1000 hours of community service. Six years later, after the involuntary manslaughter conviction was wiped from his record, Little was again arrested for drunk driving.

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    Re: Problems in the NFC West

    also nick, you took that whole part in the article out of context, and you also made up your own headline. D-Jack has NEVER been to a voluntary camp. He is upset because he is not getting his bonus but it has nothing to do with why he's not in VOLUNTARY camp.

    It also said later in the paragraph which you didnt quote him saying that he will be ready for training camp and will uphold everything in his contract.

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    Re: Problems in the NFC West

    Quote Originally Posted by DanS761
    also nick, you took that whole part in the article out of context, and you also made up your own headline.
    What I took was copied and pasted directly from TheRedZone.org - I personally did not take anything out of context or make up my own headlines. If you have a problem with how they presented their information, talk to them. As for the Little thing, I was referring to recent problems, since both of these items were posted recently on the news site I referenced. Little's trial no longer falls under this category, so I don't see a point in your bringing it up here...?

    Furthermore, if you look at what I posted, it was a now day old piece of news referencing a specific article, and if you think the information about Jackson was taken out of context, then talk to José Miguel Romero. Here's what he wrote about Jackson in the article being cited by the Red Zone:

    Where's D-Jack?

    Seahawks wide receiver Darrell Jackson's absence from minicamp is even more glaring in light of the release of Koren Robinson, since the two were starters at flanker and split end for much of last season.

    Jackson is not in camp because he says the team has not honored what seems to be a financial promise made by former team president Bob Whitsitt. Both sides are calling it a matter of principle but are trying to resolve the issue.

    After talking to Jackson, Holmgren said Monday he remains hopeful that Jackson will report before this voluntary minicamp ends June 16, but that doesn't seem likely.

    One of Jackson's agents, Brian Mooney, said the receiver will arrive for training camp on time next month, ready to work. The agent also said Jackson will honor any public-appearance clauses that are written into the six-year, $25 million contract Jackson signed last offseason.

    Hasselbeck wondered aloud when asked what it was like not having offensive starters in camp.

    "I guess I really just don't understand where someone could be coming from when they don't want to be here," Hasselbeck said. "It's not that hard. It's actually fun. ... I wouldn't say frustration. I just totally have no idea of that mentality.

    "It escapes me completely, but hey, it's OK, we're still a team, and you have to do the best you can."
    Having read the information presented in the article being referenced, I see nothing about what you're talking about, nor do I see what was taken out of context from this article. If you're referencing a different article - as in not the one accessable through the link in the original post - then that's another matter altogether.
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    Re: Problems in the NFC West

    Well maybe you should change your headline to the thread saying "problems in the NFC West THIS YEAR" i could have brought up turley also, but lots team has some kind of distraction, yes nick...even the rams! I can say Turley was whinning to martz but i'm not. Jackson wouldnt have gone to camp even if nothing in his contract was wrong. That times reporter has no clue and if you were to read more articles on it you would think differently maybe. you are a rams fan so theres usually no compromise

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    Re: Problems in the NFC West

    Quote Originally Posted by DanS761
    Well maybe you should change your headline to the thread saying "problems in the NFC West THIS YEAR"
    I posted this thread yesterday. The news speaks for itself, as both items deal with recent events. I think we can both see you're grasping at straws here by suggesting the title should have referenced the fact that this news is from this year, so I'm just going to drop this part of the debate.


    Quote Originally Posted by DanS761
    i could have brought up turley also
    Actually, that wouldn't have made much sense either. Turley is no longer a problem for the Rams, since he's been released. The only problem related to Turley is the accelerated cap hit caused by releasing him. But the problems Turley created, like Little's problems, are now old news.

    I don't know what kind of policies are in place at the Seahawk sites you visit, but here at the Clan, we try not to post old outdated news. Nor do we need to include the phrase "THIS YEAR" in thread titles to clue in our members that this news is recent.


    Quote Originally Posted by DanS761
    if you were to read more articles on it you would think differently maybe.
    Perhaps, but I read what articles I find when I have the time to look on general NFL news sites. And this is what I found.

    Again, if you have a problem with the news that is covered by the site I visit and think they're not doing an adequate job reporting on your team, talk to them. If you'd like to produce articles that contest what was said in this one or provide more detailed information, you're more than welcome to do so. We'd love more information on this topic from reputable published journalists.

    But the "no compromise" excuse is pretty weak, man. I post the news I see that I think Ram fans would be interested in reading. If you think the reporter or news agency did a poor job in representing the situation, post alternate sources to support it.

    However, I'd think if Jackson's absense at the voluntary camp was as insignificant as you suggest, then neither Matt Hasselbeck nor Mike Holmgren would be on-record stating their disappointment in his absense.

    Apparently KFFL.com has no clue what they're doing either, since they're running with this story as well...

    Seahawks | Holmgren Disappointed by Jackson’s Absence - from www.KFFL.com
    Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:34:12 -0700

    Clare Farnsworth, of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, reports Seattle Seahawks head coach Mike Holmgren was disappointed WR Darrell Jackson has decided to skip the team's voluntary minicamp this week. "I'm disappointed he's not here," Holmgren said. "He and I have talked about his reasons for not being here, a lot. With Darrell, in his mind, it's a matter of principle." Jackson's absence stems from a promise made to him by former club president Bob Whitsitt that was not kept, and both sides are working to rectify the situation.
    Interesting.
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    Re: Problems in the NFC West

    yes everyone including me is upset he's not in camp. But my point is its not because of his contract.

    I was also adding in my opinion another "problem" in the nfc west. Sorry for associating negativity towards a ram. I know people on this site think the rams are a great team and are perfect angels. Anyways its to dam late and i'm not gonna argue. DJack should be in camp, but his "problem" hasnt done anything to his play. He just needs to hold on to the ball and he'll be fine. Thats Djacks only problem.

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    Re: Problems in the NFC West

    Quote Originally Posted by DanS761
    But my point is its not because of his contract.
    If you can provide another article that shows that, I'd love to see it, as I'm sure other members would.

    However, KFFL seems to confirm what the original information said - Jackson is upset that the organization has not honored a promise by former team president Bob Whitsitt, and thus is not in camp. I'm still waiting to hear what was taken out of context.


    Quote Originally Posted by DanS761
    Sorry for associating negativity towards a ram. I know people on this site think the rams are a great team and are perfect angels.
    Quite a misrepresentation. I would think someone who so easily accused me of taking things out of context and making things up would be a lot more careful in making sure they knew the mindset and opinion of those on this board regarding that situation before making such vastly inaccurate claims.

    But again, maybe things work differently here than they do on some Seahawk boards.
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    Re: Problems in the NFC West

    Sorry for associating negativity towards a ram. I know people on this site think the rams are a great team and are perfect angels.
    I guess when logical debate and sound arguments don't get you where you want to be, there's always gross misrepresentations and grossly inaccurate generalizations.
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    Re: Problems in the NFC West

    Who The Hell Is Jackson Anyway,all This For A Second Rate Receiver.

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    Re: Problems in the NFC West

    If we're gonna fight, lets take to the field turf.:mask:
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    Re: Problems in the NFC West

    lesbian soft-porn and topless blondes that embarrassed the San Francisco *****
    ...and just who decided that lesbian soft-porn and topless blondes are embarassing?
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    Re: Problems in the NFC West

    Leonard Little was found totally INNOCENT!!! Get it threw your head!!!

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    Re: Problems in the NFC West

    Quote Originally Posted by Yodude
    ...and just who decided that lesbian soft-porn and topless blondes are embarassing?
    Ya' know guys, I'm fairly old and fairly conservative, (although Bush is slowly turnig me more liberal, but that's another story...

    but I finally saw clips from that video a few weeks ago, and I gotta' say that most of what was on that video was more stupid than offensive, unless, of course one subscribes to all that PC crap.

    Just thought I'd get that off my chest. :drunk:

    Nick - as far as Dano-boy goes, anyone bringing up Little yet AGAIN is simply not worth responding to, but thank you. :mask:
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