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    Re: Warner signs with Arizona

    Agent Mark Bartelstein probably spoke out of turn as both players are represented by the same agency.
    Bartelstein probably got called into the boss' office for this little gaffe.

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    You heard it here first: Warner makes Cards a threat

    March 8, 2005
    By Pete Prisco
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    It's almost too unreal to write, but here goes: Watch out for the Arizona Cardinals in 2005.

    There are good things happening in the Valley of the Sun. The Cardinals are building a new stadium. There will be a Super Bowl there in three years. The team even has a new logo, a fiercer looking bird on their helmet.

    But the best thing about this offseason so far is Kurt Warner.


    Despite demoting him in New York, Tom Coughlin praised Kurt Warner's leadership. (Getty Images)
    Arizona now has a legit quarterback.

    No more hearing coach Dennis Green pump up Josh McCown as if he was the next coming of Tom Brady, while letting Philip Rivers and Ben Roethlisberger go by on draft day in some of the worst moves made by a franchise that has made many terrible ones.

    Green spent all of the early part of 2004 -- his first months on the job -- telling anyone and everyone, including doubters inside his own building, that McCown would be fine as his quarterback, even though he was greener than the Incredible Hulk.

    Green then benched McCown last season for Shaun King, who has journeyman stamped across his helmet.

    Give Green and vice president of football operations Rod Graves credit for realizing after the season that McCown would not take this offense where it needed to go.

    Warner can. No, he will.

    The Cardinals signed Warner to a one-year deal Sunday that will pay him $4 million, including a $2 million signing bonus. Warner tuned down offers from both the Bears and Lions -- reportedly for more years and more money -- to take a chance in Arizona. He wants to start, which he'll do for the Cardinals, although Green says the competition is open (wink, wink).

    In Detroit, Warner would have competed with Joey Harrington and in Chicago the Bears have Rex Grossman, but while the Cardinals are giving lip service to the competition talk in Arizona, it's Warner's job to lose.

    The skeptics will say Warner is done, that his two-time NFL MVP skills have eroded. They will say he holds the ball too long, that he takes too many shots that have made him flinch at the sign of pressure.

    They'll say he failed with the New York Giants last year -- even though he was 5-4 as a starter playing behind a line that was awful -- and that Eli Manning had to take his job, not because it was a move for the future but a move for the now. They'll point out he hasn't started a full season, either because of injuries or coaching decisions, since 2001.

    But those skeptics will be proven wrong.

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    Kurt Warner can still play at a high level.

    Giants coach Tom Coughlin believes that, too. He said as much at the league's scouting combine two weeks ago. He had nothing but high praise for Warner, especially the way Warner handled his demotion.

    "Probably the most supportive individual on the sidelines of our team and our young quarterback was Kurt Warner," Coughlin said. "As a quarterback he has great leadership skills, he's very courageous. He has outstanding timing. His delivery and his timing are outstanding."

    Is he as good as it was when he won league MVP honors in 1999 and 2001? Not quite. But at 33 -- he will be 34 this summer -- Warner still has plenty of good passing yards in that right arm.

    This isn't Boomer Esiason coming to the Cardinals. Or Jeff Blake, who was more concerned about Jeff Blake than winning games.

    Warner has the pedigree, yes, but he has more than that. He understands the passing game.

    What's more, this is a perfect fit.

    The Cardinals have a new offensive coordinator in Keith Rowen, who they hired away from the Chiefs. Rowen is schooled in the Dick Vermeil/Mike Martz offense, which Warner ran when he won his two MVPs and a Super Bowl.

    Warner was at his best when he was making quick throws to a fleet group of receivers in St. Louis. His best years came when he had the trio of Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce and Az-Zahir Hakim.

    The Cardinals have a similar group of receivers in Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald and Bryant Johnson.

    What they don't have is Marshall Faulk, who was special in those Rams offenses with Warner. They can get that type of back, though, in the first round of the draft, perhaps Ronnie Brown or Cadillac Williams from Auburn.

    Those two runners will be immediate 1,000-yard players as rookies, maybe more. Throw them behind an improved offensive line -- it's as good as what Warner had with the Rams -- and this offense will score points. Plus, Green's offenses usually do.

    On defense, there are good, young, fast players all over the place. The Cardinals signed Seattle defensive end Chike Okeafor on Monday, and will pair him with Pro Bowl end Bert Berry to give them a speedy pair of rush players.

    Inside, Darnell Dockett is on his way to being one of the NFL's best tackles, while linebacker Karlos Dansby was a big-time player as a rookie and safety Adrian Wilson is one of the most underrated players in the game today.

    So the Cardinals will have a fast, speedy defense to go with what looks to be an explosive, high-powered offense.

    That means it's all on Warner.

    The feeling here is that he will look more like the two-time MVP Warner than the guy who was savagely beat up the past three years because of woeful offensive line play.

    The Cardinals are on the move. Watch out for them in 2005.

    Can it be?

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    Re: Warner signs with Arizona

    More than anything, KW will have Boldin and Fitzgerald - the prototypes of tomorrow's receivers.

    They will go up and over the puny CBs of the league and get the stray "overthrown" pass. I am excited for KW.

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    Re: Warner signs with Arizona

    Am I the only one who heard a laugh track in the background while reading Prisco's article?

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    Re: Warner signs with Arizona

    Dang AV, it really bothers you a lot when someone gives props to KW, doesn't it? You can't wait to throw in a smart ass comment regarding Warner. I've never understood that, but of course, to each his own. He has earned his respect and he's not giving up. More power to him unless he's playing us, that's all there is to it!!!!

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    Re: Warner signs with Arizona

    Am I the only one who heard a laugh track in the background while reading Prisco's article?
    AV: the resident expert on hearing canned laughter in his head (then only laughter associated with his "jokes" in most cases!)

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    Re: Warner signs with Arizona

    He will be and he probably would still be our starter but that just opened a can of festering worm ****! :tongue:
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    Re: Warner signs with Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by RammieGirl
    Dang AV, it really bothers you a lot when someone gives props to KW, doesn't it? You can't wait to throw in a smart ass comment regarding Warner. I've never understood that, but of course, to each his own. He has earned his respect and he's not giving up. More power to him unless he's playing us, that's all there is to it!!!!
    Did you read the article?

    The part I found laughable is the part about Arizona being a threat. Warner will do okay (much as he did for the Giants this year), but Arizona still has a mediocre O line and highly suspect defense.

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    Re: Warner signs with Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by moklerman
    AV: the resident expert on hearing canned laughter in his head (then only laughter associated with his "jokes" in most cases!)
    Hey Mok, shouldn't you have your Neil Lomax avatar and Jim Hart sig pic up by now?

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    Re: Warner signs with Arizona

    I'm as big a Warner fan as the next guy, but when Prisco makes statements like...
    Warner can. No, he will.
    ...well, that's just a pretty big pill to swallow. I mean we're talking about a QB who hasn't led an offense in 3 seasons (the opinions for that reason vary, but the fact remains) and a team that has had exactly one winning season since 1985. And now Prisco wants us to believe that this team WILL turn it around this year. The Cards are better, but I think Prisco loses a little credibility when he makes such bold a statement. Warner is better than McCown, but he still has to prove it on the field. Maybe they need to at least have a practice first before we give them the Lombardi there Pete.
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    Re: Warner signs with Arizona

    Arizona still has a mediocre O line and highly suspect defense.
    A suspect O-line, yes. But their defense had their best season in several years. Hmm, I wonder what was different about their defense last season as compared to the past few years? Hmm, I wonder.
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    Re: Warner signs with Arizona

    What's funny is you need to take off the Blinders and see what the cards have done! They are putting together a team that not only gave us trouble last year, but now can probably beat us 2 times! Mediocore o-line? That line is alot better than the line Warner had last year by far!The only reason Warner got bumped in N.Y. was they thought Manning would have won the job outright before the season started. I didn't want to see him in our Division, But here he is! And He has some top rate receivers! Yeah, Cards will be a give me!We need one hell of a draft!
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    Re: You heard it here first: Warner makes Cards a threat

    Here's how I read the article:

    Quote Originally Posted by sbramfan
    March 8, 2005
    By Pete Prisco
    SportsLine.com Senior Writer


    It's almost too unreal to write, but here goes: Watch out for the Arizona Cardinals in 2005. <Loud laughter>

    There are good things happening in the Valley of the Sun. The Cardinals are building a new stadium. There will be a Super Bowl there in three years. The team even has a new logo, a fiercer looking bird on their helmet. <Mild chuckle>

    But the best thing about this offseason so far is Kurt Warner.

    Despite demoting him in New York, Tom Coughlin praised Kurt Warner's leadership. Arizona now has a legit quarterback.

    No more hearing coach Dennis Green pump up Josh McCown as if he was the next coming of Tom Brady, <Laughter> while letting Philip Rivers and Ben Roethlisberger go by on draft day in some of the worst moves made by a franchise that has made many terrible ones.

    Green spent all of the early part of 2004 -- his first months on the job -- telling anyone and everyone, including doubters inside his own building, that McCown would be fine as his quarterback, even though he was greener than the Incredible Hulk. <Mild chuckle>

    Green then benched McCown last season for Shaun King, who has journeyman stamped across his helmet. <Mild chuckle>

    Give Green and vice president of football operations Rod Graves credit for realizing after the season that McCown would not take this offense where it needed to go.

    Warner can. No, he will. <Surprised laughter>

    The Cardinals signed Warner to a one-year deal Sunday that will pay him $4 million, including a $2 million signing bonus. Warner tuned down offers from both the Bears and Lions -- reportedly for more years and more money -- to take a chance in Arizona. He wants to start, which he'll do for the Cardinals, although Green says the competition is open (wink, wink).

    In Detroit, Warner would have competed with Joey Harrington and in Chicago the Bears have Rex Grossman, but while the Cardinals are giving lip service to the competition talk in Arizona, it's Warner's job to lose.

    The skeptics will say Warner is done, that his two-time NFL MVP skills have eroded. They will say he holds the ball too long, that he takes too many shots that have made him flinch at the sign of pressure.

    They'll say he failed with the New York Giants last year -- even though he was 5-4 as a starter playing behind a line that was awful -- and that Eli Manning had to take his job, not because it was a move for the future but a move for the now. They'll point out he hasn't started a full season, either because of injuries or coaching decisions, since 2001.

    But those skeptics will be proven wrong. <Mild chuckle>

    Kurt Warner can still play at a high level. <Mild chuckle>

    Giants coach Tom Coughlin believes that, too. He said as much at the league's scouting combine two weeks ago. He had nothing but high praise for Warner, especially the way Warner handled his demotion. <Ironic laughter>

    "Probably the most supportive individual on the sidelines of our team and our young quarterback was Kurt Warner," Coughlin said. "As a quarterback he has great leadership skills, he's very courageous. He has outstanding timing. His delivery and his timing are outstanding."

    Is he as good as it was when he won league MVP honors in 1999 and 2001? Not quite. But at 33 -- he will be 34 this summer -- Warner still has plenty of good passing yards in that right arm.

    This isn't Boomer Esiason coming to the Cardinals. Or Jeff Blake, who was more concerned about Jeff Blake than winning games.

    Warner has the pedigree, yes, but he has more than that. He understands the passing game.

    What's more, this is a perfect fit.

    The Cardinals have a new offensive coordinator in Keith Rowen, who they hired away from the Chiefs. Rowen is schooled in the Dick Vermeil/Mike Martz offense, which Warner ran when he won his two MVPs and a Super Bowl.

    Warner was at his best when he was making quick throws to a fleet group of receivers in St. Louis. His best years came when he had the trio of Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce and Az-Zahir Hakim.

    The Cardinals have a similar group of receivers in Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald and Bryant Johnson. <Mild chuckle>

    What they don't have is Marshall Faulk, who was special in those Rams offenses with Warner. They can get that type of back, though, in the first round of the draft, perhaps Ronnie Brown or Cadillac Williams from Auburn.

    Those two runners will be immediate 1,000-yard players as rookies, maybe more. Throw them behind an improved offensive line -- it's as good as what Warner had with the Rams -- <Uproarious laughter> and this offense will score points. Plus, Green's offenses usually do.

    On defense, there are good, young, fast players all over the place. The Cardinals signed Seattle defensive end Chike Okeafor on Monday, and will pair him with Pro Bowl end Bert Berry to give them a speedy pair of rush players.

    Inside, Darnell Dockett is on his way to being one of the NFL's best tackles, while linebacker Karlos Dansby was a big-time player as a rookie and safety Adrian Wilson is one of the most underrated players in the game today. <Mild chuckle>

    So the Cardinals will have a fast, speedy defense to go with what looks to be an explosive, high-powered offense. <Laughter>

    That means it's all on Warner.

    The feeling here is that he will look more like the two-time MVP Warner <Laughter> than the guy who was savagely beat up the past three years because of woeful offensive line play.

    The Cardinals are on the move. Watch out for them in 2005. <Uproarious laughter>

    Can it be?

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    Re: Warner signs with Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by theodus69
    What's funny is you need to take off the Blinders and see what the cards have done! They are putting together a team that not only gave us trouble last year, but now can probably beat us 2 times! Mediocore o-line? That line is alot better than the line Warner had last year by far!The only reason Warner got bumped in N.Y. was they thought Manning would have won the job outright before the season started. I didn't want to see him in our Division, But here he is! And He has some top rate receivers! Yeah, Cards will be a give me!We need one hell of a draft!
    And what have they done? They are progressing, no doubt about it. They've made some good moves in the off-season: Warner, Okeafor, Oliver Ross, all good moves. However, they also have to replace losing Duane Starks and they're not that deep at corner. But bottom line is, this team went 6-10 last year and I don't think their improvements are worth more than 3 games. I think they'll get their 2nd winning season in 20 years, but at about 9-7. This team will not be the new version of the '99 Rams. They're definitely going to be on the rise, but Prisco really went overboard with his article.

    They're getting better, but as of yet they haven't proved a thing.
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    Re: Warner signs with Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by theodus69
    What's funny is you need to take off the Blinders and see what the cards have done! They are putting together a team that not only gave us trouble last year, but now can probably beat us 2 times! Mediocore o-line? That line is alot better than the line Warner had last year by far!The only reason Warner got bumped in N.Y. was they thought Manning would have won the job outright before the season started. I didn't want to see him in our Division, But here he is! And He has some top rate receivers! Yeah, Cards will be a give me!We need one hell of a draft!
    The Cards beat the Rams when Chandler and Martin were playing QB. Big accomplishment.

    As for their O line, they averaged 3.5 yards per carry (compared the Rams' 4.3) and allowed sacks on 11.5% of passing plays (compared to the Rams' 9.9%).

    Finally, what's the big deal about their WRs. Boldin is a very good player, but neither Fitzgerald nor Johnson has done anything that special so far. The potential may be there, but potential does not always pan out.

    I think the Cardinals will be improved and probably will be in the 7-9 to 9-7 range.

    I'd like to think the Rams will be better than that.

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