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    10 days until the draft, 10 random thoughts...

    1. I really wish I liked Colt McCoy or Dan LeFevour better. While I suppose you could portray me as a Bradford supporter right now, I still really would love to see Ndamukong Suh in a Rams uniform. But every time I think of waiting to Round 2 to take a QB, I remind myself of McCoy's looping passes that just don't look like the kind that beat NFL D-backs, or of LeFevour's errant throws.

    2. I read that Howard Balzer is reporting that Bradford's visit to Rams Park has been moved up to 4/16. I have not been able to confirm this, and I'm not sure what the reason is, but its noteworthy.

    3. One semi-logical argument for Bradford over Suh. If both become Hall of Fame players, it will probably mean that Bradford will have won a Super Bowl. Not sure you can say the same about a HOF DT.

    4. I really think that the odds on favorite for the second round pick is a RB. If Ryan Matthews should fall to #33, I think the Rams would take him in a heartbeat.

    5. Ever notice how great teams seem to always have a true late-round (or even undrafted) steal on their roster? It sure would be nice if the Rams could find the next 5th round (or later) player to make the Pro Bowl.

    6. I am really looking forward to the release of this year's schedule. It will probably happen within the next two weeks. I think it time that the Rams get a home game opening week (they have opened on the road the last two year).

    7. I find myself not caring all that much whether Shahid Khan is the next owner of the Rams.

    8. I have only one rule for trades on Draft Weekend (other than the obvious "don't get ripped off" rule): I do not want to make any trade that results in the Rams having FEWER picks in the fist five rounds of this draft. If the Rams need to trade up, I'd rather package future picks. Why? Two reasons (1) the Rams need as many prospects as they can get, and (2) I think this is a very deep draft.

    9. It must be strange to be Bill Devaney, knowing his career legacy may ultimately be determined on the basis of which 20something year old kid he selects.

    10. At least nobody is talking about John Shaw being the decisionmaker any more.


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    Re: 10 days until the draft, 10 random thoughts...

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    5. Ever notice how great teams seem to always have a true late-round (or even undrafted) steal on their roster? It sure would be nice if the Rams could find the next 5th round (or later) player to make the Pro Bowl.
    One thing that is shocking to me is to look at both the Colts and Saints rosters and see all the players starting for either team that were late round picks. Off the top of my head I know that Marques Colston was a 7th, Pierre Thomas was a 7th (maybe UDFA), Robert Mathis was a 5th and Pierre Garcon was a 6th. Those are a lot of big name players today that were no namers a couple of years ago.

    Imagine the likes of David Vobora or Craig Dahl hoisting a Lombardi Trophy over their heads. Winners don't all need to come from the first few rounds, and it's good to know that Devaney and company want football players hungry to play and win.

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    Re: 10 days until the draft, 10 random thoughts...

    Quote Originally Posted by Warner4prez View Post
    One thing that is shocking to me is to look at both the Colts and Saints rosters and see all the players starting for either team that were late round picks. Off the top of my head I know that Marques Colston was a 7th, Pierre Thomas was a 7th (maybe UDFA), Robert Mathis was a 5th and Pierre Garcon was a 6th. Those are a lot of big name players today that were no namers a couple of years ago.
    And thats either a credit to the scouting staff that can see something in late round prospects that other people dont see or its the coaching that develops this guys into contributors .. Either way, its not the players selected, its the research done and the coaching.

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    Re: 10 days until the draft, 10 random thoughts...

    Hey look everyone, TekeRam is back! #5 is a good point Av, but so is having the coaching to get the most from those draft picks. The Colts and Saints have top coaching staffs. Just look at how good Anthony Hargrove, a former Ram 3rd round bust, was for them this past year. They got the most out of him, while we and the Bills could not.
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    Re: 10 days until the draft, 10 random thoughts...

    Quote Originally Posted by TekeRam View Post
    Hey look everyone, TekeRam is back! #5 is a good point Av, but so is having the coaching to get the most from those draft picks. The Colts and Saints have top coaching staffs. Just look at how good Anthony Hargrove, a former Ram 3rd round bust, was for them this past year. They got the most out of him, while we and the Bills could not.

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    And I don't know, I think that John Shaw is secretly plotting something.

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    Re: 10 days until the draft, 10 random thoughts...

    That's why I think it is so important to get a guy who wants to be great. Eugene Monroe was the better Tackle coming out of college than Jason Smith. The difference was however, Monroe is described as passionless with less upside, and Smith has a great love for the game and has more upside.

    Its those mediocre players that work their tails off that become great. Takes that extra personality and coaching to get the rest out of the player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bralidore(RAMMODE) View Post
    That's why I think it is so important to get a guy who wants to be great. Eugene Monroe was the better Tackle coming out of college than Jason Smith. The difference was however, Monroe is described as passionless with less upside, and Smith has a great love for the game and has more upside.

    Its those mediocre players that work their tails off that become great. Takes that extra personality and coaching to get the rest out of the player.
    Which is why im glad we have Spag's, he's rates character highly. Which at the end of the day (or decade), works out better for the team. Except if your the Jets and looking for the xtra pieces to make that superbowl run (then take the discounted talent and try and knock off the patriots ...

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    Re: 10 days until the draft, 10 random thoughts...

    I think that a lot of the "from nowhere" players came to be not because of the coaching, but because of who they play with. I don't think Pierre Garcon would be enjoy much success if his QB were... say... Trent Edwards instead of Peyton Manning.

    In Hargrove's case, I think it was more about him finally getting his head together.

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    Re: 10 days until the draft, 10 random thoughts...

    1. I agree. I am optimistic about McCoy's potential, but I wouldn't go as far as to say confident. The Ndamakong/Colt combination is great if Colt turns about to be at least an above average starter. If not, we could live to regret it.

    3. It certainly seems like there's a high correlation between Super Bowl winners and elite quarterbacks--more so than with elite defensive tackles.

    4. Could be. Personally, I'd think that all things equal, runningback wouldn't be the pick. Maybe that's where the talent happens to be strongest when we pick, but I could see a lot of other directions we could go and land a player who would actually start for us in the near future.

    5. Definitely! Actually, any representation at all in the Pro Bowl aside from Steven Jackson would be a most welcome surprise. It'd be a good sign regarding the direction of the franchise if we are able to find a player or players later in the draft who can excel in our system. That'd suggest that at least something was working.

    9. No kidding. It's scary to think how much is riding on the shoulders of these guys who are barely old enough to legally buy alcohol.

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    Re: 10 days until the draft, 10 random thoughts...

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post

    6. I am really looking forward to the release of this year's schedule. It will probably happen within the next two weeks. I think it time that the Rams get a home game opening week (they have opened on the road the last two year).
    Last year the rams played in detroit so does that mean they play in st.louis this year? hopefully not...I live 10 minutes across the border

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    Re: 10 days until the draft, 10 random thoughts...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenfleece View Post
    1. I agree. I am optimistic about McCoy's potential, but I wouldn't go as far as to say confident. The Ndamakong/Colt combination is great if Colt turns about to be at least an above average starter. If not, we could live to regret it.

    3. It certainly seems like there's a high correlation between Super Bowl winners and elite quarterbacks--more so than with elite defensive tackles.
    1. But we'll regret a 2nd round QB bust a LOT less than a 1st round bust when we have and didn't pass on Suh. That is, if they're both busts. I see them as not quite, but close to equals.

    3. That's for certain, and you get elite QB's in the first round, I know. I just love building inside out, and when you can get a dominating ine player, you go get him.
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    Re: 10 days until the draft, 10 random thoughts...

    With regards to late round picks, i certainly think its not a surprise that its the good teams that have the late round steals. If the team is already good, a late round pick either has a few years to develop, or he is surrounded by a lot of good talent. Its a lot easier to play well if everyone around you is good.

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    Re: 10 days until the draft, 10 random thoughts...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ram Mar Ram View Post
    Which is why im glad we have Spag's, he's rates character highly. Which at the end of the day (or decade), works out better for the team. Except if your the Jets and looking for the xtra pieces to make that superbowl run (then take the discounted talent and try and knock off the patriots ...

    Funny that the Jets are the team eschewing high character guys for pure talent. The Jets gutted their roster after 2005 and went after nothing but "Mangini guys", emphasizing character. I swear that three quarters of the players drafted from 2006-2008 were team captains. A big reason that the team feels comfortable taking risks on guys like Braylon Edwards and Santonio Holmes is because they have a (now) veteran base of high character hard working players.

    When you are down you need the high character hard working guys to set an example and do the work. After you have set the tone and the coach has his attitude in place those guys will keep the knuckleheads in line. Besides, once the team starts winning chemistry starts to take care of itself.

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    Re: 10 days until the draft, 10 random thoughts...

    1. It makes sense not to like them as much as the guy sitting near the top of the first round. But perhaps one of McCoy's biggest positives is that the offensive system he's projected to fit into at the next level just happens to be the one the Rams are running. Though I'm not head over heels for him (nor am I with Bradford, for what that's worth), I think he could be an effective quarterback at the next level. But you're right, there's a reason they're viewed as second or third round prospects.

    2. Apparently Schefter has reported this as well. Not sure what to make of it, really.

    3. Well yes, if you think they're both going to achieve an equal level of greatness, then you obviously take the QB. I don't think many would disagree with that, though I don't think Suh advocates think both players will have equally great careers.

    4. I'm still not sure how I feel about a second round running back. The value could be there, and the Rams need a legitimate back-up to spell Jackson and what not. But using your second round pick on a situational player when you have so many other areas that need starters... I just don't know.

    5. No kidding. The closest the Rams have come to that may be David Vobora or Mark Setterstrom. Though you also have to consider that the Rams have found diamonds in the rough in their last two starting QBs, so maybe that counts.

    6. Agreed!

    7. Agreed!

    8. I can see the logic in that position.

    9. That's the risk you take when you take the job, I guess.

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    Re: 10 days until the draft, 10 random thoughts...

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    1. I really wish I liked Colt McCoy or Dan LeFevour better. While I suppose you could portray me as a Bradford supporter right now, I still really would love to see Ndamukong Suh in a Rams uniform. But every time I think of waiting to Round 2 to take a QB, I remind myself of McCoy's looping passes that just don't look like the kind that beat NFL D-backs, or of LeFevour's errant throws.
    If McCoy and LeFevour were more enticing as QB prospects, then we'd have a whole different problem to deal with. Just as the argument is made that the importance of the QB position is enough to take Bradford over Suh or Gerald McCoy, the same thing applies with the 2nd round. Several times in recent years a QB thought to possibly be 2nd round caliber has ended up moving up in the mid 1st round due to the importance of the position. The 2 players I'm thinking of are Josh Freeman last year and Joe Flacco 2 years ago. Flacco has done well, justifying the pick, and Freeman still has time to prove himself.

    It still wouldn't surprise me to see Colt McCoy go in the last 1st round, due to the importance of the position.

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