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    The CTOT (Cleveland Trade Outcome Theorem)

    For me, it goes something like this:

    If Cleveland trades the 4th and 22nd picks to the Rams,
    And Minnesota takes Matt Kalil with the 3rd pick,
    Then the Rams should take Justin Blackmon at No. 4, and hope for Mike Adams or Jonathan Martin at No. 22.

    If Cleveland trades the 4th and 22nd picks to the Rams,
    And Minnesota takes Justin Blackmon with the 3rd pick,
    Then the Rams should take Matt Kalil at No. 4, and hope for Michael Floyd or Kendall Wright at No. 22.



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    Re: The CTOT (Cleveland Trade Outcome Theorem)

    I wonder If Kalil will be good enough for Jeff Fisher, to finally use a first round pick on a lineman. He ticks more boxes than Blackmon does, at this point. Remember Fisher had Brad Hopkins as his LT for years, so he knows the value of the position. If Fisher doesnt pick OL early, I have no doubt he will take some later in the draft. A couple of guards wouldn't go a miss, either.

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    Re: The CTOT (Cleveland Trade Outcome Theorem)

    Either of those options would be a perfect outcome from the 1st round.

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    Re: The CTOT (Cleveland Trade Outcome Theorem)

    I think the Vikings would consider Claiborne more than Blackmon. As of right now Kalil is probably the player they would take, and if someone trades with them they would definitely be trading up for Kalil. It's probably 60% Kalil, 30% Claiborne, and 10% Blackmon at this point. No matter what we have good players to choose from.

    For the Rams Kalil and Floyd or Wright would be the better alternative since Kalil is so much of a better tackle than Mike Adams and its hard to see Martin dropping that far.

    Av, would you take Cordy Glenn at 22 (after taking Backmon) if he and Adams were on the board? I would.
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    Re: The CTOT (Cleveland Trade Outcome Theorem)

    Okay Av i am copying your "ifs" and "ands"

    If Cleveland trades the 4th and 22nd picks to the Rams,
    And Minnesota takes Ryan Kalil with the 3rd pick,
    Then the Rams should take Justin Blackmon at No. 4, and hope for Courtney Upshaw or Fletcher Cox at No. 22.

    Priority #1: Offensive Playmaker
    Priority#2: STOP THE RUN!!!

    If Cleveland trades the 4th and 22nd picks to the Rams,
    And Minnesota takes Justin Blackmon with the 3rd pick,
    Then the Rams should take Trent Richardson at No. 4, and hope for Cordy Glenn or Mike Adams at No. 22.

    Honestly i want to stop the run with the 22nd pick but i dont want the same answer...Full faith in Saffold to be a franchise LT

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    Re: The CTOT (Cleveland Trade Outcome Theorem)

    Why does everyone assume that the Browns trade both 1st round picks. I have heard on ESPN that the more logical outcome will be; trade 1st round picks (2nd for 4th), then get Cleveland's 2nd rounder and get a pick next year. I cannot see the Browns giving up two 1st round picks. Any ideas on that?

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    Re: The CTOT (Cleveland Trade Outcome Theorem)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave2oo2 View Post
    Why does everyone assume that the Browns trade both 1st round picks. I have heard on ESPN that the more logical outcome will be; trade 1st round picks (2nd for 4th), then get Cleveland's 2nd rounder and get a pick next year. I cannot see the Browns giving up two 1st round picks. Any ideas on that?
    I haven't heard anyone suggest that, and I'd be very surprised if the Rams traded with the Browns and didn't insist on both first round picks. If you look at the trade value chart, that's a pretty fair/even trade.

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    Re: The CTOT (Cleveland Trade Outcome Theorem)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave2oo2 View Post
    Why does everyone assume that the Browns trade both 1st round picks. I have heard on ESPN that the more logical outcome will be; trade 1st round picks (2nd for 4th), then get Cleveland's 2nd rounder and get a pick next year. I cannot see the Browns giving up two 1st round picks. Any ideas on that?
    No matter who we trade with we'll most certainly get two 1st round picks, whether its the Browns two 1st's this year, a first this year and a first next year from the Skins or whoever else. We will not trade the #2 overall for one 1st round pick and later picks.


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    Re: The CTOT (Cleveland Trade Outcome Theorem)

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    I haven't heard anyone suggest that, and I'd be very surprised if the Rams traded with the Browns and didn't insist on both first round picks. If you look at the trade value chart, that's a pretty fair/even trade.
    I think Peter King said earlier on Twitter that the idea that we'd trade for BOTH Cleveland's first round picks AND a fourth was still under what we're looking for. So I'd also be very surprised if we didn't look for at least the Brown's first two. Especially with RGIII doing us favours at the combine )

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    Re: The CTOT (Cleveland Trade Outcome Theorem)

    Matt*** Kalil

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    Re: The CTOT (Cleveland Trade Outcome Theorem)

    Quote Originally Posted by lostsoul View Post
    Matt*** Kalil
    Yeah... someday maybe I'll stop mixing him up with his brother!
    Rammed and lostsoul like this.

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    Re: The CTOT (Cleveland Trade Outcome Theorem)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tampa_Ram View Post
    No matter who we trade with we'll most certainly get two 1st round picks, whether its the Browns two 1st's this year, a first this year and a first next year from the Skins or whoever else. We will not trade the #2 overall for one 1st round pick and later picks.
    It was on "The Herd" friday, and a local talk show called "Common Man and the Torg" here in Columbus, OH. I was also watching the combine and it was mentioned by Brian Billeck or Micheal Lombardi. NFL network always says that the Rams hope to get the two first rounders. I don't expect the Browns to give up that much for a player they might get at 4 anyway.

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    Re: The CTOT (Cleveland Trade Outcome Theorem)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave2oo2 View Post
    I don't expect the Browns to give up that much for a player they might get at 4 anyway.
    Then they will be left holding the bag while Washington is selecting him @ 2.

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