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    Bradford vs. Clausen from ClausenFootball (aka WalterFootball)

    Interesting article about the two prospects, comparing them in over 20 categories.


    I personally do not agree with many of these assessments, and Walterfootball has been known all year to incredibly favor Clausen. Which means that this article has many biased reasonings. Still, some are correct.



    Jimmy Clausen vs. Sam Bradford: Who's the Better Prospect?
    By Matt McGuire


    One hot 2010 NFL Draft debate is whether Jimmy Clausen or Sam Bradford will be the better NFL quarterback. Comparing all of the attributes of the two signal-callers is the best way to truly analyze this debate. Below is a player profile for both Clausen and Bradford, including a comparison of 21 attributes.

    Jimmy Clausen Profile: Clausen came into Notre Dame as one of the most hyped quarterback prospects ever. He was the consensus No. 1 prospect in the country, but rubbed many off with his diva demeanor as an 18-year-old kid.

    Clausen was recruited by all the top schools, but chose Notre Dame because of one man: Charlie Weis. Weis coached up one of the greatest ever in Tom Brady and won multiple Super Bowls in New England. Clausen had a rough start to his career in South Bend - however, this should be expected from a very young quarterback in a West Coast offense.

    Clausen showed solid improvement in his sophomore season starting every game, but was hampered by a poor offensive coordinator who was eventually fired. Clausen struggled with mediocre talent around him - particularly on the offensive line. As a junior, Clausen had an outstanding campaign and really lived up to all of his potential and then some. He played most of the year with torn tendons in his toe and displayed toughness that you rarely see out of college players.

    Some question Clausen's leadership as a teammate, but his head coach and teammates have raved about him. Clausen played under center a lot in college and this will benefit him greatly early in his NFL career.

    Sam Bradford Profile: Sam Bradford wasn't a very heavily recruited prospect out of Oklahoma City, but he came to Norman and redshirted his true freshman year. In his redshirt freshman season, he started every game and dominated very early in the season. Bradford finished his freshman campaign completing 70 percent of his passes for more than 3,100 yards and 36 touchdowns to only eight interceptions.

    Bradford ran the no-huddle offense as a sophomore, which then inflated his statistics. As a junior, he couldn't stay healthy and missed the majority of the season. Bradford's calling card is his elite level of accuracy.

    Circumstances Breakdown: Jimmy Clausen played in a West Coast offense with little talent around him. Sure, he had Michael Floyd, Kyle Rudolph and Golden Tate as a junior, but Floyd and Rudolph were on the field together for only four games. Clausen had no running game, defense, and little pass protection.

    Sam Bradford, on the other hand, had three All-Big 12 offensive linemen as a freshman and four as a sophomore including receivers such as Malcolm Kelly, Jermaine Gresham, Juaquin Iglesias, and Manuel Johnson - not to mention one of the best defenses in the nation against far inferior competition in the Big XII.

    Bradford had a huge advantage operating in a shotgun spread offense for most of his career. He was rarely touched under center and simply didn't overcome much adversity when compared to Clausen. When Bradford didn't have an NFL offensive line in front of him as a junior, he was very quickly injured and showed highly questionable durability.

    I ask you this - do you honestly think Bradford would have been as productive if he played at Notre Dame with no offensive line, running game or defense? I doubt it. Still, Bradford is a very talented quarterback and he is certainly not entirely a product of the system or talent around him. I just need to make it clear that these different circumstances (talent, offensive scheme, etc.) are taken into account in these evaluations.

    Intermediate Accuracy: I give both quarterbacks extremely high marks for their intermediate accuracy. Jimmy Clausen places the ball in front of his receiver to maximize the yards after the catch. Receivers don't have to adjust often, and Clausen shows very good touch. Bradford also has an elite level of intermediate accuracy and really excels on the out route. Not many differences here, but Clausen throws a better slant and Bradford throws a superior fade.

    Edge: Push


    Deep Accuracy: I have to give Sam Bradford the edge here - however you just have to wonder how much better his accuracy would be if he had Notre Dame's offensive line; his accuracy simply won't be as good in the NFL because he won't have the passing lanes or time that he did at Oklahoma. Clausen tends to hang the ball up a bit, but that is not much of a concern to me. Bradford has Greg Maddux-type accuracy deep. Clausen is very good in this area, but again, Bradford throws a consistent deep ball and sets the receiver up to track it on time without much adjustment.

    Edge: Bradford

    Arm Strength: Jimmy Clausen isn't Matt Stafford, but then again Peyton Manning doesn't have Stafford's arm either. Clausen has a very strong arm and at times he will just put the ball out on a frozen rope on the 18-yard comeback, out and post. He can fit the ball in tight windows and throws the ball with velocity without sacrificing touch. Sam Bradford has an average arm by NFL standards; he reminds me of Eli Manning. Manning can make the throws, but any Giant fan will tell you he doesn't have a strong arm. If Bradford doesn't get the ball out early, he'll struggle to fit into the tighter windows at the next level.

    Edge: Clausen

    Decision-Making: No issues with Clausen here - he is an elite decision-maker. He had a 7:1 touchdown-intercpetion ratio in a West Coast offense as a junior, which is just incredible. He does a great job of taking what the defense gives him, but he also isn't overly conservative as a checkdown machine. Sam Bradford is a great decision-maker too, but decisions are more easily made when you have an All-Big XII offensive line blocking for you in a shotgun spread. Clausen understands how to read coverage and had great tutelage under Charlie Weis. You can spout off Bradford's statistics all you want and yes they are better than Clausen's, but there is uncertainty with Bradford here at the next level that you just don't have with Clausen.

    Edge: Clausen

    Release: Clausen has a bit of a three-quarter release, but plenty of quarterbacks in the NFL excel if they drop it down a little lower. His motion is very compact and extremely quick. He does a great job of getting hip torque in the throw to maximize power and speed of getting the ball out. Bradford short arms the ball a little bit for me, which takes some power off his throws. He has a quick release, but Clausen seems to generate more power out of his motion.

    Edge: Clausen

    Footwork: Clausen really improved this as a junior, but at times it is a little shaky. Sam Bradford should have better feet as he gets acclimated to working under center. At times, Clausen will be off balance or out of alignment, throwing off his accuracy. Slight edge to Bradford in this area.

    Edge: Bradford

    Awareness: At times, Clausen will be too sensitive to the pass rush and get the ball slightly earlier than he should and do a better job letting routes develop. Bradford seems to have a better sense for the pocket, but Clausen also does a good job stepping up or outside to get the throw off. I'm a little uncertain here with Bradford because he always had an elite offensive line in front of him, but I see a couple minor issues here with Clausen.

    Edge: Bradford

    Size: Clausen is close to 6-3 at 222 pounds. Sam Bradford is slightly taller than 6-4 and has bulked up to 236 pounds carrying the weight well. Size isn't an issue for Clausen, but Bradford is obviously closer to the prototype (which would be a Josh Freeman). Clausen's hand size is below average.

    Edge: Bradford



    Football I.Q: For those who don't know, football intelligence is the little things a player does that shows a very profound knowledge for the game. For example, throwing the ball away when you are outside the pocket and all receivers are blanketed displays impressive football I.Q. Being aware of a first down marker for an offensive skill position player is football I.Q. Knowing the four- and two-minute offense and being aware of how to use timeouts is football I.Q. Understanding pass protection and its audible is critical for offensive linemen and quarterbacks.

    Jimmy Clausen grades out at an extremely high level in this area. He understands the nuances of the West Coast offense, and while Bradford doesn't have a low football I.Q. he just never benefitted from learning under Charlie Weis. I love how Clausen makes extremely quick decisions, shows an impressive knowledge of the 2-minute offense under pressure and throws the ball away very quickly when he's supposed to.

    Edge: Clausen

    Competitiveness: This is a very difficult intangible to measure, but Clausen wins with flying colors. I just can't give this to Bradford. Sure he won more in college, but he also had an All-Big XII offensive line, great receivers and one of the best defenses in the country. Clausen really won me over by having four comeback victories last year including a game-winning drive against Purdue on a bad toe... and he didn't even take one snap prior in the second half!

    After being down by 20 points against USC in the fourth quarter, Clausen brought back Notre Dame to the point where they were a yard away from tying the game. I just don't see the same kind of fire and ice-in-veins that I see in Bradford when the game is one the line. Bradford is competitive, but Clausen proved last season he's on a different level in this area when faced with much more adversity.

    Edge: Clausen

    Work Ethic: Both Bradford and Clausen work very hard off the field, and they will win the respect of their teammates in this area.

    Edge: Push

    Leadership: Notre Dame players and coaches raved about Clausen's leadership. You would see him on the sidelines encouraging his teammates when he was injured against Purdue. He took charge as the field general and really carried the team. Bradford also has great leadership and can certainly lead a franchise in this department.

    Edge: Push

    Toughness: When Sam Bradford sprained his shoulder against BYU, he didn't return and play through the pain. Jimmy Clausen tore two ligaments in his right big toe against Michigan State in the second quarter, but still managed to finish the game. He also played the remaining nine games in the season on what was diagnosed as a turf toe. You can't get much mentally tougher than this - think Philip Rivers. Bradford was also rarely hit at Oklahoma because of his great offensive line and playing in the spread.

    Edge: Clausen

    Durability: If you can play nine games on a bad toe, which is extremely painful especially for a quarterback because that's how he generates power from his lower body, then you are very durable. Bradford demonstrated little to no durability at Oklahoma.

    Edge: Clausen



    Production: I'm not going to hold the spread offense against Bradford at Oklahoma in terms of production. He did as well as he could. I'm also not going to hold Clausen accountable for his first two years at Notre Dame because you shouldn't expect a freshman or sophomore to thrive in a West Coast offense because it's much more difficult to execute. Clausen had outstanding production as a junior with a poor offensive line, defense and running game. So you think he had "great receivers?" Kyle Rudolph and Michael Floyd missed a combine eight games. Bradford had a much better supporting cast, but I'm not holding that against him here.

    Edge: Push

    Mobility: Clausen has decent mobility. I don't think he's a very fluid athlete, but he will step out of the pocket to make a throw if he needs to. Bradford is a little better with his pocket presence and getting outside the pocket.

    Edge: Bradford

    NFL-Readiness: Clausen made NFL coverage reads and was an elite decision-maker in the same offense Tom Brady played in. He has great field vision and is highly comfortable dropping back under center. Bradford will have a learning curve at the next level. I also think Clausen had more adversity at Notre Dame when you consider an inferior supporting cast (especially on the offensive line) and therefore is more equipped to psychologically handle the rigors of an NFL season. Bradford played under center some as a freshman, but he executed a relatively simple offense against Big XII defenses with an elite supporting cast. He'll struggle in his first year or two, while I think Clausen can produce right away if he gets a solid offensive line.

    Edge: Clausen

    Upside: When I evaluate a quarterback's upside, arm strength is the biggest variable. A very good arm can allow a quarterback to fit a ball through very tight windows and make up for being a split-second slow in progression reads. Bradford is a little more athletic and is a little bigger, but Clausen is by no means small and definitely has an NFL-frame. Sure, Bradford might have more room to grow as a quarterback, but that isn't fair to Clausen. Are you better off not being polished as opposed to being pre-packaged ready? I also think Clausen's intangible makeup (competitiveness, toughness) gives him more upside than Bradford.

    Edge: Clausen

    Touch: Both quarterbacks throw a tight spiral, and know when to let the ball go. They know when to take a little velocity off the ball to help out their receivers.

    Edge: Push

    Timing: Clausen has a major edge here because he has the footwork and under-center experience. He also understands the details of a West Coast offense more than Bradford. He also does a better job of getting the ball out before the receiver breaks into his route. Bradford isn't bad in this area, but there is room for him to develop.

    Edge: Clausen

    Athleticism: Bradford looks a little more natural running in the open field and seems to have more flexibility. Unfortunately, we don't have the measurable on Clausen due to injury to compare to Bradford. On tape, Bradford is without a doubt the better athlete, but I maintain that athleticism is a little overrated at the quarterback position (look at Peyton/Eli Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, etc. None of these guys are great athletes).

    Edge: Bradford

    Verdict: Clausen's biggest advantages over Bradford include arm strength (one of the most important for a quarterback), competitiveness, toughness and durability. Bradford's biggest edges are size, mobility and athleticism. In my comparison of 21 quarterback attributes, Clausen wins 10-6, with five ties.
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    Re: Bradford vs. Clausen from ClausenFootball (aka WalterFootball)Interesting article

    I just read that, they give Clausen the edge in all the attributes that are all incredibly debatable.

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    Re: Bradford vs. Clausen from ClausenFootball (aka WalterFootball)Interesting article

    ok all I have to say is that most of those "ties" should go to Bradford...

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    Re: Bradford vs. Clausen from ClausenFootball (aka WalterFootball)Interesting article

    Judging by his comments, I'd say he's barely seen at least Bradford play, maybe Clausen too. His comments reek of re-hashed media analysis without first-hand knowledge.

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    Re: Bradford vs. Clausen from ClausenFootball (aka WalterFootball)Interesting article

    Maybe we should just draft the entire Oklahoma offensive line, since according to this guy they are the only reason Bradford is good at anything.

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    Re: Bradford vs. Clausen from ClausenFootball (aka WalterFootball)Interesting article

    I thought I'd post my own little tidbit since I am bored right now on what I've seen from the QB's. I haven't seen every snap, but I did try to watch ND play a lot since I thought Clausen might be our pick, and I've gone back and watched as much of Bradford as I could find/have time for.

    Intermediate Accuracy : Clausen more often than you'd like over-throws open receivers, forcing them to stop and jump, or re-adjust to the ball. Bradford does so on occasion, but no where near as much. Watching Clausen I was very unimpressed with his ability to hit receivers in stride when he had time in the pocket and the receiver was open. Bradford impresses however as he constantly hits receivers with no adjustment needed.

    Edge: Bradford

    Deep Accuracy : Clausen launches it, but then his receivers have to go get it, he doesn't hit them in stride or on their routes, they have to readjust. Bradford doesn't always hit on strides or routes, but does so more often than Clausen at least. It's hard for anyone to be super accurate from that distance, but Bradford does it better.

    Edge: Bradford

    Arm Strength: This one is hard to measure, as people say Bradford's arm is stronger now. However, Walterfootball over-rates Clausen as much better, he is better I think, but not by as much as he stated.

    Edge: Clausen

    Decision Making: I think he over-plays the TD-Ints ratio too much. Clausen shouldn't have a lot ints in a west coast offense, and so many of his long balls were floaters, his ints would go up in the NFL a lot. I personally did not see a lot of great decisions by him, but not too many bad ones. His decision making was sort of helped by the offensive scheme. I would say the same about Bradford, decision making was easy in the system. It should be noted that both systems still require the offensive players to read the defensive and adjust their routes accordingly, even if the spread doesn't involve much in the way of progressions.

    Edge: Push

    Release : One of the biggest parts I disagree with. Bradford has a short but powerful windup and a fast release. Clausen looks like he takes an extra 1/10-2/10th of a second to get the ball out, his windup is larger, and it takes him longer to get the ball out, particularly on deep routes. 1/10 of a second is all you need for that CB to cover those last 3 or 4 yards, and eliminates a lot of the small arm strength differentials on short routes.

    Edge: Bradford

    Footwork : To be honest I am not sure. I did find it funny he gave Bradford an edge here, but then later mentioned Clausen had better footwork. wtf man?

    Edge: Push, but only because I am not really sure who is better, footwork is not something I know enough about to evaluate fairly.

    Awareness: I actually reverse directions on this one and give the edge to Clausen. I think Clausen did a better job of reading blitzs and being aware of when the pocket was collapsing. It isn't that Bradford did poorly at this, I just liked what I saw from Clausen better in terms of understanding how much time he had left.

    Edge: Clausen

    Size: In addition to Clausen being over-all smaller, he measured in with the smallest hands of any QB at the draft. That's a big problem if you ask me. Not only did Clausen have trouble holding on to the ball in bad weather, but we've gone through a small-handed QB before, Mr. Fumbles, er, Tony Banks. Clausen has adequate size, but Bradford is more prototypical, but the small hands thing kills me.

    Edge: Bradford

    Football I.Q.: I think it was a mistake to assume Clausen had higher football IQ just from Charlie Weis. The problem is, this is super hard to measure unless you talk to the QB and use the chalkboard, you can't just watch film. There are too many assumptions one has to make to judge this, and by all accounts Bradford is extremely well-versed in running an offense, but I won't give the edge to either because it isn't something I feel anyone can know.

    Edge: Push

    Competitiveness: I have no doubts Clausen is very competitive, but I don't see how he assumes that since Bradford was on a better team, he was less competitive. First, Bradford was a big reason they were successful, he wasn't just a minor cog, he was a major part. Also, this guy had to fight his way up from scout team to first team. If a guy like that isn't competitive, he doesn't get off scout team. You don't have to be yelling and screaming to be competitive. Bradford faced plenty of adversity to make first team, and go from also-ran to one of the best QBs in the nation. Again, you don't do that if you aren't competitive.

    Edge: Push

    Work ethic: Again something you can't know just from watching tape, you'd have to be in practice and the film room with these guys.

    Edge: Push

    Leadership: See above.

    Edge: Push

    Toughness: I'll give Clausen all kinds of credit for playing through turf toe, but to say Bradford isn't tough is a bit of a joke. He must not have seen the guy play. Sure he didn't get hit a lot, but he got absolutely mauled a couple of times and got right back up and kept playing without any hesitation. Bradford tried to play on the injured shoulder, apparently against medical advice (I have no source for this). The guy is plenty tough, it just wasn't an injury he was capable of playing on.

    Edge: Push

    Durability: I'll mark Bradford down a bit for the shoulder surgeries, but I am marking Clausen down too. Turf toe can become a perpetual and large problem for an NFL player. The fact you can play through it for a while doesn't make you durable. This one was of his worst paragraphs because basically he says, Clausen is tough, therefore he is durable. Not the same thing. I will still give him the edge though, as his injury was less serious, but Walterfootball should keep in mind the shoulder was the only thing that made Bradford sit out.

    Edge: Clausen

    Production: I'll give a push here, they were in different conferences on different teams in different schemes, I think it would be unfair to judge them by their production, it just isn't a good measuring stick for NFL success here.

    Edge: Push

    Mobility: Neither QB is incredibly mobile, but at least enough to buy an extra second of time here and there, but I will agree Bradford shows a little more ability to escape the pocket.

    Edge: Bradford

    NFL Readiness: Bradford played under center more than people like Walterfootball care to admit, because they like to stress the spread and pretend he never took a snap under center. However, Clausen is definitely more NFL ready.

    Edge: Clausen

    Upside: I have to disagree here. Bradford shows the elite level accuracy and quick release needed to be successful at the NFL. Clausen has a (slightly) slower release and I would say only slightly above average accuracy. The fact Clausen was playing in a pro-style offense already suggests to me he was nearing his ceiling in college. Overall I just see more in Bradford that I want out of an NFL QB than I do in Clausen, but we value things differently. Walterfootball values arm-strength, and I value accuracy.

    Edge: Bradford

    Touch: I actually still give the edge to Bradford, because his roll out throws have better spirals and more accuracy than Clausen. I think the both throw nice spirals from the pocket, but Bradford throws better on the run.

    Edge: Bradford

    Timing: This paragraph is terrible too. Clausen is better because he is in a WCO? How about we try watching the films. Bradford's timing is almost perfect. He hits his receivers just as they turn their heads. This makes no sense to me, he clearly wasn't watching film, or wasn't understanding what he was watching and just posting who had the edge based on who he felt should have edge. Clausen clearly has good timing or he would have thrown more ints, but to just give him a huge edge for playing pro-style? That's ridiculous, timing is about the QB's ability to understand the defense and his receivers, not the type of offense he is in.

    Edge: Push

    Athleticism: Not that important, so I won't even give Bradford a point here even though he wins. You don't need to be a great athlete to be a QB, you just need the arm, accuracy, and smarts. You can be as mobile as a telephone pole and be successful.

    Edge: Push

    Verdict: Bradford - 7 Clausen - 4
    With a whole lot of pushes. Feel free to disagree with me!
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    Re: Bradford vs. Clausen from ClausenFootball (aka WalterFootball)Interesting article

    I'm confused. If Bradford has better deep accuracy, how is Clausen supposed to have the stronger arm?

    On decision-making, the author is quick to quote statistics for Clausen, only to admit that Bradford would win any statistical comparison.

    The author admits that Bradford has the quicker, more compact release and still gives the edge to Clausen.

    I don't think you can grade football IQ without actually hearing the two talk football. A good teacher obviously does not guarantee a good student.

    I'll give Clausen the toughness/durability thing for playing through injury. That, at least, would seem fair if the author hadn't used the same qualification as two separate categories that amount to the same thing.

    I think using arm strength as the measure of upside is not only overly simplistic, but also favors Bradford. If I'm looking for a promising quarterback prospect, I'd rate accuracy and decision-making over arm strength. It's also curious how he smoothes over all questions about Clausen's intangibles to assume that Jimmy has the edge there as well.

    I'm not averse to hearing arguments in favor of Clausen, but it seems to me that this isn't an even comparison. He gives the edge to Clausen in a number of categories based on what he says he saw in specific games, but it doesn't sound like he has any similar evidence on Bradford. I also don't like that he puts so much emphasis on how hard the quarterback can throw the ball. In effect, he gives Clausen the categories of arm strength, release, and upside all based on this one point. If Bradford is more accurate, has better awareness, and has better footwork, this analysis still kind of seems to favor him in my opinion.

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    Re: Bradford vs. Clausen from ClausenFootball (aka WalterFootball)Interesting article

    I just skimmed over the article, but let me sum up what I got out of it,

    I luves clausen hes da best lulz <3

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    Re: Bradford vs. Clausen from ClausenFootball (aka WalterFootball)

    Cliff notes for those who don't want to read the article: Everything good that Bradford has ever done is because of his offensive line. Everything bad that Clausen has ever done is because of his offensive line.

    Here are some examples:

    Quote Originally Posted by RockinRam View Post
    Clausen struggled with mediocre talent around him - particularly on the offensive line.

    Sam Bradford, on the other hand, had three All-Big 12 offensive linemen as a freshman and four as a sophomore...

    [Bradford] was rarely touched under center... When Bradford didn't have an NFL offensive line in front of him as a junior, he was very quickly injured and showed highly questionable durability.

    [D]o you honestly think Bradford would have been as productive if he played at Notre Dame with no offensive line...

    I have to give Sam Bradford the edge here - however you just have to wonder how much better his accuracy would be if he had Notre Dame's offensive line

    Sam Bradford is a great decision-maker too, but decisions are more easily made when you have an All-Big XII offensive line blocking for you...

    I'm a little uncertain here with Bradford because he always had an elite offensive line in front of him...

    Size isn't an issue for Clausen, but Bradford is obviously closer to the prototype (which would be a Josh Freeman). You have to wonder, though, how tall Bradford would be without an All-Big XII offensive line blocking for him. [Ok, I made this one up - just testing to see if you're reading]

    Sure [Bradford] won more in college, but he also had an All-Big XII offensive line...

    Bradford was also rarely hit at Oklahoma because of his great offensive line ...

    I also think Clausen had more adversity at Notre Dame when you consider an inferior supporting cast (especially on the offensive line)...

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    Re: Bradford vs. Clausen from ClausenFootball (aka WalterFootball)Interesting article

    Translation:

    Jimmy Clausen played with absolutely no talent around him. They were arguably, a bunch of 8th grade pee wee football players in irish uniforms. Bradford on the other hand, played with college all-stars and future first round NFL picks, who are also better looking than you and can beat you at movie trivia. Therefore, Jimmy Clausen is exponentially better at the quarterback position than Sam Bradford, because I personally like him more.

    Sam Bradford operated out of a shotgun spread offense his entire career, and has a huge advantage over Jimmy Clausen at Notre Dame, who I assume hasn't yet heard of the spread, because why would they run any other offense?! This offense also allowed Bradford to put up inflated numbers, because spread offense touchdowns are worth 12 points instead of 6. Advantage Jimmy Clausen!

    The only reason Notre Dame had any sort of success at all is entirely based on Jimmy Clausen's individual ability, and the only reason Oklahoma had success is because of the talent surrounding Sam Bradford. I will validate these statements however, by mentioning one time that I think Bradford isn't entirely successful based on this system, even after I clearly wrote multiple paragraphs explaining why this simply isn't true.

    Did I mention that Sam Bradford had an offensive line composed entirely of all big 12 lineman, while Notre Dame's line was made up of a tree stump, a sack of footballs, the Notre Dame mascot, a man in a panda bear costume, and a girl scout? Clausen also played most of his career with three toes on one foot. ADVANTAGE CLAUSEN!!

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    Re: Bradford vs. Clausen from ClausenFootball (aka WalterFootball)Interesting article

    Quote Originally Posted by shower beers View Post
    while Notre Dame's line was made up of a tree stump, a sack of footballs, the Notre Dame mascot, a man in a panda bear costume, and a girl scout? Clausen also played most of his career with three toes on one foot. ADVANTAGE CLAUSEN!!
    This made me laugh really hard.

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    Re: Bradford vs. Clausen from ClausenFootball (aka WalterFootball)Interesting article

    One thing that may be getting lost in the carnage of beating the dead horse of who did better & why in college is the fact that JC started on a crummy team as a TRUE freshman ( he did, admittedly graduate early & enrol at ND in jan '07 so he had the pre-season prep) whereas Bradford rode the pine & worked with Heupel for , I believe, the entire '06 season before starting as a redshirt. That's a glass half full/empty thing to me regarding Sam. It shows he's very coachable; he went from a pretty low profile football high school ( although he was still recruited by some pretty good football colleges like Michigan & Texas Tech)-it's a blue ribbon academic fast track school better known for its tennis than gridiron prowess- to setting records at a college football powerhouse in his first start a year later. But he did need that time to get up to speed & clearly had the better program/personnel at the time to get the momentum going.

    I think Sam may well have the higher ceiling but Ram fans who are expecting a meteoric start to his career are likely to be disappointed.

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    Re: Bradford vs. Clausen from ClausenFootball (aka WalterFootball)Interesting article

    Quote Originally Posted by berg8309 View Post
    Toughness: I'll give Clausen all kinds of credit for playing through turf toe, but to say Bradford isn't tough is a bit of a joke. He must not have seen the guy play. Sure he didn't get hit a lot, but he got absolutely mauled a couple of times and got right back up and kept playing without any hesitation. Bradford tried to play on the injured shoulder, apparently against medical advice (I have no source for this). The guy is plenty tough, it just wasn't an injury he was capable of playing on.

    Edge: Push

    Durability: I'll mark Bradford down a bit for the shoulder surgeries, but I am marking Clausen down too. Turf toe can become a perpetual and large problem for an NFL player. The fact you can play through it for a while doesn't make you durable. This one was of his worst paragraphs because basically he says, Clausen is tough, therefore he is durable. Not the same thing. I will still give him the edge though, as his injury was less serious, but Walterfootball should keep in mind the shoulder was the only thing that made Bradford sit out.

    Edge: Clausen
    That struck me too. Claused gets points for playing through the turf toe, but then it's an excuse for anything bad he did.

    I also like the part where Clausen went to ND for Weiss and is better because of playing pro-style, but he "was hampered by a poor offensive coordinator who was eventually fired." He is better because of the coaches, but the coaches are the reason he struggled.

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    John Gruden ESPN one on one: Advantage Clausen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azul e Oro View Post
    I think Sam may well have the higher ceiling but Ram fans who are expecting a meteoric start to his career are likely to be disappointed.
    this deserves to be repeated

    bump

    he might make a pro bowl by default as runner up to the guy in the Super Bowl.

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