will warner make the HOF

[general counsel]

Warner certainly goes down in the rams HOF, but will he ultimately be enshrined in canton? I believe he has very little shot of making it. From a peak performance standpoint, he was as good as anyone ever in terms of statistics, leadership, toughness, accuracy, mvp awards and even a title.

However, two major factors work against him. First, longevity. He just didnt do it over a long enough period of time. His star was really three years long if you think about it. Second, it will always be said that he was at least partially a function of the system, with great players around him. A final factor is that he did nothing while in new york, the media hype capital.

Personally, i dont think warner was ever the same after he broke his thumb against the eagles in week one of the 2001 season. His deep ball was never as good. This was one of the toughest guys in the history of the position and one of the very brightest. However, given that he had three great years and then a couple of decent ones, i dont think that qualifies him to be an NFL hall of famer.

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general counsel

[txramsfan]

No way does Warner make the HOF. He had three outstanding years with the Rams but he will labeled a system QB instead of a pure QB. Plus, three years of greatness doesn't equate to HOF.

Is that a knock against him? Absolutely not. He was outstanding with the Rams. However, he didn't have that same consistency with the Giants or the Cardinals that he had with the Rams. Just a fact.

[Facing-The-Giant]

I say he gets in. maybe not first ballot. be he will eventualy get in. imo

[AlphaRam]

As nice of a man as he is, he won't get in. It is a shame as he is someone to look up to...as opposed to Michael Irvin the crackhead.

[ramsbruce]

Originally Posted by Facing-The-Giant

I say he gets in. maybe not first ballot. be he will eventualy get in. imo

Based on what?

Three great years does not make Warner a Hall of Famer, no matter how much you like him.

[jkramsfan]

my heart says yes, but my head says he won't,if he could have had a couple of good years after the rams then this discussion may be different,he hasn't been in the best situations since leaving the Rams, he has played for teams that were just waiting for him to have a few bad games so they had a reason to put there high priced rookie in.BUT he always handled it with the utmost class and respect.i will always be a hugh Kurt Warner fan and not for just what he did on the field but for what he does off the field also.

[Facing-The-Giant]

the guy deserves it. that is why i said he will. if you were elected in by your pure goodness,he would be the first one in.

[Facing-The-Giant]

ok ok ok. in reality he probably won't get in, but i have no doubt that in 03 if he would have started every game instead of being benched by martz he would have lead us to a superbowl again. it was disrespectfull for martz to bench warner after one bad game, that wasn't even that bad. kurt should be our QB right now.

[r8rh8rmike]

No one is a bigger Warner fan than I am. I love the guy. I was hoping he would put up some good numbers for a few years in Arizona and give himself a shot, but that didn't happen. He had several HOF game performances with the Cardinals, but nothing consistant and he couldn't finish a single season. His fumble woes, interceptions and benching seem to have sealed his fate. Unless something dramatic happens, Warner will not have enough to make into the HOF. Too bad, because he had the greatest 3 year run in NFL history IMO.

[Facing-The-Giant]

Originally Posted by r8rh8rmike

No one is a bigger Warner fan than I am. I love the guy. I was hoping he would put up some good numbers for a few years in Arizona and give himself a shot, but that didn't happen. He had several HOF game performances with the Cardinals, but nothing consistant and he couldn't finish a single season. His fumble woes, interceptions and benching seem to have sealed his fate. Unless something dramatic happens, Warner will not have enough to make into the HOF. Too bad, because he had the greatest 3 year run in NFL history IMO.

I am a pretty big warner fan. i can tell you everything about him. as far as being sports related. He is my favorite ram. he is the best ram. he in my heart is still a ram.

Go Warner!!!

[ramsbruce]

Originally Posted by Facing-The-Giant

the guy deserves it. that is why i said he will. if you were elected in by your pure goodness,he would be the first one in.

It doesn't matter how nice he is. It was even stretch for me to say he had 3 great years since he missed 5 games in 2000. So he really only had 2 great years, and one good year with the Rams (2000). He had below average years with the Giants and Cards and never played a full season with either of those teams. So I don't see how he deserves it. Like I said, just because he is a nice guy and is well liked, that doesn't mean he deserves it.

Don't get me wrong, I like him. He was great in the GSOT, but reality says he didn't sustain a high level of play long enough to warrant him a trip to the HoF.

[Facing-The-Giant]

your right. I am wrong. My vote still says he will someday get in. he has too. I know he will: somehow, someway.

[BigDaddyPace]

Namath is in and his numbers sucked.

Terrel Davis came close this year and he only had three solid years before injury ended his career.

Warner HAD THE GREATEST YEAR EVER BY A QB! He'll make it. People forget that he was 32 when he got his first start and it was an injury that started his downfall.

[ramsbruce]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyPace

Namath is in and his numbers sucked.

Terrel Davis came close this year and he only had three solid years before injury ended his career.

Warner HAD THE GREATEST YEAR EVER BY A QB! He'll make it. People forget that he was 32 when he got his first start and it was an injury that started his downfall.

Namath also got into the HoF 22 years ago. Getting into the HoF is more difficult now and it will be even more difficult by the time Warner is eligible just due to who is in there now and the numbers they put up. Namath didn't have to be compared with Montana, Marino, or Elway. They raised the bar, and Manning is in the process of raising it even more.

Davis didn't really come close to getting into the HoF, he was in the top 25 semi finals, but he didn't even make it to the 17 finalists that the committee picked from. http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...272007,00.html

I doubt that any Rams fan forgets Warner was older when he started or that his injuries started his downward spiral, that also has no bearing on whether he gets in or not.

Warner had the best year ever?? That's news to Dan Marino and Peyton Manning.

Also the difference between them is Marino kept on, and Manning keeps having great years, while Warner had 2 great years and 1 good year. Just not enough to get in the way the vote goes today.

Warner had a great run here, but unless he makes an amazing comeback somewhere else for a few years he won't get in.

[81~BIG-GAME]

Originally Posted by Facing-The-Giant

ok ok ok. in reality he probably won't get in, but i have no doubt that in 03 if he would have started every game instead of being benched by martz he would have lead us to a superbowl again. it was disrespectfull for martz to bench warner after one bad game, that wasn't even that bad. kurt should be our QB right now.

That's quite a statement,do you really think the Kurt Warner of present is a better option than Marc Bulger? IMO Kurt Warner won't get in,and I'm a massive fan of him,as GC stated he just didn't stay around long enough at the top of his game.But Kurt for me will always be a great role-model and just pure class..