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    Chris Williams - G - Bills

    Chris Williams - G - Bills

    Bills signed G Chris Williams to a four-year, $13.5 million contract with $5.5 million guaranteed.
    The move is a head scratcher after Williams graded out as Pro Football Focus' No. 74 guard among 81 qualifiers in 2013, and finished 76th in pass blocking. The Rams wanted him back, but certainly not at this price. Buffalo ostensibly plans to pencil in Williams at left guard, which was a gaping hole following Andy Levitre's 2013 departure. Williams turns 29 before next season.
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    Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter


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    Re: Chris Williams - G - Bills

    So very glad we didn't waste money on this guy. A 7th round pick or UDFA would be an upgrade.

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    Re: Chris Williams - G - Bills

    Also...


    Shelley Smith - G - Rams

    Free agent G Shelley Smith is visiting the Giants Wednesday.
    The Giants landed Geoff Schwartz on Tuesday, but they're still hungry for offensive line help as they rebuild they unit. Smith has only started eight games over the last two seasons, but has been impressive as a run-blocker. Entering his age-27 season, there's upside here. NJ.com's Jordan Raanan adds that Smith is scheduled to meet with the Patriots if he gets out of Jersey.
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    Source: Adam Caplan on Twitter

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    Re: Chris Williams - G - Bills

    Davin Joseph - G - Free Agent

    The Rams are hosting OG Davin Joseph for a free agent visit.
    St. Louis is getting desperate at guard after whiffing on Geoff Schwartz, losing Chris Williams to Buffalo, and seeing Rodger Saffold overpaid in Oakland. They're also in danger of losing Shelley Smith. Joseph struggled mightily in his 2013 return from a torn patellar tendon. He's entering his age-31 campaign.
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    Source: Jeremy Fowler on Twitter
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    By Josh Kirkendall @CincyJungle on Mar 8 2014, 1:07p 2
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    The Cincinnati Bengals won't figure as interested parties in the veteran offensive guard.

    The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have released two-time Pro Bowl guard, and former 2006 first-round pick, Davin Joesph, according to Rick Stroud with the Tampa Bay Times. Joseph was due $6 million in base salary, which is roughly the amount that Tampa Bay saved against the 2014 salary cap.

    Joseph, after being named to the 2011 Pro Bowl, missed the entire season in 2012 due to knee surgery, and finished 2013 as the 80th ranked offensive guard according to Pro Football Focus (there were 81 that qualified in their grading system).
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    Re: Chris Williams - G - Bills

    We should have paid Williams. That wasn't a very large contract.

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    Joseph is an upgrade over Williams if we sign him. Can get him cheaper too.

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    Re: Chris Williams - G - Bills

    WOW... Sometimes I wonder if these GM's and coaches actually even watch football.


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    Re: Chris Williams - G - Bills

    Quote Originally Posted by sosa39rams View Post
    WOW... Sometimes I wonder if these GM's and coaches actually even watch football.
    Yeah I know right, will Saffold be a bust and will Williams turn back into the first round bust that he was with the Bears. Williams was just below OK if you ask me, he was decent to bad at times, Not sure what they saw to pay him $13.5 million contract with $5.5 million guaranteed. Whats next Shelley gets 12 mil and 4 mil guaranteed?
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    Re: Chris Williams - G - Bills

    13.5$ mill is ridiculous for Chris Williams, no thanks. Btw that shows again how awesome Paul Bordreau is. Turns around a lot of O-linemen


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    Re: Chris Williams - G - Bills

    Boudreau literally took garbage (Shelley Smith, Chris Williams) and turned it into millions of dollars. These are guys that very likely could have been out of the league by now. Saffold was just an injury prone "average-at-best" OT and now is the 2nd highest paid Guard in the league.


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    Re: Chris Williams - G - Bills

    Williams graded 74th out of 81 with the PFF everybody likes to cite. Best of luck Buffalo.

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    Re: Chris Williams - G - Bills

    Quote Originally Posted by sosa39rams View Post
    Boudreau literally took garbage (Shelley Smith, Chris Williams) and turned it into millions of dollars. These are guys that very likely could have been out of the league by now. Saffold was just an injury prone "average-at-best" OT and now is the 2nd highest paid Guard in the league.
    I agree here is the next one.

    Brandon Washington


    His draft summary Summary:

    A big, raw, physically talented lineman who most definitely could have used another year of development. Disappointed at left tackle as a junior, but possesses starter-caliber size and athletic ability. Offers versatility to play right tackle or slide inside, although he will have to improve his core strength, play with more tenacity and learn how to finish. Could require patience and always leave a team wanting more. Compares favorably to Oakland Raiders 2011 third-round pick Joseph Barksdale.
    Jeff Fisher last press conference of the year, who does he mention as played well...

    (On the job that Offensive Line Coach Paul T. Boudreau did with the numerous offensive linemen combinations that played throughout the season because of injuries)
    “He did an outstanding job. We didn’t track how many combinations of guys and who was playing here, but there were a lot of people playing. With respect to yesterday, (G) Brandon Washington goes into the game and plays his first snap in a regular season game up there and played pretty well. So, there’s a lot of good things that happened there. It was a good group. He puts together a really unique group in the classroom and they enjoy working together. They get close. They’re very disciplined and, for all intents and purposes, each one of them really wants to come back, which is good.”
    I can see the Rams drafting a guard this year and maybe adding another savage project like Davin Joseph. Then there is Washington who came out early and needed so time to develop.


    Brandon Washington went on record earlier this year saying if he knew he would have been drafted as late as he did (6th round) he would have stayed in school. Unfortunately for the big man from the “U”, he made the wrong decision. As did his teammate Tommy Streeter in Baltimore who was put on the IR today, which could end his year. Washington was a very young player coming into the draft and I am sure he will get a workout for the Dolphins in a few days, since they could use some help on the line, and they have the most knowledge of him. A sixth-round draft pick of the Eagles in 2012, Brandon Washington was a three-year letterman at Miami (FL) and notched a streak of 25 consecutive starts in his junior and senior seasons at both guard and tackle. This is a reason I get mad at players coming out of school to early. The media and agents blow up these kids, to think they can make millions, when they are just not ready. Good luck Brandon but your path won’t be an easy one.
    I would not be surprised if he battles for playing time this year, we shall see.

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    Re: Chris Williams - G - Bills

    $5.5 million over 2 years really isn't horrific.
    He really wasn't that bad of a guard as people are trying to claim.
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    Re: Chris Williams - G - Bills

    I am baffled by it all. Saffold is the head scratcher. I trust the Rams FO and will wait to see what unfolds. I trust Rams FO and Fish. But, I do expect a winning season is 2014........

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    Re: Chris Williams - G - Bills

    Quote Originally Posted by RebelYell View Post
    $5.5 million over 2 years really isn't horrific.
    He really wasn't that bad of a guard as people are trying to claim.

    Bills taking odd risk in signing Williams
    March, 12, 2014
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    By Mike Rodak | ESPN.com

    Chris Williams started all 16 games last season for the St. Louis Rams.

    Financial discipline? Not finding it here.

    In their first signing of free agency, the Buffalo Bills overreached by signing former St. Louis Rams guard Chris Williams to a four-year contract. According to ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter, the deal totals $13.5 million with $5.5 million guaranteed.

    Williams has done little to prove he should be a full-time starter in the NFL. He was largely considered a bust with the Chicago Bears, who drafted him 14th overall in 2008.



    The Bears wanted him to be a stalwart at tackle. He wasn't. The Bears moved him to guard in 2010. That didn't work out either. In October 2012, after Williams sat as a healthy scratch for two games, the Bears released him.

    Williams caught on with the Rams and started all 16 games at left guard last season. The analytics website ProFootballFocus.com graded him as the worst player on the Rams and as one of the worst guards in the NFL.

    The Bills are all too familiar with sub-par guard play: Colin Brown was thrown around early last season before being released, while Doug Legursky was often undersized and over-matched at left guard. Simply put, they were in need of an upgrade.

    But to "upgrade" doesn't mean to "overpay," and that's what the Bills are doing with Williams. The Bills are trying to correct one mistake with another. It comes off as an overreaction.

    Williams would have been a solid addition as a backup along the offensive line. He could kick outside in a pinch and may have even been an upgrade over Thomas Welch as a swing tackle. He would have also been an upgrade at backup guard, where the Bills had little to offer last season.

    As a starter, though? The Bills are taking a gamble, and if it doesn't work out, they're left with an overpaid lineman sitting on their bench.

    It isn't shocking that the Bills wanted Williams. Coach Doug Marrone has expressed a desire to get bigger along the offensive line. Williams (6-foot-6, 326 pounds) fits that bill, but his size doesn't necessarily mean that he's a quality starter.

    Still, general manager Doug Whaley deserves some benefit of the doubt. Last spring, he traded for Jerry Hughes -- a former draft bust with the Indianapolis Colts -- and Hughes turned into a plus pass-rusher for the Bills.

    The difference is that by trading for Hughes, the Bills didn't inherit any financial risk from the Colts. Had Hughes flopped in Buffalo, they could have released him and avoided paying his $3.9 million base salary this season, with no dead money implications.

    In Williams' case, the Bills are banking on the former first-round pick being an "ascending" player after descending for most of his career. If he isn't, they're out $5.5 million in guaranteed money.

    Between Williams and Kraig Urbik, who was underwhelming last season, the Bills could be spending more than $6 million in cap space on their guards this season. Whaley has said he wants to "build along the lines," but paying guards is often less of a priority in the NFL than centers, tackles or defensive linemen.

    All around, this one is just a head-scratcher

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