All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:11 PM.
Home Contact us FAQ

ClanRam
2008 Schedule
Regular Season
9/7 Eagles - Noon
9/14 Giants - Noon
9/21 Seahawks - 3:05pm
9/28 Bills - 3:05pm
10/5
BYE
 
10/12 Redskins - Noon
10/19 Cowboys - Noon
10/26 Patriots - Noon
11/10 Cardinals - Noon
11/10 Jets - Noon
11/16 Whiners - 3:05pm
11/23 Bears - Noon
11/30 Dolphins - Noon
12/7 Cardinals - 3:15pm
12/14 Seahawks - Noon
12/21 Whiners - Noon
12/28 Falcons - Noon
All times Central
Score in italics: Overtime
bash08

Go Back   The ClanRam Forums > THE 2007 SEASON > NFL TALK

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old -09-08-2004
Nick's Avatar
Nick
Status: Online
Superbowl MVP
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Morgantown, WV
Age: 25
Posts: 11,671
Rep Power: 37
Nick has a reputation beyond reputeNick has a reputation beyond reputeNick has a reputation beyond reputeNick has a reputation beyond reputeNick has a reputation beyond reputeNick has a reputation beyond reputeNick has a reputation beyond reputeNick has a reputation beyond reputeNick has a reputation beyond reputeNick has a reputation beyond reputeNick has a reputation beyond repute
Warner wows his receivers

Warner wows his receivers
Accurate with passes

BY RALPH VACCHIANO
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

ALBANY - When the ball comes out of Kurt Warner's hand, more often than not it wobbles. It's not a bad throw by any measure of an NFL quarterback, and it's obviously worked for him in the past.

It just seems to pale in comparison to the perfect spiral rookie Eli Manning throws time after time.

But the beauty of Warner's arm and his wobbly passes are in the eyes of his receivers. And so far Warner's new teammates on the Giants love what they see.

"It doesn't matter what his passes look like because the stat sheet doesn't show the aesthetics of a pass," said running back Tiki Barber. "He's smart. He knows how to throw the ball where it needs to be."

That's what Warner always did best in St. Louis, where he threw for 14,447 yards and 102 touchdowns in a mostly remarkable six seasons. And by all accounts that's what he's done in his first week of training camp with the Giants as well. Warner has an uncanny knack for being accurate in both his decisions and where he places the football. And even though he's still in the early stages of learning the Giants' new offense, there's been no evidence that he's lost his touch.

"Kurt is a great anticipator," receiver Ike Hilliard said. "He's seeing the offenses and defenses and routes and schemes to where he can see it open up. It's almost like second nature. Regardless of how the ball looks, as long as it gets to us it's OK. He doesn't have to throw a dart all the time because he's anticipating a second or two ahead. That's all that matters."

Warner has always been good at anticipating where a play is going. He may have had great receivers in St. Louis in Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt, but the Rams' offense wouldn't have been The Greatest Show on Turf if Warner hadn't been able to constantly hit them on the run.

In fact, no one has ever done that better. Warner's career completion rate of 66.1% is the highest of anyone who's ever thrown 1,500 NFL passes. For four straight years in St. Louis - 1999-2002 - his percentage never dipped below 65.1. And even last year, when the Giants beat him up in the season opener and forced him to play through a concussion, he still completed 62.9% of his throws for 365 yards.

And yet, Warner believes this year he could be even better.

"I'm smarter," Warner said. "I see the field better. I make better decisions than I did before. Through the years, I just feel every year I've gotten better from a mental standpoint. I've been able to slow the game down and I'm able to react to things better than I ever did before."

That, of course, is what the Giants are counting on, and it's exactly why they signed Warner in June. The strong-armed, 23-year-old Manning is the unquestioned future of the Giants. But they needed an intelligent veteran to show him what being an NFL quarterback is all about.

And that, as the Giants are beginning to learn, is Warner's biggest attribute. It's less about his arm strength and the beauty of his throws than making the right choices and giving his receivers a chance to do their jobs.

And once Warner gets comfortable with his new teammates and new offense, that's exactly what he expects to do.

"I'm still not where I want to be," Warner said. "But I can feel myself getting more comfortable every day. I can feel the game starting to slow down a little bit. It's getting back to the way that I normally play the game. That's exciting to me."
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old -09-08-2004
HUbison's Avatar
HUbison
Status: Online
Superbowl MVP
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Missouri
Age: 34
Posts: 8,696
Rep Power: 35
HUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Warner wows his receivers

Quote:
he threw for 14,447 yards and 102 touchdowns in a mostly remarkable six seasons.
Let's not dilute the 99-01 seasons, Mr. Vacchiano. Warner hit 90% of those yards and all but 4 of those TDs in 3 seasons.
Quote:
The strong-armed, 23-year-old Manning is the unquestioned future of the Giants. But they needed an intelligent veteran to show him what being an NFL quarterback is all about.
Man, I hope this kid knows what an opportunity the Giants have made for him.
__________________
"The greatest evil is conceived and ordered in clean offices, by men with white collars. Hence, my symbol for Hell is the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern." --- C. S. Lewis

"Dr. Lewis, allow me to introduce to you, Mr Shaw & Jay Zygmunt.....oh, I see you've already met." HUbison
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old -10-08-2004
Reborn's Avatar
Reborn
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Warner wows his receivers

We are going to regret this. I just know it. Thats the irony of things.

Reborn
Reply With Quote
Remove advertisements
Advertisement
Sponsored links

  #4 (permalink)  
Old -10-08-2004
DJRamFan's Avatar
DJRamFan
Status: Offline
Pro Bowl Ram
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Rochester, NY
Age: 27
Posts: 1,911
Rep Power: 0
DJRamFan - is sitting in the middle of the road
Re: Warner wows his receivers

I don't think we will regret this. It was a tough move, but unfortunately had to be done. Warner should have an OK year, but that'll be about it.
__________________
DJRamFan
ClanRam Fantasy Football Commissioner
2003 & 2004 ClanRam Cup Champion

ClanRam

LONG LIVE MIKE MARTZ

NFL Champions: 1945, 1951
NFC Champions: 1979, 1999, 2001
Division Champions: 1945, 1949-1951, 1955, 1967, 1969, 1973-1979, 1985, 1999, 2001, 2003

Super Bowl XXXIV Champions
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old -10-08-2004
txramsfan's Avatar
txramsfan
Status: Offline
Pro Bowl Ram
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Austin, TX
Age: 44
Posts: 6,030
Rep Power: 25
txramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud of
Re: Warner wows his receivers

Warner lost the Rams, no one else did it for him. Good luck to him in NY but he wore out his welcome in STL.
__________________
Why do people say "I don't mean to interrupt BUT". If you don't mean to interrupt, don't interrupt.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old -10-08-2004
adarian_too's Avatar
adarian_too
Status: Offline
Ram MVP
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: The Hollow
Posts: 1,400
Rep Power: 7
adarian_too has a spectacular aura aboutadarian_too has a spectacular aura about
Re: Warner wows his receivers

Quote:
Originally Posted by txramsfan
Warner lost the Rams, no one else did it for him. Good luck to him in NY but he wore out his welcome in STL.
Sorry to disagree with you ... but Warner did not wear out his welcome in Stl., sMartz wore out Warner's welcome in Stl.
Reply With Quote
Remove advertisements
Advertisement
Sponsored links

  #7 (permalink)  
Old -10-08-2004
txramsfan's Avatar
txramsfan
Status: Offline
Pro Bowl Ram
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Austin, TX
Age: 44
Posts: 6,030
Rep Power: 25
txramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud of
Re: Warner wows his receivers

He didn't lose the fans, but he lost the team.

Dosen't matter. He's gone. That's all that matters.
__________________
Why do people say "I don't mean to interrupt BUT". If you don't mean to interrupt, don't interrupt.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old -10-08-2004
adarian_too's Avatar
adarian_too
Status: Offline
Ram MVP
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: The Hollow
Posts: 1,400
Rep Power: 7
adarian_too has a spectacular aura aboutadarian_too has a spectacular aura about
Re: Warner wows his receivers

Quote:
Originally Posted by txramsfan
He didn't lose the fans, but he lost the team.
All he may have lost was Turley and now that doesn't seem such a big deal since Turley ain't part of the team ...
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old -10-08-2004
txramsfan's Avatar
txramsfan
Status: Offline
Pro Bowl Ram
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Austin, TX
Age: 44
Posts: 6,030
Rep Power: 25
txramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud of
Re: Warner wows his receivers

Well, if that was the case, he would have played last year. He didn't though did he?

Sorry adarian, the boy lost this team. Believe what you want though.
__________________
Why do people say "I don't mean to interrupt BUT". If you don't mean to interrupt, don't interrupt.
Reply With Quote
Remove advertisements
Advertisement
Sponsored links

  #10 (permalink)  
Old -10-08-2004
HUbison's Avatar
HUbison
Status: Online
Superbowl MVP
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Missouri
Age: 34
Posts: 8,696
Rep Power: 35
HUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Warner wows his receivers

Quote:
Originally Posted by txramsfan
Well, if that was the case, he would have played last year. He didn't though did he?

Sorry adarian, the boy lost this team. Believe what you want though.
Sorry to interject, but did the team vote to bench Warner last year? Unless democracy has found its way to the NFL, I think that was a Martz decision.
__________________
"The greatest evil is conceived and ordered in clean offices, by men with white collars. Hence, my symbol for Hell is the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern." --- C. S. Lewis

"Dr. Lewis, allow me to introduce to you, Mr Shaw & Jay Zygmunt.....oh, I see you've already met." HUbison
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old -10-08-2004
adarian_too's Avatar
adarian_too
Status: Offline
Ram MVP
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: The Hollow
Posts: 1,400
Rep Power: 7
adarian_too has a spectacular aura aboutadarian_too has a spectacular aura about
Re: Warner wows his receivers

Well TX, did the team vote to bench Warner last year? Unless democracy has found its way to the NFL, I think that was a Martz decision.

Sorry HUbison, couldn't have said it better myself so I figured stealing it would serve the purpose for now ...
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old -10-08-2004
txramsfan's Avatar
txramsfan
Status: Offline
Pro Bowl Ram
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Austin, TX
Age: 44
Posts: 6,030
Rep Power: 25
txramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud of
Re: Warner wows his receivers

They did go to the coach and ask for Bulger so in a way yes, they did vote him out.
__________________
Why do people say "I don't mean to interrupt BUT". If you don't mean to interrupt, don't interrupt.
Reply With Quote
Remove advertisements
Advertisement
Sponsored links

  #13 (permalink)  
Old -10-08-2004
Yodude's Avatar
Yodude
Status: Online
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: The State of Confusion
Posts: 753
Rep Power: 6
Yodude has a spectacular aura aboutYodude has a spectacular aura about
Re: Warner wows his receivers

If Warner lost the team, that's on Martz for letting it happen.

Bottom line...the better player plays....if the team has a problem with that....it's on the coach to rectify the situation.

Players don't decide who plays and who sits, they play. The coach decides who starts and who sits.
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old -10-08-2004
txramsfan's Avatar
txramsfan
Status: Offline
Pro Bowl Ram
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Austin, TX
Age: 44
Posts: 6,030
Rep Power: 25
txramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud oftxramsfan has much to be proud of
Re: Warner wows his receivers

Dosen't matter anymore....he's gone.
__________________
Why do people say "I don't mean to interrupt BUT". If you don't mean to interrupt, don't interrupt.
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old -10-08-2004
HUbison's Avatar
HUbison
Status: Online
Superbowl MVP
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Missouri
Age: 34
Posts: 8,696
Rep Power: 35
HUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Warner wows his receivers

Quote:
Originally Posted by txramsfan
Dosen't matter anymore....he's gone.
If Warner was the problem, then you're right. But if the problem was something or someone other than Warner, then nothing was solved. I just think there are some who aren't sold on the idea that Warner was the problem. If this is true, we still have a problem.
__________________
"The greatest evil is conceived and ordered in clean offices, by men with white collars. Hence, my symbol for Hell is the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern." --- C. S. Lewis

"Dr. Lewis, allow me to introduce to you, Mr Shaw & Jay Zygmunt.....oh, I see you've already met." HUbison
Reply With Quote
Remove advertisements
Advertisement
Sponsored links

Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
PaRamFan48 Chistmas '99 RamWraith RAM TALK 5 -19-03-2006 04:18 AM
Warner article--sure to drum up a debate. Interesting read RamWraith NFL TALK 9 -17-05-2005 05:40 AM
The Best of the Best: A Football Simulation (come join!) Nick FANTASY 48 -02-07-2004 02:49 AM
Kurt Warner – A Fond Farewell To A Great Man RamDez NFL TALK 4 -18-06-2004 03:23 PM
Interesting Takes From Warner & Coughlin r8rh8rmike NFL TALK 2 -11-06-2004 04:06 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:11 PM.