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Thread: Racism NFL
-09-18-2007 #31Kane Guest
Re: Racism NFL
Don't think this is racism at all, but there is certainly something of an inconsistancy.
In my opinion what Vick did was a disgrace. Yes he did apologise for it, but only after previously denying it and when the eveidence against him became undeniable. He has brought the NFL in to disrepute and I would be delighted if he never plays in the NFL again.
The Bellickeck story is still in its infancy, but I struggle to see how a FINE ( and loss of the odd draft pick) is sufficient punishment for blatant cheating. I do wonder how much of this soft treatment is because it's Bellicheck and because its the Patriots...
-09-19-2007 #32moklerman Guest
Re: Racism NFL
While I, by no means, support the Patriots or Bellichick I think that the fine wasn't blatantly disproportionate to what else the commissioner has done. All teams try to steal signs and doing it isn't against the rules of the NFL. Using modern technology is taking it to the next level and frowned upon but the motivation itself isn't.
Also, in terms of how much BB was fined, the amount was the maximum allowed under the current CBA. I can't really fault Goodell there either. I do think that a suspension was warranted but I also feel that Goodell has done too well so far to split hairs in this case. The whole situation is, I'm pretty sure, unprecidented so how much is enough?
As far as stealing signs in general, I'm undecided about how unscrupulous it is. If your team is that dependent on the signs coming in from the sideline then I think that is a weakness that should be guarded more securely. Change the calls every week or send them in by player or whatever. It is a huge advantage to have the other team's alignment but if it isn't forbidden by the league, who's responsibility is it to keep those signals safe? I gotta say, if Martz or Vermeil had been doing this sort of thing during the GSOT days that I wouldn't feel nearly as outraged and I think a lot of Rams fans would be quietly tipping their proverbial hat to them for doing everything they could to win.
Lastly, and it's hardly worth discussing in this case, I don't think racism is a motivator here or in any other decision that Goodell has made. I don't know if there is an actual term but false persecution seems evident to me. There has been, and always will be, racism. I think in today's USA that there is more being done to combat it than anywhere else. In fact, I would say there is a noticable amount of reverse-racism and reverse-discrimination. Speaking of specifics, if there isn't a double standard then why hasn't Donovan McNabb been fired for his accusatory racial comments? Why isn't there an outcry of support for racial equality at the RB or WR or K positions? Why aren't blacks upset that Mexican's, Chinese, Indian or other minority groups aren't represented more in the NFL? Is a race that feels persecuted by another ever going to hold hands and sing kum-by-yah together?
Bellichik wasn't suspended so Roger Goodell must hate black people. Gimme a break.
Re: Racism in the NFL
-09-19-2007 #34moklerman Guest
Re: Racism NFLBelichick knew this, then tried to play stupid. No excuse, he cheated in a major way and should have been suspended.
This post by BigGame blasts any claim of racism with regard to NFL punishment out of the water with no if's, and's or but's:
I agree with doing what you can to win but I also feel that you have to pay the piper when you're caught with your pants down. The best solution I've heard(wish I could claim it) is to put the Pat's on probation. How long, I don't know but prevent them going to the playoffs regardless of record until they're off suspension. I think that would nip the problem in the bud. Completely and absolutely.
Re: Racism NFL
-09-19-2007 #36moklerman Guest
Re: Racism NFL
I don't know first hand but I've heard on various interviews that the Pat's aren't the only team doing it. Regardless of the penalties they've received or may still yet receive, it's enough for me to know that their legacy is tainted. No matter what they do from now on, all of their success will have, at the very least, a mental asterisk next to it.
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