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    Av's Post-Combine/Pre-FA 7 Round Rams Mock (Version 4.0)

    Time for another update.

    I found this mock to be particularly difficult, as there are so many unanswered questions relating to FA. These picks do not presume any particular FA signings. My next mock, which I'll post after the first big wave of FA, should be a lot easier.

    All that said, in light of the Combine, here are my current selections:

    Round 1(2): Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M (no change)
    Its become a real toss-up between Matthews and Auburn’s Greg Robinson. I still have Matthews on top given his “camera-ready” game, but I could easily be swayed to go with Robinson’s upside potential. Either way, absent a trade down, I think the Rams should fill the OT spot as their No. 1 priority.

    Round 1(13): Hasean Clinton-Dix, FS, Alabama (no change)
    This selection also comes with a caveat – I could easily go with Calvin Pryor instead. I give the edge to Clinton-Dix due to his success against a higher level of competition, and histrue “center fielder” skills. I also note that this selection is made based upon my assumption that Justin Gilbert and Mike Evans will already be off the board.

    Round 2: Chris Borland, LB, Wisconsin (Prior Selection: StanleyJean-Baptiste)
    Borland and the Rams are a good match because Borland is extremely good in the role that the Rams need to fill: a run-stopping SLB. He is, in my opinion, a similar player to London Fletcher, who would bea good player to model one’s game after.

    Round 3: Martavis Bryant, WR, Clemson (Prior Selection: Gabe Jackson)

    At worst, Bryant would give the Rams a big play target (6’4, 211; 4.42 in the forty, 39”vertical). At best, he could be a sleeper who could provide a team with a No. 1 WR at the price of a Day 2selection. If he’s there in Round 3, I think he’d be worth a shot.

    Round 4: Phillip Gaines, CB, Rice (Prior Selection: Christian Jones)

    If you took Gaines’ profile (6’0, 193; All-Conference First Team; 4.38 in the forty) and gave it to a player in a major conference, he’d be a Round 1-2 selection. I suppose you could call him a sleeper, but I think he’s climbing a lot of draft boards after a stellar Combine performance.

    Round 5: Tyler Gaffney, RB, Stanford (Prior Selection: Antonio Andrews)
    Gaffney, in my opinion, would be a perfect player to back up Zac Stacy. He has a similar build (Gaffney is a bit larger at 6’0, 220) and is also a productive inside runner. He also is a very good blocker and receiver, which would give the Rams the option of resting Stacy on passing downs.

    Round 6: Jeff Matthews, QB, Cornell (no change)
    I’ll stick with Matthews as the developmental QB prospect. He has all the tools, and could become a viable No. 2 for Sam Bradford very quickly.

    Round 7: Johnathan Dowling, S, Western Kentucky (no change)
    Dowling ran a 4.52 at the Combine, solidifying his status as a draft-worthy player despite his Janoris Jenkins-like career path. DB depth is always a good thing.

    Round 7: Ryan Groy, OG, Wisconsin (Prior Selection: Kerry Hyder)

    Wisconsin has produced some good OL. Groy may not be an elite athlete, but he projects as a strong run blocker and, at worst, a valuable depth player.
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    Re: Av's Post-Combine/Pre-FA 7 Round Rams Mock (Version 4.0)

    - I'd prefer Robinson to Matthews, but Matthews is still a good pick at that spot.
    - I'm not very high on Haha. I think he can be a good player but I prefer a vet at the FS spot.
    - Borland is a good selection and would fit well, I question can he be had in round 3?
    - I don't see the value in Bryant. He's just another young guy we need to put too much work into. Get a #1 or don't get anything.
    - Gaines is a great pick.
    - Don't know much about the rest; Groy is a nice pick in the 7th.


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    Re: Av's Post-Combine/Pre-FA 7 Round Rams Mock (Version 4.0)

    Bryant is definitely my "out there" pick. I did toy with taking Benjamin at No. 13, Ed Reynolds in Round 2, and Borland (as you suggested) in Round 3. I was concerned, though, that Borland would be gone by then, and there wasn't another OLB that I really liked for Round 3.

    Bryant has outstanding tools, and put up good numbers as Sammy Watkins' No. 2. While I don't think he'd hit the ground running as a No. 1 WR, I do think that his ability to stretch the field would benefit Austin, Bailey and Cook.

    Its funny how every time I do one of these mocks, I always find myself saying "if I only had one more Round 2 pick."

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    Re: Av's Post-Combine/Pre-FA 7 Round Rams Mock (Version 4.0)

    WAYYYY too early for Borland, after a very average combine, and the late picks look like you used a dart board.

    Hard to really judge without seeing what was available, like Evans or Benjamin at 13.


    The Borland pick breaks this draft. He can't play outside, meaning he is ONLY a special teamer here

    With all these good DT, a real need here, you got NOTHING in that draft.
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    Re: Av's Post-Combine/Pre-FA 7 Round Rams Mock (Version 4.0)

    With just a couple later trades in that "draft game" site, I got THESE GUYS:
    Round 1 Pick 2: Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn (A)
    Round 1 Pick 13: Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M (A)
    Round 2 Pick 12: Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh (A)
    Round 3 Pick 11: Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Eastern Illinois (A)
    Round 4 Pick 19 (DAL): Marcus Martin, C, Southern California (A)
    Round 5 Pick 13: Kevin Pierre-Louis, OLB, Boston College (B)
    Round 5 Pick 20 (ARI): Morgan Breslin, OLB, Southern California (B+)
    Round 6 Pick 12: Cameron Fleming, OT, Stanford (C+)
    Round 7 Pick 11: Phillip Gaines, CB, Rice (D)
    Round 7 Pick 14 (DAL): Zach Fulton, OG, Tennessee (E)
    Round 7 Pick 26: Andre Hal, CB, Vanderbilt (B+)

    Now compare that to your mock. i think you are undersetimating who will be available. And all my guys WERE at the combine, I think.
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    Re: Av's Post-Combine/Pre-FA 7 Round Rams Mock (Version 4.0)

    Excellent mock. I only disagree with you on Clinton-Dix over Pryor, but that is based more on my belief that Pryor is more of a Gregg Williams type FS. I fully agree with your point that Mike Evans and Justin Gilbert are preferable at #13 where the 2 safeties would be a reach.

    Gaines at CB caught my eye at the Combine and I like his selection, he may not last until round 4. Really like the Borland pick as he gives us the same as what I like about CJ Mosely smart football player who can fill-in at MLB for JLau. Nice contrast to Ogletree as well.

    Love the Gafney pick but I hope this is the year Pead comes around because I feel we'd need more of a Tre Mason/DRich type at RB than a pounder.

    I know nothing/very little about the others except I always like Wisconsin O-Linemen, so Groy will hopefully be there in round 7. Incidentally, Mike Martz would be very proud of you taking an Ivy League QB. As for the Martavis Bryant pick, I'm thinking about Lydell Mitchell and Franco Harris the 2 Penn State RB's. When they came out Mitchell was the supposed star for the NFL and Harris was an OK RB. We know history proved differently. So perhaps Bryant will outshine Watkins, or at least be a hidden gem.

    Go Rams!

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    Re: Av's Post-Combine/Pre-FA 7 Round Rams Mock (Version 4.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Waller View Post
    WAYYYY too early for Borland, after a very average combine, and the late picks look like you used a dart board.

    Hard to really judge without seeing what was available, like Evans or Benjamin at 13.


    The Borland pick breaks this draft. He can't play outside, meaning he is ONLY a special teamer here

    With all these good DT, a real need here, you got NOTHING in that draft.
    Don't hold back, Barry. Tell me how you really feel.

    As I stated, I presumed that Gilbert and Evans would be gone by No. 13. What I find surprising is, given your expressed belief that the Rams really need a starting FS, that you'd object to Clinton-Dix at No. 13 (remember, this was based upon NO FAs being signed).

    I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on Borland. For what its worth, Mike Mayock seems to like him as well:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Mayock
    “So I was kind of hooked on him early and every tape I’ve seen since then just reinforces to me that he’s kind of like, he could have the ability to be the (Bills linebacker) Kiko Alonso of this year’s group. I think he is probably going to go in the second round. I think he is going to start for whatever team takes him. And as long as he stays healthy, he is just going to keep making plays. The kid makes plays. He’s around the football all the time. I love watching him play football.”
    Plus, its not as though he's never played OLB:

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Borland
    “I’ve played outside linebacker in a 4-3, I’ve played inside linebacker in a 4-3, and I’ve played inside linebacker in a 3-4,” Borland said. “I think that works to my advantage. Mentally, I can pick it up. Physically, I can play well in the schemes, and I think that helps me.”
    As for the "dart board" comment, perhaps you can tell me why you don't think guys like Gaffney, Matthews, Dowling and Groy would be good fits.

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    Re: Av's Post-Combine/Pre-FA 7 Round Rams Mock (Version 4.0)

    WEAKNESSES: Despite stellar production, Borland's pedestrian size and athleticism hurt, but there is some validity to the Zach Thomas comparisons. He lacks elite speed and range to consistently play sideline-to-sideline, but effort and motor aren't questions - his body and mind are always at full-go. Lack of length shows near the line of scrimmage.

    --Rob Rang

    Sorry, but Gregg Williams and Les Snead and Jeff Fisher are not gonna waste a 3rd rounder in a really good draft on a smallish guy who ran 4.78 and would NEVER start here.
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    Re: Av's Post-Combine/Pre-FA 7 Round Rams Mock (Version 4.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Waller View Post
    With just a couple later trades in that "draft game" site, I got THESE GUYS:
    Round 1 Pick 2: Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn (A)
    As I noted, I have Matthews and Robinson nearly equal, so I'm fine with this.

    Round 1 Pick 13: Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M (A)
    If you read my mock, you'd see that I'm assuming he'll be gone by then.

    Round 2 Pick 12: Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh (A)
    I'm very confident that Donald will be gone by then.

    Round 3 Pick 11: Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Eastern Illinois (A)
    I don't think he'll make it out of Round 2.

    Round 4 Pick 19 (DAL): Marcus Martin, C, Southern California (A)
    Good pick, and he could be there.

    Round 5 Pick 13: Kevin Pierre-Louis, OLB, Boston College (B)
    No problem with that one.

    Round 5 Pick 20 (ARI): Morgan Breslin, OLB, Southern California (B+)
    Mine was a "no trade" mcok, so this pick is irrelevant.

    Round 6 Pick 12: Cameron Fleming, OT, Stanford (C+)
    No opinion.

    Round 7 Pick 11: Phillip Gaines, CB, Rice (D)
    No way he will be there in Round 7.

    Round 7 Pick 14 (DAL): Zach Fulton, OG, Tennessee (E0
    Another trade?

    Round 7 Pick 26: Andre Hal, CB, Vanderbilt (B+)
    Fine (if he's there).
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    Re: Av's Post-Combine/Pre-FA 7 Round Rams Mock (Version 4.0)

    I wouldn't pick any of those guys, and I'm right. Therefore, you're wrong. Just so you know, AV.
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    Re: Av's Post-Combine/Pre-FA 7 Round Rams Mock (Version 4.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Waller View Post
    Sorry, but Gregg Williams and Les Snead and Jeff Fisher are not gonna waste a 3rd rounder in a really good draft on a smallish guy who ran 4.78 and would NEVER start here.
    That's interesting, given that the Rams reportedly met with Borland at both the East/West Shrine Game and the Senior Bowl.

    Guess they were asking him for restaurant recommendations in Madison.

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    Re: Av's Post-Combine/Pre-FA 7 Round Rams Mock (Version 4.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post

    As for the "dart board" comment, perhaps you can tell me why you don't think guys like Gaffney, Matthews, Dowling and Groy would be good fits.
    Do you make it a habit to walk into a bar looking for a brawl?

    Still like the Borland pick.

    Go Rams!
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    Re: Av's Post-Combine/Pre-FA 7 Round Rams Mock (Version 4.0)

    Quote Originally Posted by mde8352gorams View Post
    Do you make it a habit to walk into a bar looking for a brawl?
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    Re: Av's Post-Combine/Pre-FA 7 Round Rams Mock (Version 4.0)

    I know BernieM's not going to like this Mock!
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    Re: Av's Post-Combine/Pre-FA 7 Round Rams Mock (Version 4.0)

    As someone who has been a draftnik since 1970, and has been present at Rams Park during the draft, I can honestly say that I'm in favor of all or some of these picks.
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