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    Bob McGinn's Early look at the NFL draft

    Early look at the NFL draft
    By Bob McGinn of the Journal Sentinel


    Here is a look at how the National Football League draft of 2014 is shaping up based on interviews with three executives in personnel last week. As of early last week, a total of 201 underclassmen had requested evaluations from the NFL's College Advisory Committee. They have until Jan. 15 to declare for the draft.

    RECEIVERS

    The last draft with more than four first-round wide receivers was 2009. After two below-average to poor wideout drafts, this one should be much better.

    "Hypothetically, there are seven first-round projections," one scout said.

    Juniors Sammy Watkins (6-1, 205) of Clemson, Odell Beckham (5-11, 193) of Louisiana State and Marqise Lee (6-0, 195) of Southern California, and redshirt sophomores Mike Evans (6-5, 225) of Texas A&M and Kelvin Benjamin (6-5, 225) of Florida State head the list.

    "Very average as a senior group," said another scout. "The juniors will enhance every position. When you start to see these redshirt sophomores and juniors come out in droves like they have, you're going to rely on them for a draft."

    Watkins has 4.35-second speed in the 40-yard dash and excellent hands.

    "True playmaker and he's a returner as well," one scout said of Watkins." Lee will be one of the top players in the draft. Very good speed. He was injured a lot this year and didn't have quite the numbers you're looking for, but he's a top-10 pick."

    Evans had 65 receptions for 1,322 yards (20.3) and 12 touchdowns.

    "More of a strider but very sure-handed," one scout said. "He's got phenomenal size. He understands how to use his size to post up."

    Beckham is a precise route runner with superb skill after the catch. Benjamin is talented but raw.

    Wisconsin's Jared Abbrederis (6-1, 190) is going to the Senior Bowl after a 73-catch season. He scored 32 on the Wonderlic intelligence test.

    "He's going to be drafted in the third or fourth round but will be a competitive player from Day 1," one scout said. "If he goes to Denver or New England, he may catch 80 balls in his rookie year. He runs good routes. He'll be a slot receiver."

    Juniors Eric Ebron (6-4, 245) of North Carolina, Austin Seferian-Jenkins (6-6, 276) of Washington and Jace Amaro (6-5, 260) of Texas Tech all have first-round shots at tight end.

    "Ebron's a really good athlete," one scout said. "Can run. Outstanding hands. Can run after the catch. He's your receiving tight end. Antonio Gates-like."

    Seferian-Jenkins tends to be more of a receiver as well but has the size to grow into a blocker.

    "He's going to be close to (Rob) Gronkowski, talent-wise," one scout said. "Now he's lazy. Like there's always something with him. But he can be on the line and block."

    Iowa's C.J. Fiedorowicz (6-5˝, 265) might be the best senior and should be gone by the third round.

    Colt Lyerla (6-5, 250) was arrested for cocaine possession in October several weeks after leaving Oregon as a junior.

    "He's the wild card in this whole thing," one scout said. "Extremely talented kid. Is he going to be the Aaron Hernandez kind of player, a first-round talent that somebody got in the fourth? But just a real nightmare in that regard (off the field)."


    OFFENSIVE LINE

    Personnel men don't see a franchise left tackle in the draft but it's still another strong, deep position.

    "There's probably five tackles that can go in the first round," one scout said. "Six if you factor in the Auburn kid.

    "Everybody knows what they get with Jake Matthews. (Cyrus) Kouandjio is a good player. Taylor Lewan's a good player. The other tackle (Cedric Ogbuehi) from Texas A&M is a good player. They're all first-rounders."

    Matthews (6-4˝, 305) is a four-year starter who moved from RT to LT this season. His father, Bruce, was a Hall of Fame offensive lineman.

    "Good, not a great athlete," one scout said. "Really good technician. He's a little soft. Not that he won't be a really good player."

    Michigan's Lewan (6-6˝, 315) is aggressive, sometimes overly so. Alabama's Kouandjio (6-5, 320), a junior, has extremely long arms and is an outstanding pass blocker.

    "The Alabama guy still makes raw mistakes," said one scout. "He's got more up side than Matthews. I think he's smart. He just doesn't have much football background."

    Ogbuehi (6-5, 300), another junior, might have played better at guard in 2012 before moving to RT. "This is a left tackle in the league," one scout said.

    The "Auburn kid" is Greg Robinson (6-5, 315), a redshirt sophomore. After turning in a superb performance against Missouri's Kony Ealy on Dec.7, he might become one of the first offensive linemen to enter the NFL as a redshirt sophomore.

    "He's a stud," said one scout. "Left tackle. You're talking about a ton of athleticism, size, strength. He's not getting a lot of attention because people don't realize he's a redshirt. Not quite sure why (Gene) Chizik redshirted him. I think that was a big mistake. He's in the top 10, 15 easy if he comes out."

    Iowa junior Brandon Scherff (6-5˝, 320) would be another first- or second-round pick if he declares. He'll be a better guard, according to one scout. Junior Antonio Richardson (6-6, 327) of Tennessee isn't consistent but might be a late first-round choice.

    Of the guard and center group, one scout said: "I don't think there's any great players inside. It's not like last year."

    Senior Zack Martin (6-4, 305) of Notre Dame is solid. "Athletic, strong, understands the game," said one scout.

    Mississippi State senior Gabe Jackson (6-3, 340) is a road-grader. "He's not too far off the guards that went first (round) last year," said one scout.

    Senior Cyril Richardson (6-4˝, 335) played in a two-point stance at Baylor but is athletic enough to adjust. Stanford junior David Yankey (6-5, 314) might not be physical enough. UCLA junior Xavier Su'a-Filo (6-3, 305) played tackle but projects inside.

    Probably the top center is Colorado State's Weston Richburg (6-3˝, 302). He's a second-round pick.


    QUARTERBACKS

    With Oregon's Marcus Mariota deciding to return, it looks like a four-way contest to be the first passer taken among senior Derek Carr of Fresno State (6-2˝, 215), juniors Teddy Bridgewater (6-3, 205) of Louisville and Blake Bortles (6-3, 230) of Central Florida, and redshirt sophomore Johnny Manziel (5-11, 210) of Texas A&M.

    Others in the picture are seniors AJ McCarron (6-3˝, 214) of Alabama, Tajh Boyd (6-0˝, 225) of Clemson and Zach Mettenberger (6-5, 235) of LSU.

    "You've got to pick and choose what flavor you want," one scout said. "Do you want the pocket passer? That's Bortles, McCarron, Mettenberger.

    "Or do you want the athlete in Manziel or Bridgewater? There will probably be three in the first. Depends what people think of Johnny Manziel."

    Manziel, who beat Alabama in winning the Heisman Trophy in 2012, was compared by one scout to Hall of Fame scrambler Fran Tarkenton. There are character issues, however, that will put off some teams.

    "He reminds me a little bit of (Joe) Montana," one scout said. "Fluid, and even though he's off-balance he can get the ball out. He's a smaller guy but he has big hands for a little guy. He's fun to watch."

    Bridgewater can throw from the pocket and is an adequate runner. "Not even close to Cam Newton," one scout said. "Skinny son of a buck. He's not as dynamic a runner as everybody thinks."

    Carr's brother, David, was the first pick in the 2002 draft.

    "Tougher than his brother," said one scout. "Pretty athletic. Great arm talent. Even though he hasn't thrown many interceptions he's a little erratic in his decision-making."

    McCarron, said one scout, "has won a bunch of games but doesn't have a great arm." Mettenberger blew out his knee Nov. 29.


    RUNNING BACKS

    One scout said Wisconsin's Melvin Gordon (6-1, 210), a redshirt sophomore, would have been the first back taken before his decision Friday to go back to school.

    "Oh, (expletive)," the scout said Saturday after being informed that Gordon was off the board. "He was first-round good. He's like (the Chargers') Ryan Mathews."

    Earlier in the week, an NFC scout said he could see Gordon being the first back selected but probably not until the second round. An AFC personnel man called Gordon a second-round pick.

    Minus Gordon, it's possible there won't be a first-round running back. There was just one in 1984 and 2011. Green Bay's Eddie Lacy would be the first selected if he had returned for a final season at Alabama, one scout said.

    "Going into the year I was worried about the running back group," said one scout. "I still am."

    Who will be the first to go?

    "Could be a lot of guys," one scout replied. "Could be Carlos Hyde. Could be Ka'Deem Carey. Could be Charles Sims (of West Virginia). Could be Tre Mason. They're all packed together."

    Arizona's Carey (5-10, 207) rushed for 1,716 yards (5.3), Auburn's Mason (5-9, 205) rushed for 1,621 (5.7) and Ohio State's Hyde (5-11˝, 238) rushed for 1,408 (7.7).

    "Hyde's a good player," said one scout. "Just the stuff you hear, you worry about his work ethic."

    Carey is an undersized power back with off-field issues as well.


    DEFENSIVE LINE

    Junior defensive end Jadeveon Clowney (6-5, 274) of South Carolina has been compared to Buffalo's Mario Williams and Chicago's Julius Peppers as a pure talent.

    "He's got it all," one scout said. "Now, the question is, what's underneath the hood? That's the $1 million question everybody will look into."

    Said another scout: "He doesn't play hard all the time. In college, he'd get three guys on him every play. He's still able to make plays whenever he wants to. He might be the first pick."

    The best of the base ends might be Notre Dame junior Stephon Tuitt (6-6, 312). "Probably can play in any scheme," one scout said. "Young kid. Versatile athlete. Just growing into his large frame. He's a first-rounder."

    Undersized pass rushers Trent Murphy (6-5, 261) of Stanford, Demarcus Lawrence (6-3, 245) of Boise State, Chris Smith (6-2˝, 268) of Arkansas and Trevor Reilly (6-4˝, 255) of Utah will start coming into play late in the first round.

    "Murphy led the nation in sacks (14)," one scout said. "He played down but he's really an outside backer. Lawrence can rush the passer. Riley is a tweener."

    Reilley's age (26) will hurt him. Smith had 8˝ sacks as an end in a 4-3 defense but might be better served standing up in a 3-4. Ealy (6-5, 275) came on late in the season and appears able to fit either scheme.

    Notre Dame junior Louis Nix (6-2, 345), described by one scout as the "prototypical nose tackle," looks like a late first-round pick.

    "There's not a lot of big beef," said one scout. "That's why Nix will go high."

    Minnesota's Ra'Shede Hageman (6-5˝, 311) will try to dispel impressions that he's inconsistent and an off-field risk at the Senior Bowl.

    "He's had a really good year," one scout said. "This kid kind of came out of nowhere. When he wants to crank it up he's hard to block at that level. He's a big man with a lot of ability. He would benefit big-time from going to the Senior Bowl and kicking (expletive) for a week."

    Senior Will Sutton (5-11˝, 330) of Arizona State put on too much weight this season.

    "He's probably a little bit puffy," one scout said. "He's got the natural leverage and pretty good balance and pretty good feet. But you've got to worry about his arm length."

    Several players fit the mold of three-technique tackles for 4-3 defenses, including senior Aaron Donald (6-0˝, 285) of Pittsburgh, junior Timmy Jernigan (6-2, 298) of Florida State and senior Dominique Easley (6-1˝, 285) of Florida.

    Easley underwent reconstructive knee surgery Oct. 24. It was his second major knee injury.

    Donald led the country in tackles for loss with 26˝.

    "All Donald does is produce," one scout said. "The old Colts, the old Bucs, they'd like him. But not a lot of people run that anymore. They're going to run right at him when he comes in the game."


    LINEBACKERS

    Alabama senior middle linebacker C.J. Mosley (6-2˝, 232) is the pick of the litter at inside linebacker.

    "Probably more (weak side) in the NFL but he could play inside in a 3-4," one scout said. "Extremely smart. Explosive. Fast. An all-intangible type kid. I think coaches are going to fall in love with him.

    "But, outside of Mosley, the rest of them (inside) are kind of thumper types."

    Junior Denzel Perryman (6-0, 240) of Miami was regarded as a little better athlete and a better player than former "U" middle linebacker Jon Beason, a seven-year NFL starter.

    Florida State senior Christian Jones (6-3˝, 240) can run. Tennessee junior A.J. Johnson (6-2, 243) is talented and productive but there are questions about his ability to handle an NFL system.

    Wisconsin's Chris Borland (5-11˝, 246) is regarded as a much better prospect than Michigan State's Max Bullough (6-2˝, 245).

    "He's the grandson of Hank Bullough," said one scout, referring to the Packers' defensive coordinator from 1988-'91. "Try-hard overachiever. Typical Big Ten guy.

    "There will be teams that fall in love with Chris Borland. Everybody will compare him to that (Chris Spielman). Truth be told, he's short still. He may be a dinosaur at the end of the day."

    Borland has run 40 yards in 4.85 seconds. Bullough's time was 4.80.

    UCLA senior Anthony Barr (6-3, 248) has 10 sacks and 20 tackles for loss. He's a top-10 pick.

    "The guy was a running back until two years ago," one scout said. "Really athletic. He's got pass-rush ability. Some of the toughness stuff is still not there but a great kid, great effort."

    Next on the list outside is Buffalo senior Khalil Mack (6-2˝, 248), a four-year starter.

    "He's better than Barr," said one scout. "He does everything there. He can do whatever he wants. Buffalo was the only team that recruited him."

    Clemson junior Vic Beasley (6-2, 235) and Brigham Young senior Kyle Van Noy (6-3, 235) are hybrids that could fit either scheme.

    "Beasley was on fire with the sacks early and kind of leveled off," one scout said. "He'll have to be an outside backer or maybe a situational pass rusher.

    "You don't want to love Van Noy when you watch him. But then you look at the stat line and all he does is have production."

    Ohio State junior Ryan Shazier (6-2, 230) is a classic "will" linebacker in a 4-3.

    "I don't think he's as tough as Lavonte David but he's going to be faster," said one scout. "He runs like a deer. You'd have to think about him over Mosley. Mosley's a better player (now) but Shazier could be rare."


    DEFENSIVE BACKS

    At least one cornerback has been selected among the top 20 picks in every draft since 2001.

    "Is there a great corner this year?" one scout said. "The guy from Michigan State and the guy from Oklahoma State and the guy from Ohio State are pretty good. But they're 20 to 50."

    The Spartans' Darqueze Dennard (5-11, 197), a senior, and the Cowboys' Justin Gilbert (5-11˝, 200), another senior, both play mostly press coverage.

    "Dennard's game really improved as the season's gone along," one scout said. "Got some size. Gilbert has some size, ball skills. He's just a solid player."

    The Buckeyes' Bradley Roby (5-11, 192) a junior, should work out well at the combine, where his character issues also will be scrutinized.

    "You've got to do your homework on him," said one scout. "But he's an explosive, fast player. Can play man or zone."

    Oregon junior Ifo Ekpre-Olomu (5-10, 185), Virginia Tech senior Kyle Fuller (5-11˝, 194) and Florida junior Loucheiz Purifoy (6-0, 190) are next in line.

    "This is not going to be a great corner group," one scout said. "It really isn't. There's really no dynamic corner this year."

    After teams relished picking from a top-notch safety group in April, this class is inferior.

    The best bet to make the first round as a safety is Ha Ha Clinton-Dix (6-1, 208), a junior from Alabama.

    "He's OK," one scout said. "Tough guy. Pretty instinctive. Just kind of stiff. I'm not sure he's going to run real well."

    Lamarcus Joyner (5-8, 190), a senior from Florida State, played safety as a junior and cornerback as a senior.

    "Flies around a little like Bob Sanders and blows people up," said one scout. "Little stiff for corner but there's (teams) where they can get away with it. He might be the first safety to go."

    Florida State senior Terrence Brooks (5-10˝, 200) could be off the board next, but several scouts projected him to the third round.


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    Re: Bob McGinn's Early look at the NFL draft

    LaMarcus Joyner is going to be a special player. He played CB and S and has looked good at both. He can line up at nickel CB or FS/SS. He's an absolute missile. Kind of reminds me of Shamarko Thomas/Troy Polamalu. This guy absolutely loves to hit. He has unbelievable closing speed too. I would love to see the Rams take him in round 2 to pair with T.J McDonald.


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    Re: Bob McGinn's Early look at the NFL draft

    something something mountain dew, red bull...
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    Quote Originally Posted by shower beers View Post
    something something mountain dew, red bull...
    This one was long too, but at least it was written in English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sosa39rams View Post
    LaMarcus Joyner is going to be a special player. He played CB and S and has looked good at both. He can line up at nickel CB or FS/SS. He's an absolute missile. Kind of reminds me of Shamarko Thomas/Troy Polamalu. This guy absolutely loves to hit. He has unbelievable closing speed too. I would love to see the Rams take him in round 2 to pair with T.J McDonald.
    Size is the knock with him but, man, he sure makes a lot of plays.
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    Re: Bob McGinn's Early look at the NFL draft

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    Size is the knock with him but, man, he sure makes a lot of plays.
    Not worried about it. He plays MUCH bigger than his 5'8 self. I don't think you need to look any further than the Honey Badger in a physical comparison.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sosa39rams View Post
    LaMarcus Joyner is going to be a special player.
    Possibly the best "football player" in all of college football. Not sure how it translates to the NFL and his draft projection is all over the map. Bob Sanders type difference maker.

    Love the quote: Personnel men don't see a franchise left tackle in the draft
    Fans respond : We must draft Matthews to fill a hole.
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    Re: Bob McGinn's Early look at the NFL draft

    I don't know who these "personnel men" are, but I've seen many quotes from commentators who have worked as scouts or GMs who have ranked Matthews at the top of the draft board - in some cases asserting that he's a better prospect than Luke Joekel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RebelYell View Post
    Love the quote: Personnel men don't see a franchise left tackle in the draft
    Fans respond : We must draft Matthews to fill a hole.
    Ironically, the guy the Rams signed this offseason to a big contract to be their franchise left tackle faced questions when he was a prospect about whether he was a franchise left tackle as well.

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    Re: Bob McGinn's Early look at the NFL draft

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    I don't know who these "personnel men" are, but I've seen many quotes from commentators who have worked as scouts or GMs who have ranked Matthews at the top of the draft board - in some cases asserting that he's a better prospect than Luke Joekel.
    I am no expert on Jake Matthews, but one advantage he will bring with him coming into the NFL is his dad. From his days with the Elkins Knights in high school, through to the present, his dad undoubtedly provided Jake with invaluable insights, technique refinements etc., etc.

    Like many O-line prospects entering the draft, (Barett Jones comes to mind) Jake may need a year of hitting the weights, to add more strength and bulk. That said, his bloodlines are what they are. (He is also the cousin of Clay Matthews, a linebacker for the Green Bay Packers and Casey Matthews, a linebacker for the Philadelphia Eagles.)

    It certainly is an enormous boon to have a dad with the credentials Bruce M. possesses. To be coached all through your school years by a Hall of Fame lineman who could play any position on the line, has to provide a huge advantage. This will not be a kid who can't learn the playbook. Rokevious Watkins, Alex Barron, or Jason Smith.

    I would be thrilled if the Rams see fit to take Jake Matthews ..

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    Re: Bob McGinn's Early look at the NFL draft

    Of course he would have to declare, but we might be in a better position with Greg Robinson than Jake Mathews. My logic is after yesterday's injury to Jake Long, we're likely going to need to find way to re-sign Rodger Saffold to play LT until Jake is ready to come back. Once he's back, Saffold either plays RG or RT. Dahl is almost certainly gone due to his cap #. You already have Barksdale on the right side so Robinson who is young could serve as a back-up LT as long as Long is with the team. If you draft Mathews you don't want to sit a 4-year starter for another few years. Of course so much time between now and the draft plus the Combine.

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    Re: Bob McGinn's Early look at the NFL draft

    Thanks Nick.

    Auburn kid Greg Robinson is an interesting player. Fisher I'm sure has the book on him. I could see us moving back if we have the 2nd pick to load up on draft picks. Take Mike Evans around 12 and then Greg Robinson with our own pick if we are picking 22nd after we beat the Hawks.
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    Re: Bob McGinn's Early look at the NFL draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    Ironically, the guy the Rams signed this offseason to a big contract to be their franchise left tackle faced questions when he was a prospect about whether he was a franchise left tackle as well.
    I have absolutely no idea what you think this proves.

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    Re: Bob McGinn's Early look at the NFL draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Rambos View Post
    Thanks Nick.

    Auburn kid Greg Robinson is an interesting player. Fisher I'm sure has the book on him. I could see us moving back if we have the 2nd pick to load up on draft picks. Take Mike Evans around 12 and then Greg Robinson with our own pick if we are picking 22nd after we beat the Hawks.
    If we trade back and miss out on Matthews I could see this kid brought in with the pick we traded down to.

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