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    Bradford, Okung, Dez Bryant which would improve our offense the most?

    I am not sure that drafting a QB will be the biggest upgrade for our offense over the next three years. Donít get me wrong I would like to have Bradford instead of Bulger for future growth but QB may not help as much as addressing other positions. Dez Bryant could be a number one WR and I am not sure we even have a decent number two wide receiver right now. Russell Okung might be the best OT on the team if we drafted him. J. Smith has potential and upside but even if he reaches that potential we will need another OT and Barron donít look like a long term solution. We improved some last year on the OL but we still have a ways to go to be a good OL. For those reasons I wonder if drafting a QB will make the biggest difference for this team or if improved line play and better WRs will make the biggest difference. Do you think that Dez Bryant or Russell Okung could improve our offense more then Bradford? We could have Bulger or another QB (FA or Trade) with a weapon or a protector both of which has been lacking. I donít like Bulgers lack of fire but I also think he can be an affective QB if he has an OL that can protect or a decent receiver. Bulger has had zero WR passing weapons as of late and a below average OL for the last 6 seasons.

    Peyton Manning is a great Quarterback and has started every single game since he was drafted thatís 192 games. However his durability can also be attributed to having a good OL as well. In 2006 the first and only time Bulger started all 16 games he got sacked 49 times. Manning over his last four years was sacked just 59 times in 64 games. The following shows how many sacks Manning has had compared to Bulger since 2004. It shows that Peyton averaged getting sacked 14.83 times per 16 games while Bulger averaged more then three times that amount. Bulger was sacked on average 44.93 times per 16 games.

    2004-2009 Sack Comparison:
    Peyton
    96 Games
    89 Sacks
    .93 Sacks per game
    14.83 Sacks per 16 Games

    Bulger
    73 Games
    205 Sacks
    2.81 Sacks per game
    44.93 Sacks per 16 Games
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    Re: Bradford, Okung, Dez Bryant which would improve our offense the most?

    Next three years? Bryant would probably be abigger upgrade then Bradford for a year... but if BRadford is the real deal (franchise QB) there's no way that Bryant is better then him.

    I'll take it a step further, if Bradford turns out to be that franchise QB I wouldn't even trade him for a young Isaac Bruce. QBs are just so much more valuable. Drafting Okung would be pointless.

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    Re: Bradford, Okung, Dez Bryant which would improve our offense the most?

    Quote Originally Posted by helorm341 View Post
    Next three years? Bryant would probably be abigger upgrade then Bradford for a year... but if BRadford is the real deal (franchise QB) there's no way that Bryant is better then him.

    I'll take it a step further, if Bradford turns out to be that franchise QB I wouldn't even trade him for a young Isaac Bruce. QBs are just so much more valuable. Drafting Okung would be pointless.
    You argument dont make since that Bryant would only be a bigger upgrade for one year. Upgrade over the player they are replacing is what upgrade means. It sounds like you failed to recognize that. Because it sounds like you are comparing the players to each other vs. how much of an upgrade the players would be over who they replace. Bradford would replace Bulger and both are similar IMO neither has good arm strength and both were known for their accuracy. Bryant would be our #1 WR when all we have now is a slew of #3 and #4 WRs. So how would Bryant be more of an upgrade for only 1 year? Who else on the Rams would step up and close that gap between Bryant and the rest of the WRs in year two? If that was the case Bradford would have to totally excell in year two over Bulger and we woud need a WR on the Rams to close the gap on Bryant in year two?

    Franchise QB???? What does that really mean?? Its just a buz word everyone uses instead of evaluating the players talents. Does franchise QB mean you have the arm strength to throw the deep ball like Manning or Favre if so then Bradford is eliminated from contention. While he is very accurate in short and mid range throws he lacks good arm strength. As for not drafting Okung look at how many times Bulger was laying horizontal on the ground compared to Manning. A good OL makes all the difference in the world Manning rarely gets sacked. I watched several of their games since my family are Colts fans. He has a lot of time in the pocket and if he got sacked like Bulger he would not be nearly as affective. Bulger got sacked more then three times as much as Manning. Bradford reminds me tool wise of a younger Bulger with a personality more suited for a QB. He is starting to look like Bulger as well with his injuries in college. I imagine he will look the same as Bulger when he is sacked and laying flat on his back because he had no WR to thow to and a below average OL.
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    Re: Bradford, Okung, Dez Bryant which would improve our offense the most?

    Settle down man, the question was simply who improves the offence the most.
    Helorm was just sayin that a wr would have more impact the first year, the second year and onwards once Bradford finds his feet, he would make the bigger impact.

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    Re: Bradford, Okung, Dez Bryant which would improve our offense the most?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Dave View Post
    Settle down man, the question was simply who improves the offence the most.
    Helorm was just sayin that a wr would have more impact the first year, the second year and onwards once Bradford finds his feet, he would make the bigger impact.
    Actually here is what he said:
    if BRadford is the real deal (franchise QB) there's no way that Bryant is better then him.
    The question was not who would be the better player it was who would improve the team more. He was comparing the two players to each other instead of how much of an upgrade they would be over the players they replace. Bradford replacing Bulger or Dez Bryant replacing a bunch of #3 WRs as the #1 WR. Which would improve the team the most over the next three years is not the same as who is the better player.

    Lets say the Colts had their choice between Bradford and Bryant who would make the biggest impact and improve thier team the most? Its easy Bryant because Bradford would not be better then Manning the guy he would have to replace and Bryant would likely be better then one of thier WRs so Bryant would have the bigger impact. This is where the post was messed up in his response he was comparing Bradford and Bryants talents instead of comparing the people they would replace and the impact of that on the team.
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    Re: Bradford, Okung, Dez Bryant which would improve our offense the most?

    The vibe I get from Bryant is that he could very well be the next T.O.--with all the problems associated. And no guarantees he performs in the first year anyway. A lot of receivers hit their stride in year two or three.

    Okung? Okay, maybe. Normally teams wouldn't pay two tackles that kind of money, but as long as there's no cap it's viable. Then we're betting on Bulger's last stand here. Long-term we probably can't pay two guys that kind of money at tackle, but if Okung and Smith both panned out, we could use one as trade bait. The problem is that even if we could deal one of them, we're probably not getting a top five pick or better in trade.

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    Re: Bradford, Okung, Dez Bryant which would improve our offense the most?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenfleece View Post
    The vibe I get from Bryant is that he could very well be the next T.O.--with all the problems associated. And no guarantees he performs in the first year anyway. A lot of receivers hit their stride in year two or three.

    Okung? Okay, maybe. Normally teams wouldn't pay two tackles that kind of money, but as long as there's no cap it's viable. Then we're betting on Bulger's last stand here. Long-term we probably can't pay two guys that kind of money at tackle, but if Okung and Smith both panned out, we could use one as trade bait. The problem is that even if we could deal one of them, we're probably not getting a top five pick or better in trade.
    Thats a far stretch to say that he is the next T.O. and saying that he will not perform in his first year. He is likely to perform better here for our team in his first year with Bulger throwing him the ball then Bradford would throwing to our slew of #3 and #4 WRs.

    Really it was one simple question of which people are not addressing. Here is the title of this post: "Bradford, Okung, Dez Bryant which would improve our offense the most?"
    In the OP I asked which player would improve the team the most over the next three years. I dont think you attempted to answer that question. Which would be the biggest improvement for this team in your opinion? If you are eluding to Bradford then you are saying that Bradford replacing Bulger would be a bigger improvement for this team over the next three years then Okung would be for the OL or Dez Bryant would be as our #1 WR replacing our slew of #3 and #4 WR's.

    Dez Bryants last 16 games:
    104 Receptions
    1803 yards
    23 TDs
    113 Yard per game
    17.3 Yards per catch
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    Re: Bradford, Okung, Dez Bryant which would improve our offense the most?

    Quote Originally Posted by RamsSB99 View Post
    Really it was one simple question of which people are not addressing. Here is the title of this post: "Bradford, Okung, Dez Bryant which would improve our offense the most?"
    In the OP I asked which player would improve the team the most over the next three years. I dont thin you attempted to answer that question. Which would be the biggest improvement for this team in your opinion. If you are eluding to Bradford then you are saying that Bradford replacing Bulger would be a bigger improvement for this team over the next three years then Okung would be for the OL or Dez Bryant would be as our #1 WR replacing our slew of #3 and #4 WR's.

    Dez Bryants last 16 games:
    104 Receptions
    1803 yards
    23 TDs
    113 Yard per game
    17.3 Yards per catch
    I dont think you want people to give their opinion, I think you just want a whole bunch of people to agree with you that Bryant would improve the team.

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    Re: Bradford, Okung, Dez Bryant which would improve our offense the most?

    Quote Originally Posted by 01d 0rd3r View Post
    I dont think you want people to give their opinion, I think you just want a whole bunch of people to agree with you that Bryant would improve the team.
    I do want people to give thier opinion about the question I asked. Has anyone stated a reason as to who they think would improve the team the most and why? Just taking those three players only and adding one of them to the current team which would make this team better over the next three years? You have to take into account who they would be replacing.

    Maybe instead of saying what I think why dont you read the question and answer it.
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    Re: Bradford, Okung, Dez Bryant which would improve our offense the most?

    Quote Originally Posted by RamsSB99 View Post
    Has anyone stated a reason as to who they think would improve the team the most and why? Just taking those three players only and add them to the current team which would make this team better over the next three years? You have to take into account who they would be replacing.

    Maybe instead of saying what I think why dont you read the question and answer it.
    Ok fine, Bradford will Improve the team most over the course of his career. In a westcoast offense with receivers running medium to short length routes, Bradford's accuracy and quick release will allow him to succeed far more then either Bryant or Okung. With a decent line constructed, and speedy and agile receivers, Bradford will be a multiple Probowl QB that will lead us into the Playoffs within 3 years. Thats what I think will happen if we draft Bradford, and fill in the space around him over the next year or so.

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    Re: Bradford, Okung, Dez Bryant which would improve our offense the most?

    Bradford would and heres the reason why. The OL can be attributed to some sacks. But once Bradford gets his feet and knows the offense he will be fine. West Coast is built around 3-5 step drops back and quick release and accuracy. Bradford has all of those tools. Bulger recently hasnt been able to do such. Bradford cant get sacked in quick passes. Add Steven Jackson as a running threat, along with a decent young line (we arent having the same O line as we have these past 5 years, its better) hes going to be the best.

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    Re: Bradford, Okung, Dez Bryant which would improve our offense the most?

    Quote Originally Posted by 01d 0rd3r View Post
    Ok fine, Bradford will Improve the team most over the course of his career. In a westcoast offense with receivers running medium to short length routes, Bradford's accuracy and quick release will allow him to succeed far more then either Bryant or Okung. With a decent line constructed, and speedy and agile receivers, Bradford will be a multiple Probowl QB that will lead us into the Playoffs within 3 years. Thats what I think will happen if we draft Bradford, and fill in the space around him over the next year or so.
    Not once did you compare them to the players they would be replacing. Again you missed the whole point you compared Bradford to Bryant and Okung saying he would succeed more instead of saying which would improve the team more. To prove your point you would have to say that he is such a bigger upgrade over Bulger then Bryant is over the WR's or Okung is over our other OL that he would improve the team more over the next three years.
    So you are saying Bradford is that much better then Bulger skill wise and that our current WR's who would be lucky to be #3 and #4 WRs are speedy and agile. You are saying that Bryant in place of our no name WR's is not as much of an upgrade as Bradford is over Bulger?

    * Note the reason I say no name WR's is because we don't have a #1 WR and we don't even know at this point who our best WR is out of a bunch of guys that would be #3 and #4 WRs on several teams.

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    Re: Bradford, Okung, Dez Bryant which would improve our offense the most?

    To clarify my position then, I would say Bradford improves our offense the most. We already have a left tackle and can find a suitable right tackle in the mid-rounds (which is pretty typical around the league). We don't have a star receiver, but I'm concerned that Bryant doesn't have the commitment to take his game to the next level. I compare him to T.O. because some of the stories I've read have suggested that even Deion Sanders just about quit dealing with him because he had a tendency to blow off meetings. Too much of a diva for "Prime Time" is just too much of a diva.

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    Re: Bradford, Okung, Dez Bryant which would improve our offense the most?

    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerman1011 View Post
    Bradford would and heres the reason why. The OL can be attributed to some sacks. But once Bradford gets his feet and knows the offense he will be fine. West Coast is built around 3-5 step drops back and quick release and accuracy. Bradford has all of those tools. Bulger recently hasnt been able to do such. Bradford cant get sacked in quick passes. Add Steven Jackson as a running threat, along with a decent young line (we arent having the same O line as we have these past 5 years, its better) hes going to be the best.
    Thank you for comparing Bulger to Bradford. You say the West Coast is built around quick release and accuracy which is what Bulger was known for and you say that he hasn't been able to do that anymore. Why is that? I think it has to do with him no longer having Bruce, Holt, and Proehl type WR's and he has a bunch of #3 and #4 WR's instead. I dont see Bradford improving the team much more then Bulger behind this OL with these weak WR's. I could see him improving the team and I like his personality better but I don't see him improving more then Bryant would as our #1 WR with Bulger throwing to him. I would rather have Bulger throwing to Dez Bryant then I would Bradford throwing to our slew of #3 and #4 type WRs.

    I would still rate our OL as slightly below average as well we have not had deep routes since Martz and we are still getting sacked often. Part of that though is we dont have WRs that can run good routes and get open.
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    Re: Bradford, Okung, Dez Bryant which would improve our offense the most?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenfleece View Post
    To clarify my position then, I would say Bradford improves our offense the most. We already have a left tackle and can find a suitable right tackle in the mid-rounds (which is pretty typical around the league). We don't have a star receiver, but I'm concerned that Bryant doesn't have the commitment to take his game to the next level. I compare him to T.O. because some of the stories I've read have suggested that even Deion Sanders just about quit dealing with him because he had a tendency to blow off meetings. Too much of a diva for "Prime Time" is just too much of a diva.
    Again you never compared Bradford to Bulger. So I guess you do believe Bradford could run this offense much better then Bulger with the same WR's we have now but you never told me why you believe that he would be that much better. I still believe Bulger with a healthy line and Dez Bryant would be a much bigger improvement IMO.

    You are entitled to you opinion and concerns about Bryant. The kid had a rough family background and lied to the NCAA about meeting with Sanders because he thought it might get him in trouble when in actuality it did not break league rules. But for lying to them he got suspended. I am not saying he did not make some poor decisions but I dont see the comparison to T.O. I have never heard of him pulling a sharpie from his uniform, or complain or fight with his teammates and coaches.
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