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    Reports: Players, owners make significant progress

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    The NFL players and owners made significant progress Thursday, and multiple reports indicate a tentative agreement on a new collective bargaining agreement could happen shortly.

    ESPN reported Thursday that a major hurdle was cleared in the ongoing NFL labor discussions. The Washington Post reported that it was such a major achievement, that a new CBA could be reached Friday, although some sources tell the Post it might take a few more days.

    Although full details still need to be worked, the NFL players and owners have agreed in principle to a new rookie wage scale, according to a report from ESPN. ESPN cited sources from both sides in its report.

    According to multiple reports, players and owners had differed on fifth-year compensation for rookies.

    Owners originally proposed a fixed amount for fifth-year options, which was roughly $4 million, according to ESPN. But as talks progressed, the owners moved toward the players’ proposal. Citing sources, ESPN reports the owners offered to pay those players in the top 10 salaries at their position, should the team pick up a fifth-year option.

    The players, in turn, made concessions on rules preventing renegotiations by drafted players until after their fourth year, according to the NFL Network.



    (AP Photo) NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith, right, arrives for labor talks in New York, Friday, July 15, 2011.

    Significant progress on a major sticking point in the NFL labor impasse -- soaring rookie salaries -- during marathon talks Thursday raised hopes that a tentative agreement in principle could perhaps come within 24 hours, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.

    The NFL Network reports that the owners’ concessions sparked a breakthrough. The network also cited a source who estimated that if a rookie wage scale is completely agreed upon Thursday, there is a “50-50 chance” the sides could have a deal worked out by Tuesday’s scheduled mediation.

    Labor talks went past 10 p.m. Thursday, and the sides were expected to resume meeting Friday at 9 a.m. "Both sides are intent on working through each issue line by line to get this deal done," a source told ESPN.

    Also according to ESPN, the sides reached a tentative agreement on the 2011 salary cap to be set at $120 million. That's about $3 million less than the 2009 cap; 2010 was an uncapped season.

    Because so many teams would be over the cap, the sides are discussing giving each team a one-player salary cap exemption, according to multiple reports.

    With the rookie scale issue apparently cleared up, the next big hurdle to clear is where the money for The Legacy Fund, which benefits retired players, comes from, according to multiple reports, as well as whether or not teams will have the right of first refusal for some players in free agency.




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    Re: Reports: Players, owners make significant progress

    UPDATE:
    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Schefter via Twitter
    First-round picks now will sign 4-yr deals, with options for a 5th-, that will decrease their money 40-50% from last yr. Vets get $ instead.
    2 hours ago via web
    This is great news, now unproven rookies can get paid in their place. They should dub it "The JaMarcus Russell Rule".
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    Re: Reports: Players, owners make significant progress

    Quote Originally Posted by fliptalianstallion View Post
    UPDATE:


    This is great news, now unproven rookies can get paid in their place. They should dub it "The JaMarcus Russell Rule".
    I'm not following you. It says that the savings from the rookie contracts will go to the vets. Please elaborate.

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    I read on the ESPN scrawl last night that the players receiving the average of top 10 salary at their respective positions after the 5th yr. option is activated only applies to those who were drafted in the top 10. This sounds wrong; does anybody know how the 5th year option works? Does the top 10 money apply to ANY and ALL players whose 5th yr option was picked up?

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    Re: Reports: Players, owners make significant progress

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMarkable View Post
    I read on the ESPN scrawl last night that the players receiving the average of top 10 salary at their respective positions after the 5th yr. option is activated only applies to those who were drafted in the top 10. This sounds wrong; does anybody know how the 5th year option works? Does the top 10 money apply to ANY and ALL players whose 5th yr option was picked up?

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    From Breer's blog on NFLdotcom:

    The most significant breakthrough of the week came Thursday, when the parties closed in on an agreement on the rookie compensation system.
    While the institution of a rookie compensation system is a concession in itself, the players' side gave a little more in allowing some rules preventing the renegotiation of draft picks' deals until after three years. The owners' concessions came on the price tag for the fifth-year option for first-round picks, which the players want paid at the top of the market.



    According to sources, it was agreed that the fifth-year option for rookie contracts would pay top-10 picks the average salary of the top 10 players at their position. For picks 11 through 32, the amount would be the average of salary Nos. 3 to 25 at a given position. All figures will be taken from the third year of rookie contracts, meaning that for top-10 picks, their fifth-year option amount would be equal to the transition tag number from the previous year.

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    Re: Reports: Players, owners make significant progress

    Quote Originally Posted by Azul e Oro View Post
    From Breer's blog on NFLdotcom:

    The most significant breakthrough of the week came Thursday, when the parties closed in on an agreement on the rookie compensation system.
    While the institution of a rookie compensation system is a concession in itself, the players' side gave a little more in allowing some rules preventing the renegotiation of draft picks' deals until after three years. The owners' concessions came on the price tag for the fifth-year option for first-round picks, which the players want paid at the top of the market.



    According to sources, it was agreed that the fifth-year option for rookie contracts would pay top-10 picks the average salary of the top 10 players at their position. For picks 11 through 32, the amount would be the average of salary Nos. 3 to 25 at a given position. All figures will be taken from the third year of rookie contracts, meaning that for top-10 picks, their fifth-year option amount would be equal to the transition tag number from the previous year.
    Gracias, Azul. That clears it up...well...sorta!

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    Re: Reports: Players, owners make significant progress

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMarkable View Post
    Gracias, Azul. That clears it up...well...sorta!
    De nada. Yeah, I'm still unclear on why third year averages, rather than fourth, would be used to establish the rate for guys going into their fifth. Maybe it's a typo or maybe because the new rules would allow for renegotiation after the third year while guys were still under contract for the fourth so they have to have the same measuring stick if teams decide to "re-up' players either before or after that fourth year.

    It does sound,imo, like a good solution in general, though. I wonder if they'll have to establish a salary floor as well as a cap to ensure that the money saved up front on top rookies does get reinvested in vets.

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    Re: Reports: Players, owners make significant progress

    Quote Originally Posted by Azul e Oro View Post
    It does sound,imo, like a good solution in general, though. I wonder if they'll have to establish a salary floor as well as a cap to ensure that the money saved up front on top rookies does get reinvested in vets.
    Probably already baked in the cake so to speak. The way these two parties trust each other it is best to have as many contingencies covered as possible. Heh!! Couldn't you see a Mike Brown or Ralph Wilson ..ahem.."manipulating" the rookie wage scale in an attempt to pay a top ten pick say, maybe, somewhere in the vicinity of 3rd round money.

    What is frosting me right now is the report that the players want to recoup approximately $120 million in alleged losses from last years uncapped season. Say what!! Do you think for one minute that the players would be willing to refund the owners should they have lost 120 large? Didn't think so.

    With all of the positive momentum going right now, let us just hope that this does NOT become a deal breaker.

    WAHT SAY YE?

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    Re: Reports: Players, owners make significant progress

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMarkable View Post
    Probably already baked in the cake so to speak. The way these two parties trust each other it is best to have as many contingencies covered as possible. Heh!! Couldn't you see a Mike Brown or Ralph Wilson ..ahem.."manipulating" the rookie wage scale in an attempt to pay a top ten pick say, maybe, somewhere in the vicinity of 3rd round money.

    What is frosting me right now is the report that the players want to recoup approximately $120 million in alleged losses from last years uncapped season. Say what!! Do you think for one minute that the players would be willing to refund the owners should they have lost 120 large? Didn't think so.

    With all of the positive momentum going right now, let us just hope that this does NOT become a deal breaker.

    WAHT SAY YE?
    Quite honestly, I'm suffering from outrage-fatigue & my doctor insists I steer clear of the greedy machinations except stuff like a rookie scale where I can see the direct correlation to The Rams becoming & remaining a perennial contender & never again being hamstrung by these bloated 1st round deals.

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