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    Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

    BY JIM THOMAS
    ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
    01/15/2010

    As the Philadelphia Eagles headed into the offseason following last weekend's wild-card loss to Dallas, quarterback Michael Vick made it clear what he wanted in his future.

    "Everybody wants to be a starter in this league, and everybody wants to play," Vick told the Philadelphia Inquirer. "That should be your goal. The ambition you should have is to want to be great. ... I know I can still play at a high level."

    All of which is no surprise to Eagles coach Andy Reid.

    "That kid, the changes that he made this year in his life, I was impressed with," Reid told Philadelphia reporters. "And his desire to be a No. 1 guy in this league, I'd be disappointed if he didn't feel that way."


    As long as Donovan McNabb and Kevin Kolb are in Philly, Vick won't get a chance to start for the Eagles. But what about St. Louis?

    What seemed totally far-fetched last summer, as Vick was about to get out of prison, no longer seems like such a longshot in St. Louis. Because Vick remains under contract with Philadelphia, Rams general manager Billy Devaney can't speak publicly on the topic.

    But Devaney has consistently said the team will explore all options to improve the club. He has made it a point in interviews to note that the "four pillars" approach is being softened this offseason. In other words, the Rams are more likely to take a chance on a so-called "character-risk" player than last year at this time.

    Devaney worked for the Atlanta Falcons before coming to St. Louis, so he's very familiar with Vick. In fact, Devaney visited Vick in prison while Vick was serving 18 months for running a dogfighting operation.

    Reid has been one of the major career influences for Rams coach Steve Spagnuolo. So when Reid talks about how he was impressed with Vick, and the "changes" he made in his life, that will resonate with Spagnuolo.

    So it will come as no surprise if Vick's name comes up next week when Devaney, Spagnuolo and executive vice president of football operations Kevin Demoff meet with Rams owner Chip Rosenbloom at the organization's annual postseason summit.

    By all accounts, Vick has said and done the right things in Philadelphia, where he was given a second chance by Reid. If not the Rams, it seems likely someone now will give Vick a chance to compete for a starting job in a league where top-flight quarterbacks remain a rare commodity.

    But even if it comes down to a pure football decision, does Vick still have what it takes to be a difference-maker in the NFL? That's what the Rams, or any other team, must decide.

    The No. 1 overall pick in the 2001 draft by Atlanta, Vick made three Pro Bowls in six seasons with the Falcons. He isn't a pure passer in terms of accuracy. His completion percentage with the Falcons was only 54 percent; his passer rating only 75.7. But he has very good arm strength, and always threw a good deep ball.

    And the guy wins. The Falcons were a different team with him in the lineup. His regular-season won-lost record of 38-28-1 through the 2006 season was the 11th-best winning percentage (.575) among active quarterbacks at the time.

    Vick was truly electrifying in beating teams with his legs. He set an NFL rushing record for a quarterback in 2006, his last season before prison, with 1,039 yards — averaging a staggering 8.4 yards per carry.

    The question the Rams or any other team must answer is this: Can Vick still be a game-changer as a runner? He turns 30 in June, missed the '07 and '08 seasons entirely, and was limited to a cameo role in '09 with the Eagles.

    Vick threw only 13 passes for Philly in the regular season — completing six for 86 yards and a touchdown. He ran 24 times for 95 yards and two TDs, averaging 4.0 yards per carry.

    That's not nearly a big enough sample size to draw firm conclusions on Vick's current skill level. But his 76-yard touchdown pass to Jeremy Maclin last week against Dallas showed he still has zip in his arm.

    "Being away from the game for two years didn't help me," Vick told the Philadelphia Daily News. "I see that I had to come back and get into a rhythm."

    Mentally, Vick thinks he's better than ever. He made the most of his time with McNabb in learning how to study and prepare for games.

    One reason Vick might not be an Eagle in 2010 is the size of the option year on his contract. He's scheduled to make $3.75 million in base salary, as well as a $1.5 million roster bonus — for a total of $5.25 million. That's a lot of money for a role player.

    The $1.5 million roster bonus is due on the fifth day of the "league year." That's NFL-speak for the start of the free agency/trading period, which is March 5. So there's a chance the Eagles might want to simply release Vick rather than paying the $1.5 million by March 10.

    But if it looks like multiple suitors develop for Vick, it's not inconceivable that the Eagles would pay the roster bonus and then work out a trade.

    In St. Louis, Vick could bring sizzle to an offense that was among the league's worst in '09. As one long-time NFL coach told the Post-Dispatch: "That team lacks perimeter players. They can't play straight up (on offense) and win. They need to create explosiveness where it's not."


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    Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

    Lets look at some 2009 season stats:

    Bulger
    Completion Percentage: 56.7
    Rush Average: 2.8

    Boller
    Completion Percentage: 55.7
    Rush Average: 5.8

    Null
    Completion Percentage: 61.3
    Rush Average: 1.2

    Vick
    Completion Percentage: 46.2
    Rush Average: 4.0


    If we want an upgrade at the QB position, do we really want a guy who completed under half his passes in 2009? And as for Vick's supposed rushing threat, Kyle Boller averaged more per rush than Vick. So what kind of upgrade would Vick be? I know Vick only played in limited time, but in limited time playing for Minnesota, Tarvaris Jackson completed 66.7 percent of his passes

    So really, what reason is there to get Vick? Because he won some games in the past? So did Bart Starr

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    Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

    Quote Originally Posted by tomahawk247 View Post
    Lets look at some 2009 season stats:

    Bulger
    Completion Percentage: 56.7
    Rush Average: 2.8

    Boller
    Completion Percentage: 55.7
    Rush Average: 5.8

    Null
    Completion Percentage: 61.3
    Rush Average: 1.2

    Vick
    Completion Percentage: 46.2
    Rush Average: 4.0


    If we want an upgrade at the QB position, do we really want a guy who completed under half his passes in 2009? And as for Vick's supposed rushing threat, Kyle Boller averaged more per rush than Vick. So what kind of upgrade would Vick be? I know Vick only played in limited time, but in limited time playing for Minnesota, Tarvaris Jackson completed 66.7 percent of his passes

    So really, what reason is there to get Vick? Because he won some games in the past? So did Bart Starr
    Vick hardly even played this season, so it really is pointless to compare their stats to his and he crushed us when he played us in the playoffs. Vick is like 2-2 in the playoffs and he won games.

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    Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

    Quote Originally Posted by supa7 View Post
    Vick hardly even played this season, so it really is pointless to compare their stats to his and he crushed us when he played us in the playoffs. Vick is like 2-2 in the playoffs and he won games.

    Yes Vick hardly even played this season. Is that a good thing? of course not. If the Eagles thought he could help win them games he would have played more. Yet he hardly saw the field. Even after throwing a TD in the playoff game he couldnt get on the field much, and the Eagles were desperate.

    He crushed us in the playoffs? In the 2004-2005 season, which was over five years ago. Also it was Warrick Dunn and Allen Rossum that killed us the most.

    So Vick has lost as many playoff games as he won? Is that supposed to be a good thing?

    And he might have won games. "Won" being the past tense. If we want a guy who won games, lets get Elway out of retirement.

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    Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

    I think this topic has been beaten to death over two seasons. According to two seperate sources from within the organization I have spoken to in the past week, this rumor is false.

    Not only that, but the majority of us on this site fail to understand the man-love you are showing for an under-achieving has-been.

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    Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

    Vick is more of a running back that can throw alittle. He is getting older, and might be able to contribute some. But I dont think he is the contender he once was.

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    Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

    Quote Originally Posted by RamsFanSam View Post
    I think this topic has been beaten to death over two seasons. According to two seperate sources from within the organization I have spoken to in the past week, this rumor is false.

    Not only that, but the majority of us on this site fail to understand the man-love you are showing for an under-achieving has-been.

    I certainly hope you're right, RamsFanSam- I will be beyond disgusted if the Rams bring this guy on board. Dogfighting and character issues aside, he is not and never was a good QB; he achieved a degree of success because of his legs. This is not the player to build your offense around and cannot be considered (at least in my opinion) an upgrade over Bulger, despite his warts. Vick has essentially been away from the game for three years.

    QB is a position we must address through the draft. You do your due diligence and get the guy you think can lead this club back to respectability and command the offense for the next 10 years. The free agent options out there are garbage- that's why they're available.

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    Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

    Anything that would increase competition at ANY spot on this team I am for, and there is no way you can convince me he would be worse then what we've seen from the QBs we have now.
    I'm not sayin hes the answer but hes atleast an improvement on the Boller/Null project. 1/2 the season those 2 started.
    If we dont get a QB in the draft.
    If we cant get another QB in FA.
    Then I would look into a trade or pickup of MV for no other reason than, we need a QB.

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    Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

    Number of times sportwriters might speculate about this: unlimited

    Number of quotes in Jim Thomas' article from the Rams Front Office: zero

    Value of articles speculating about Vick going to the Rams: worthless

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    Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

    Can we get a facepalm emoticon on this website? They keep beating this dead horse.

    If Vick was a good player we would've had much more playing time in Philly. Yeah, he's fun to watch, but I would rather give that roster position to someone else.
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    Devaney, if you care about this team... fire the offensive coordinator!!!!

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    Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

    #1 I am sick of people saying, if Vick was good he would have played more in phillly. Who is you option? Would he have played QB in philly? Doubtful.

    #2 Vick will take a cheap salary and is a low risk. We have Bulger, Boller, and Null. I don't mine losing 2 of those 3 QB's becase "They all played here last year, and didn't win."

    #3 He is a free agent. So whatever plan of drafting a QB or picking someone else up, we can still do that! So, basically there is low risk, and high reward!

    I understand if you personally don't think Vick is the answer. Just say that.

    For me it boils down to if we don't take a QB #1 we should absolutely pick up Vick. If we take a QB #1 that is a different story, but I still think Vick could come and start for at least the first half of the season.


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    Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

    You know, I've followed sports long enough to know where there is smoke more than likely there is fire. If Jim Thomas is writing an article about this, it isn't his imagination or even his opinion. He heard something at Rams Park. No one on this website knows for certain Vick isn't being considered. With the state this Rams offense is in, drastic times lead to drastic measures. If Vick is signed to a one year contract with the Rams it would not shock me in the least bit.

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    Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

    Quote Originally Posted by richtree View Post
    #1 I am sick of people saying, if Vick was good he would have played more in phillly. Who is you option? Would he have played QB in philly? Doubtful.

    #2 Vick will take a cheap salary and is a low risk. We have Bulger, Boller, and Null. I don't mine losing 2 of those 3 QB's becase "They all played here last year, and didn't win."

    #3 He is a free agent. So whatever plan of drafting a QB or picking someone else up, we can still do that! So, basically there is low risk, and high reward!

    I understand if you personally don't think Vick is the answer. Just say that.

    For me it boils down to if we don't take a QB #1 we should absolutely pick up Vick. If we take a QB #1 that is a different story, but I still think Vick could come and start for at least the first half of the season.


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    1. I have no idea what, "Who is you option?" means. However, why couldn't Vick have been given more opportunities at quarterback if he's really still a starting-caliber player? He attempted an average of one pass per game and two runs per game. The Eagles certainly had games where they needed help, and if you have a playmaking, game-changing starting-caliber player on your roster, you get him on the field. His lack of time on the field is troubling when you're talking about acquiring him to become a full-time starter.

    2. We have no idea what kind of salary Vick will take. Calling him low risk is pretty inaccurate as well, IMO. Ignoring for a moment the public relations risk should he falter in some manner, turning to a guy who hasn't started in three years and whose résumé for this season includes a whopping 13 passes is pretty risky. I'm honestly not sure how anyone could legitimately argue otherwise.

    3. He is not a free agent. He is currently under contract in Philadelphia.

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    Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

    The 13 passes attempted is worrying. Last season, the top amount of passes attempted per game was Seattle with 38.1. The least was the Jets with 23.9. The Rams had 33.9.

    So how can we base Vick's performance on what isnt even a full game of throwing?

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    Re: Could Michael Vick be an option for St. Louis Rams?

    I ment to write, who is your option?

    People say that Vick didn't play at philly. Kolb didn't play either. I am saying any other QB that could potentialy be the Rams Quarterback next season wouldn't have started over McNabb.

    It is a tribute to Vick's atheltism that he was able to find a way on the field. Kolb couldn't take snaps away from McNabb. Vick did.

    Vick will probably get waived or traded for next to nothing. He can't demand a high salary as his options are limited with many teams having already committed their money into a QB.

    I disagree, and contend that he is low risk. His time in the media is over. If Philly can accept him in the media, the Lou can too. Its now about Tiger Woods and Gilbert Arenas. Time heals wounds.

    Vick will be available for the Rams at a considerably cheap price for a starting NFL quarterback, no matter what salary you think.

    Vick scored 3 touchdowns this season in 37 plays. I think he did a good job in Philly. I understand he will never be tops in the league in accuracy, but his athetic ability make up for some of that.

    Because of his dogfighting sentence many people here personally don't like him. What more could he have done to prove he is sorry and truly happy to be playing in the NFL again.

    Vick can fill a void for one year while we either develop a QB from round 2 or 3 or wait until next season to draft one in the first round.

    I am open to other QB's as well, but you should be open to Vick.


    Vick + Suh = More wins I know that

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