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    Tiki Barber the next Marshall Faulk?

    Giants Turn To Barber
    June 16, 2004
    By JOHN ALTAVILLA, Courant Staff Writer

    EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Although he says he's not envious of how the Rams use running back Marshall Faulk, Tiki Barber admits he has visualized himself in the role that has made Faulk a star.

    "I have tried to emulate the type of player he is," Barber said. "He's a combination of speed and agility, a player who is able to make defenders miss in the open field as both a running back and receiver. I've tried to fashion myself that way over the last three years, and to a varying degree I've been able to do that."

    It appears Barber will get his chance to mimic Faulk in the new Giants offense Tom Coughlin is installing. But it's just a coincidence former Rams quarterback Kurt Warner will be running it when the season starts Sept. 12 in Philadelphia.

    "I'm excited about it," Barber said. "My role is changing for the better, for myself and the team. During the last couple of years I've been an every down back, whether I was running it on third or fourth down or taking a swing pass. Now this year it'll be more geared to making me an open field player, which is all right with me. It's come full circle for me, but it's shaping up as being a comfortable situation, one that's great for the offense and, as a tangent, great for Ron Dayne [who will get more carries]."

    The Giants coaches have said Barber was at a disadvantage by being asked to carry between the tackles. He led the team with 278 carries while former coach Jim Fassel benched Dayne all season for skipping the voluntary preseason workout program. The new coaches are also convinced Barber's running style was largely responsible for nine fumbles (six lost), more than one quarter of the team's NFC-leading 35. So while Coughlin will give Barber a chance to excel, he will also expect Barber to take better care of the ball.

    "He is following instructions about carrying the ball high and tight and keeping the ball from sliding to the side and giving defenders an opportunity to strip it when it's hanging at his side," Coughlin said. "We noticed he appeared very vulnerable to being stripped when he carried it. We're trying to institute that particular style and he's trying to get comfortable. It's certainly something he has to concentrate on. I've been trying to get the defense to take some swings at the ball, even when he's walking back to the huddle with it."

    Shockey Uncertain

    Jeremy Shockey did not practice but was back with the team Tuesday after missing a flight Monday from Houston, where he attended a wedding over the weekend. The tight end and the team were no closer to deciding the next course of action for his sore right foot while additional medical opinions are collected.

    Coughlin said Monday that doctors had found "hot spots" in bone scans of the foot. Hot spots are considered areas of vulnerability that could develop into fractures or breaks if not cared for. Shockey sustained a stress fracture to the foot last season.

    Joseph Mending

    Defensive tackle William Joseph, the first-round pick in 2003, is recovering from surgery for a torn pectoral muscle sustained while lifting weights during voluntary off-season workouts. He is a probable starter since Keith Hamilton retired and Cornelius Griffin signed with the Redskins.

    "He's made good progress," Coughlin said. "He's out of the sling and you can see his arm move when he's running. But surgery like this takes time to heal. He'll be ready at some point in training camp."

    Without Joseph, the Giants will take a longer look at the six free agent tackles they signed, most notably Martin Chase, Fred Robbins and Norman Hand, a solid run defender who is trying to lose weight. The Giants wanted him at 336 pounds before camp and he is now 334.

    "I'm getting older [31] and want to see my kids grow up," said Hand, who wants to lose much more weight before training camp begins July 29.


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    Re: Tiki Barber the next Marshall Faulk?

    Barber's constant fumbling, especially at key points in the game, makes him look more like trung candidate than marshall faulk to me. Good back, but not in the same hemisphere as faulk. I think rhonde barber is better at cb than tiki is at rb.

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    Re: Tiki Barber the next Marshall Faulk?

    Quote Originally Posted by general counsel
    I think rhonde barber is better at cb than tiki is at rb.
    I would agree with that in a split second. There's no question, IMO.

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    Re: Tiki Barber the next Marshall Faulk?

    Quote Originally Posted by JOHN ALTAVILLA, Courant Staff Writer
    Shockey Uncertain

    Jeremy Shockey did not practice but was back with the team Tuesday after missing a flight Monday from Houston, where he attended a wedding over the weekend. The tight end and the team were no closer to deciding the next course of action for his sore right foot while additional medical opinions are collected.

    Coughlin said Monday that doctors had found "hot spots" in bone scans of the foot. Hot spots are considered areas of vulnerability that could develop into fractures or breaks if not cared for. Shockey sustained a stress fracture to the foot last season.
    Is something wrong with the Giants field? Sehorn and Shockey both with feet problems. Or is that just normal wear and tear?
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    Re: Tiki Barber the next Marshall Faulk?

    Tiki Barber the next Marshall Faulk?
    Get outta here!

    He better learn to hold on to the rock first!!

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    Re: Tiki Barber the next Marshall Faulk?

    If not for Marshall being here and if he were to retire.I would take Tiki Barber in a New York second! He's a very good back! Alot of great backs have fumbled in their tenures! tiki has made our defense look neglected at times. and no i'm not a Giants fan! just a football fan who recognizes talent when i see it!....Backs that fumble are usually trying to carry their team on their shoulders. look at his O-line in the past! hasn't been that good IMPO!

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    Re: Tiki Barber the next Marshall Faulk?

    If I were Marshall, I'd be embarrased that Tiki thinks he's like Marshall. The guy is a fumbling MACHINE!
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    Re: Tiki Barber the next Marshall Faulk?

    How long has tiki been playing? isnt that like saying penny hardaway is the next jordan? he isnt the next anything he is established in the nfl and cant hold a candle to what marshall has accomplished. nuff said.

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    Re: Tiki Barber the next Marshall Faulk?

    To answer the question...

    No.

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    Re: Tiki Barber the next Marshall Faulk?

    Quote Originally Posted by talkstoangels61
    If not for Marshall being here and if he were to retire.I would take Tiki Barber in a New York second!
    Based on that statement, it sounds as if you're saying if we didn't have Marshall, you'd take Tiki if you had your pick of NFL backs. Is that true? Tiki probably wouldn't even make my top five.

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    Re: Tiki Barber the next Marshall Faulk?

    Hmm, let's see here...Faulk carries the ball like it's his baby. Tiki carries the ball like his hands are ping-pong paddles.

    It'll take more than Warner behind center to make Barber look like Faulk. I don't even think Tiki is the best Barber in the NFL.
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    Re: Tiki Barber the next Marshall Faulk?

    Frankly, if you want to look for the "next" Marshall Faulk, I'd look at Priest Holmes, Deuce McCallister or LaDanian Tomlinson before I'd look at Tiki.

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    Re: Tiki Barber the next Marshall Faulk?

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam
    Frankly, if you want to look for the "next" Marshall Faulk, I'd look at Priest Holmes, Deuce McCallister or LaDanian Tomlinson before I'd look at Tiki.
    One of these guys may be the next Faulk (I think LT has the best chance), but IMO the Faulk after-next is already on our roster, SJ. Speculation on my part...absolutely. But what would the off-season be w/o a little speculation and a pinch of optimism?
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    Re: Tiki Barber the next Marshall Faulk?

    Throw Stephen Alexander in there also.

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    Re: Tiki Barber the next Marshall Faulk?

    Quote Originally Posted by txramsfan
    Throw Stephen Alexander in there also.
    Tx, I'm assuming you mean Shawn Alexander.
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