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    AR Rams Draft Board (3/22/06 Update)

    Some Pro Day workouts have impacted the ratings.

    Prospect Ranking
    5.0 – Blue Chip Prospect. Certain High First Rounder

    4.0 – Solid First Rounder, but could go late in first round.

    3.0 – Marginal First Rounder, could last until second round.
    2.0 – Day 1 Selection, but not a first rounder.
    1.0 – Mid-to late round selection.

    Need Ranking
    5.0 – Immediate need. Expected to start as rookie.
    4.0 – Priority need. Expected to play/compete for starting spot as rookie.
    3.0 – Non-priority need. Could play/start, but not a high priority.
    2.0 – Depth selection. Solid starter already in place.
    1.0 – No basis to select. Waste of first round selection.

    QB: 1.0
    RB: 1.5
    WR: 1.0
    TE: 3.0
    OT: 2.0
    OG: 3.5
    C: 3.0
    DE: 4.0
    DT: 4.0
    OLB: 5.0
    MLB: 3.0
    CB: 4.0
    S: 4.5

    Dropoff Factor (How the overall quality of prospects at the position compares from the first to the second round)

    +.50 - Big dropoff at position in Round 2
    Even - Moderate dropoff at position in Round 2
    -.50 - Minimal dropoff at position in Round 2

    If two players have the same combined score, I rank them based upon my subjective preference.

    Player: Total Score (Prospect Ranking/Need Ranking/Dropoff Factor)

    1. A.J. Hawk, OLB, Ohio State: 10.0 (5.0/5.0/E)
    2. Mario Williams, DE, NC State: 9.5 (5.0/4.0/+.50)
    3. Michael Huff, S, Texas: 9.5 (5.0/4.5/E)
    4. Chad Greenway, OLB, Iowa: 9.0 (4.0/5.0/E)
    5. Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon: 8.5 (4.5/4.0/E)
    6. DeMeco Ryans, OLB, Alabama 8.5 (3.5/5.0/E)
    7. Tye Hill, CB, Clemson: 8.0(4.5/4.0/-.50)
    8. Vernon Davis, TE, Georgia 7.5 (5.0/3.0/-.50)
    9. Brodrick Bunkley, DT, FSU 7.5 (3.5/4.0/E)
    10. Tamba Hali, DE, Penn State 7.5 (3.0/4.0/+.50)
    11. Jimmy Williams, CB 7.0 (3.5/4.0/-.50)
    12. Antonio Cromartie, CB, FSU 7.0 (3.5/4.0/-.50)

    New to list: Antonio Cromartie

    Dropped from list: Ko Simpson
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    Re: AR Rams Draft Board (3/22/06 Update)

    I would be happy with any of those picks minus 7, 10, and 11

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    Re: AR Rams Draft Board (3/22/06 Update)

    Quote Originally Posted by serkicker32
    I would be happy with any of those picks minus 7, 10, and 11
    Hm, interesting. Serkicker, for the sake of discussion, would you be willing to share why not Hill, Hali, and Williams?
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    Re: AR Rams Draft Board (3/22/06 Update)

    My only problem with Hill is that he is short and I am a fan of bigger corners, but I won't throw a fit if we drafted him (after trading back a couple of spots). As for Hali, I think of him as a Grant Winstrom type of end, where as he has a great motor but not the natural skills to warrent the 11 spot, mor like the 20 to 25 range. With Williams I think of him as a pouty little baby who will only start in the NFL full time as a safety, but has gone on record as saying he wants to play corner, because it makes more money.

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    Re: AR Rams Draft Board (3/22/06 Update)

    Quote Originally Posted by serkicker32
    My only problem with Hill is that he is short and I am a fan of bigger corners, but I won't throw a fit if we drafted him (after trading back a couple of spots). As for Hali, I think of him as a Grant Winstrom type of end, where as he has a great motor but not the natural skills to warrent the 11 spot, mor like the 20 to 25 range. With Williams I think of him as a pouty little baby who will only start in the NFL full time as a safety, but has gone on record as saying he wants to play corner, because it makes more money.
    Good points, thanks for the response.

    As for Hill, if he were 3 inches taller, he'd be a top 10 pick. And, of course, if my aunt had b@!!$, she'd be my uncle.

    The Hali to Wistrom comparison is interesting. Both are hard workers and all effort anchors on the line. Ironic that a comparison with Wistrom moves Hali to the 20 to 25 range, while Wistrom himself was a #6 overall pick.

    Why do I get the feeling that Williams will wind up either a Poston or Rosenhaus client before it's all said and done?
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    Re: AR Rams Draft Board (3/22/06 Update)

    Quote Originally Posted by serkicker32
    My only problem with Hill is that he is short and I am a fan of bigger corners, but I won't throw a fit if we drafted him (after trading back a couple of spots).
    Hill has a 44 inch vertical

    williams only has a 33

    yes, williams is 4 inches taller then hill but there is a 11 inch difference in their verticals

    plus hill is lower to the ground, he can turn and pivit and cut better, hes smoother moving his hips.

    williams is out of VT and they always produce strong physical players, except he only had 12 reps at the combine...12?? thats horrible. wich makes me question his work ethic. i remeber he had a steller Jr. year but then he seemed to develop a case of senioritis.

    with hill's size id fell comfortable playing him at the nickel. if hes on a slot receiver with his low center theres no way he'd get beat on short crossing routes.

    sending him on a blitz from the nickel is very conceivable aswell, with his small size he would quickly out manouver a fullback or TE.

    hill over williams hands down.

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    Re: AR Rams Draft Board (3/22/06 Update)

    Quote Originally Posted by HUbison
    The Hali to Wistrom comparison is interesting. Both are hard workers and all effort anchors on the line. Ironic that a comparison with Wistrom moves Hali to the 20 to 25 range, while Wistrom himself was a #6 overall pick.
    Yeah and Wistrom has never lived up to that billing and never will. And just so no one takes my post the wrong way, I love guys with that type of motor, it's just that if you can't produce 10+ sacks a year then you are not first round material, but if you play with a high motor and can lift a defense, then you can be moved into the first round. If we were to trade back 10 or so spots I would be doing flips if we got Hali.

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    Re: AR Rams Draft Board (3/22/06 Update)

    Quote Originally Posted by serkicker32
    Yeah and Wistrom has never lived up to that billing and never will. And just so no one takes my post the wrong way, I love guys with that type of motor, it's just that if you can't produce 10+ sacks a year then you are not first round material, but if you play with a high motor and can lift a defense, then you can be moved into the first round. If we were to trade back 10 or so spots I would be doing flips if we got Hali.


    You know the job of the DE is to pressure the QB and HELP STOP THE RUN. But that doesn't mean that they get tackles though it just means they give LB the chance to make tackles.

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    Re: AR Rams Draft Board (3/22/06 Update)

    You know when it comes down to it, I don't think Tye Hill is any shorter than Travis Fisher, and he's been a starter for us.
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    Re: AR Rams Draft Board (3/22/06 Update)

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick
    You know when it comes down to it, I don't think Tye Hill is any shorter than Travis Fisher, and he's been a starter for us.
    I don't think he should be a starter for us, maybe a nickleback but he is too injury prone. Maybe that's why I am biased.

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    Re: AR Rams Draft Board (3/22/06 Update)

    Quote Originally Posted by serkicker32
    I don't think he should be a starter for us, maybe a nickleback but he is too injury prone. Maybe that's why I am biased.
    Tye Hill is injury prone? This is the first I've heard about it. Or are you talking about Fisher? My point was that Fisher has been tall enough to start, so there shouldn't be a huge concern that Hill isn't. He's hands down the best pure cover corner in this draft, IMO.
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    Re: AR Rams Draft Board (3/22/06 Update)

    Yeah I was talking about Fisher. I don't know of any injury history with Tye Hill.

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