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    In depth scouting reports on Smith and Monroe

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    Jason Smith Scouting Report GENERAL REPORT: GRADE: 7.16
    Body Structure: Smith has a tall, linear build that can add at least another 20 pounds of bulk without the weight impacting his overall quickness. He possesses an athletic frame with long limbs, big hands, good bubble, a firm and solidly built midsection, athletic body with adequate lower frame thickness.


    Athletic Ability: Has the frame to develop more bulk and strength (is not stout at the point of attack with his linear, basketball player-like frame). Former tight end and quickness is evident in his suddenness getting out on the edge to block for running plays to the perimeter. He shows good change-of-direction agility (bit stiff in his hips, but keeps his pads down). He lacks explosive speed, but is fairly nimble for a down lineman, displaying good body control moving down the line. GRADE: 7.6


    Football Sense: Smith is an intelligent athlete who is also a hard-working student of the game. He tests well and shows solid field vision and instincts. He has no problem learning and retaining plays and hustles until the whistle. GRADE: 6.8


    Character: A model program player with no known off-field issues. He is a vocal leader in the locker room and does a good job absorbing the playbook. He is a "yes sir, no sir" type. Coaches say he has been a good mentor for younger players, especially doing a good job of taking frosh QB Robert Griffin under his wing. GRADE: 7.5


    Competitiveness: Smith is a classic warrior on the field with good work ethic in the training room (worked hard to bulk up before the 2008 season, but still needs to improve his overall strength). He is a highly competitive player whose spirit and enthusiasm are evident on the field. He comes off the snap with a hard drive and has developed good aggression as a blocker, knowing when to stay in control or flash a little nastiness. GRADE: 7.1


    Work Habits: Smith is a team leader with a passion for the game. A neophyte at the offensive tackle position (11 games experience at right tackle, 19 at left tackle), he's a sponge absorbing information and will respond to patient coaching. He was thrown into the fire when moving from tight end to offensive tackle, putting in long hours in the film room to study technique that has helped his rapid progress. GRADE: 6.8


    ATHLETIC REPORT
    GRADE: 6.57
    Initial Quickness: Aggressive, but is not a powerful blocker. On contact and when he drives with his feet, he can generate movement. He generally plays under control and showed in 2008 that he has made strides working his hips to wall off and force the chase route. When he gets tall in his stance, he looks a bit stiff redirecting. If he stays low in his pads, he swings his hips and runs his feet well leading on the sweep. He is usually in position of advantage, especially when asked to seal, as he has good ability to wheel and cut off the backside. GRADE: 7.0


    Lateral Movement: Flashes quick, active feet in his kick-slide, as he has the lateral agility to mirror and adjust to stunts, but could redirect at a lower pad level. When he drops his weight, he easily adjusts to the outside blitz. He moves fluidly to challenge in one-on-one confrontations and has excellent body control playing in space, demonstrating the initial kick off the snap to surprise a slower opponent (when he drives with his legs and rolls his hips on contact, even the stronger bull rushers are contained). GRADE: 6.3


    Balance/Stays On Feet: Displays good balance and body control on the move, but would be even better adjusting in space when he refines his footwork (can slide and change direction well to mirror pass rushers, but gets up on his heels too much, which lets bull rushers walk him back). He handles quickness and movement when he keeps his pads down, but he needs to stay low in his pads and play flat-footed (gets up on his heels too much) more often. When he gets tall, his stance prevents him from gaining leverage vs. the bull rush and he needs to improve his overall footwork. Doesn't always shuffle his feet and explode off the snap to gain movement. He played mostly in the spread offense and will need time to adjust his footwork and mechanics to the pro game. Will provide better and quicker production earlier in his career in a zone-blocking scheme, preferably as a guard. GRADE: 6.4


    Explosion/Pop: When he stays low in his pads and drives with his legs, Smith generates decent pop on contact. Must learn to play flat-footed and is easily beaten when he plays on his heels. He doesn't always get proper movement due to his two-point stance, but on the move, he knows how to drop a linebacker with a crunching forearm shot. Stays square in his base and moves laterally and has the agility to clear out rush lanes working in-line. Still developing his overall strength and due to his stance, defenders with a low center of gravity can fire off the line, get under his jersey and walk him back into the pocket. GRADE: 6.3


    Run Blocking: Smith needs to add bulk to his linear frame to handle the more physical defensive ends when playing on an island. His quickness off the snap allows him to get into a lethargic defender's body before his opponent has a chance to react. Can reach and scoop, especially when he sinks his weight to gain advantage and seal off. Even though he needs a stronger base, he does get good movement on drive blocks vs. smaller opponents. GRADE: 6.5


    Pass Blocking: Quick in his pass set but needs footwork refinement. Has the agility to recover, plays with good knee bend and uses his wing span effectively to cover vs. edge rushers. He shows good movement in pass protection when he bends his knees properly. He can reach and seal with suddenness, thanks to his quick first step and long wing span. It is rare to see him beaten vs. edge rushers (most penetrations vs. him came on the bull rush). When he seals a five-tech, he flashes the ability to cut off the back side. Still, he must refine his pass set technique, as he gets down in a two-point stance and will need to keep his pads lower to generate more explosion coming off the snap. GRADE: 7.3


    Pulling/Trapping: Effective reaching and scooping on run blocks. He pulls with good explosion and improved his ability to land in space. He adjusts effectively on the move to hit oncoming targets. He might have a bit of hip stiffness, evident when he struggles to generate lateral movement (not used much on sweeps due to this problem), but with his quick feet, he does show urgency getting out in front and is developing a good feel for angling. With his foot speed, he can do the job when needed to locate and land in space. GRADE: 6.7


    Adjust on Linebacker Downfield: Learning angle technique, but can ride into the second level in a hurry to neutralize linebackers. As his senior season progressed, improved attacking second-level defenders, fitting up and cutting under control. With his ease of movement in the open field, he is capable of walling off and forcing the chase route of a defender. He stays on his feet better on the move or in the second level than when working in-line and has improved his footwork as a senior, but his feet still tend to die at times when having to suddenly get into the second level. GRADE: 6.2
    Use of Hands/Punch: Must develop more power in his punch, but he is learning how to grab in attempts to lock out and control. He must develop a strong hand punch, but is quick to recoil, especially when using his hands to challenge stunts. He is better when using his hands to control the defender rather than executing his punch. He also must keep his hands inside his framework more often, as he struggles to separate when a defender gets into his chest. Lacks the strong hand punch to shock and jolt and when he gets reckless with his hands (outside his frame), he gets narrow in his base and pushed back by a physical surge (tries to compensate for a lack of mauling ability by trying to out-finesse, but his



    hand placement skills are just adequate). GRADE: 5.8
    Reactions/Awareness: Smith is still learning the "tricks of the trade," but did show improved awareness as a senior. He is still a work in progress when it comes to recognition, but he has rare speed to get out in front on traps. He might lack ideal experience as a tackle and will need patient coaching to further his development in his NFL career. He showed good improvement in 2008, but he is still not as alert to twists and games, does not recognize them quick enough to get into position to challenge. GRADE: 7.2

    Compares To: ERIC STEINBACH, Cincinnati -- Steinbach is an offensive guard, but both have the initial quickness and outstanding athleticism to excel in a zone-blocking scheme as an interior lineman. Smith needs to add at least another 20 pounds of bulk to handle the rigors of playing left tackle at the next level. His lack of great footwork and need to improve his stance could be covered up better playing inside for a year or two because he's still a neophyte at the left tackle position (19 starts). Once his body matures, his athletic skills will make him a quality left tackle in the mold of another former college tight end, Jason Peters (Buffalo).
    OVERALL GRADE: 6.69

    Eugene Monroe Scouting Report

    GENERAL REPORT: GRADE: 7.04
    Body Structure: Monroe has a well-developed frame with room for additional growth. He can carry at least another 15 pounds of bulk without having the additional weight impact his foot speed. He has the long arms, wide wingspan and broad shoulders you look for in a left tackle. He possesses a wide waist and hips, solid thickness in his thighs and calves and firm midsection. With his toned frame he looks more like a defensive lineman, especially with his sudden explosion off the snap.


    Athletic Ability: Monroe has natural strength and quickness, as his 40-yard dash clocking of 5.09 is one of the best among 2009 NFL Draft eligible offensive tackles. He shows excellent balance and change of direction flexibility, along with outstanding acceleration when working into the second level. He plays on his feet, thanks to superb balance and shows the body control to play and adjust in space and pick up blocks on the move downfield. He can slide and readjust to mirror edge rushers in pass protection. He also displays the lower-body flexibility to drop his pads and anchor firmly vs. stunts and the bull rush. He shows ease of movement accelerating into the second level and excellent change-of-direction agility to make plays working down the line. He plays with a strong base, keeping his feet wide and pad level low to generate enough explosion coming off the snap. He has the lateral range to make adjustments in his pass set. Monroe bends his knees with good flexibility and shows that he has the quickness to get out on the edge and seal off the rush. He has the agility to pull and trap with effectiveness from the outside position and displays good hand usage and the redirection skills to mirror on stunts and blitzes. GRADE: 7.4


    Football Sense: Monroe plays with very good awareness in pass protection. Is quick to locate and pick up games and stunts instantly. He does a nice job chipping to the second level and is very alert on the edge to neutralize pass rushers in space. He has no problem digesting the playbook. He is very quick to pick up defensive schemes and has good work ethic, easily taking the plays from the board to the field with only minimal reps. Shows enough savvy to make blocking calls. GRADE: 7.2


    Character: Good maturity and is responsible off the field. Football is important to him and he puts forth the extra effort and hours to improve. Good teammate and mentor for the squad's younger players. Is very respectful and trusted during crunch-time. He is the type that you know will take care of business when the coaches put a daunting task in front of him. GRADE: 7.3


    Competitiveness: Competitive enough that coaches have extolled his high threshold for pain and willingness to play through injuries. He plays with great effort and toughness until the whistle and will not hesitate to go downfield and block, playing as if he has a "chip on his shoulder" and that defensive linemen are his mortal enemies. He competes hard in both games and practice and the coaching staff cites his work ethic. He will not hesitate to intimidate an opponent. In 2007, he did tend to get a little overaggressive, but is quick to recover. He is the type that plays until the whistle and keeps his head on a swivel looking for defenders to attack. He consistently finishes and likes to mix it up in the trenches. He has a mauler's personality and always finishes off his blocks. He works hard to redirect and sustain and will play through pain. In 2008, Monroe displayed more aggression in his game. Despite the team's poor play, he never throttled down on the field, playing each down with the same vigor. His epic battle with Georgia Tech's Michael Johnson proved that he has the heart and desire to play up to the NFL level. GRADE: 7.3


    Work Habits: Monroe is a hard worker in the weight room and on the practice field. Even when slowed by injuries, the coaches were hesitate about moving All-American Branden Albert to left tackle, feeling that Monroe was the far superior player. He did have to alter his training some due to knee problems during the 2007 off-season, but he is a self-starter type who performs with a good attitude and is developing fine leadership qualities. He is sometimes too critical of his performances, but it is his strong work ethic that drives him to be the best that he can. He could use better midsection muscle tone (bit of a gut), but does have the athletic ability to play low in his pads. He has no problems doing what the coaches ask, making him the "good soldier" that an NFL coach will find is an eager student with a thirst for football knowledge. GRADE: 7.0


    ATHLETIC REPORT
    GRADE: 7.52
    Initial Quickness: Monroe has exceptional initial quickness. He's very light on his feet for a player his size and shows the ability to immediately react to movement. He is sudden working to gain position working in-line or when reaching the second level. He generates explosive pop on contact, especially in pass protection. Using his long wingspan effectively to engulf edge rushers. He gets to top speed quickly and does a very good job of getting upfield to neutralize the linebackers. He has nimble feet and excellent redirection agility to make proper body adjustments on the move. Very quick to gain hand placement, using his long reach to keep defenders at a distance. He shows ease of movement in his kick slide and can really gain a head of steam when he gets moving. When he gains advantage on a defender with his foot speed, he works hard to keep it. He has the short-area speed to get upfield and shows the strong base to maintain his position when working in-line. In 2008, Monroe showed very good explosion rising out of his stance with a sudden first step needed to leverage the defender for the angle and power drives. He was quick to accelerate up field coming off the snap and made solid strides to improve his consistency getting into position as a run blocker who can easily reach the second level. GRADE: 8.0


    Lateral Movement: Monroe has fluid lateral agility and movement, keeping his feet on pulls and when moving upfield. He maintains balance and body control when changing direction and is sudden when redirecting. Shows explosive feet and his lateral flexibility getting through holes when asked to pull. As a senior, you could see that he improved his balance and change-of-direction agility. Appears very light on his feet, especially when sliding in pass protection and with his wide frame and excellent arm length, he had no problems locking on and riding away edge rushers from the pocket. GRADE: 7.7


    Balance/Stays On Feet: Monroe plays at a low pad level, quickly generating the explosive burst to gain advantage. He is able to cover defenders up, thanks to his long reach and large hands. Even at his size, he shows no problem getting low in his stance to attain proper leverage, displaying excellent knee bend. Quick on his feet and uses his hands to sustain. He plays with steady effort and is a strong, physical finisher. Once he locks on to a defender, he will generally win the battle. Even vs. the bull rush, defenders have a very difficult time attempting to knock him off his base. He always plays with his feet and base wide, which allows him to battle throughout the play. He uses his hands with force to gain position and is a nasty finisher whose hand quickness and placement lets him mirror his man and sustain blocks. Even when he overextends, he is quick to recover. His body control lets him excel on the pull. It is very rare to see him lunge or fall to the ground, using his long arms to generate solid reach blocks. What impressed scouts most about Monroe in 2008 was his ability to get out in front on traps and the quickness he showed working to the second level. He showed the ability to locate targets and drop his weight when executing longer pulls and his body control allows him to adjust to counter moves and make contact on the move. GRADE: 7.9


    Explosion/Pop: Monroe combines size, strength, body mass and long wingspan to generate very good explosion behind his blocks. He is also an explosive hip roller, playing with properly bent knees that he uses well, along with his strength to push and wall off his man. When he extends his arms and executes his hand punch, his upper-body power will see him jolt and control the defender. He will sometimes overextend and try to maul the opponent, but shows good pop driving into the defender on running plays. He demonstrates good hand usage and above-average strength to shock and jolt, but will have to add more bulk to maintain that consistency at the next level. He accelerates quickly coming off the ball and his low pad level lets him get underneath the defender to sustain. He is a very good positional mover who can maul. He uses his hands with force, delivering a solid punch to stymie the bull rush and knocks people off balance with his explosion off the snap. He is not the type who will lean and shove, preferring to attack and grind it out until the whistle. His lower-body flexibility is superb and he drives off the ball with good urgency. When he makes contact, he hits with thud and good pop. His 2008 offseason work in the weight room was evident by the power and violence behind his punch. He has that upper-body power to jolt defenders and with his strong hands, he did a really nice job of locking on and controlling his opponent until the whistle. GRADE: 7.4


    Run Blocking: Monroe comes off the snap with a hard surge and good leg drive, possessing the feet to stay on his blocks and sustain. Is a good upper-body blocker who shuffles his feet. As a zone blocker, he has more than enough strength to move out level one defenders. Once he gains position off the snap, he has the strength to wall off. He has a good concept for taking proper angles to cut off second-level opponents and shows outstanding ability leading on long pulls. He is still more comfortable working in space, as he shows better explosion getting out to search and neutralize linebackers, but has the leg drive and lateral movement to be quite effective maintaining rush lane integrity. In 2008, he showed very good improvement in attempts to scope, sustain and make reach blocks than in the past (struggled in 2006 while slowly recovering from a dislocated left kneecap). He plays on his feet and battles throughout the play. He gets very good hip roll, which lets him be more physical and aggressive coming off the snap. He sets his base a little high at times when blocking in-line, but generally does a solid job of using his size to maul and take over on blocks. If he locks on to a defender, he will generally win the battle. He can drive with good initial force, but is best when accelerating to get to the second level. In 2008, Monroe was very good at using his quickness to explode off the snap. He has the power to deliver pop on contact and the leg drive to generate movement. He adjusts well on the move and has the speed to pull and reach the second level. He also showed better ability to take angles when blocking down field. GRADE: 7.9


    Pass Blocking: Monroe uses his foot quickness well to shuffle his feet and slide back with ease when taking on edge rushers. He stays square and balanced, keeping his pad level low. Even when he gets overextended, he is quick to recover. He generates a strong anchor and good field vision to recover vs. double moves. He is quick to pivot in attempts to counter the speed rush, as he shows good urgency getting to his reach point. He uses his long arms effectively in attempts to extend and lock on to the defender's jersey. He has the speed to mirror and square up with an opponent, as his strong anchor lets him maintain position when trying to neutralize the pass-rush charge. He seems to be getting comfortable with edge blocking, showing the foot quickness in his kick-slide to mirror, but will drop his head. With his lateral quickness, he can slide and readjust. Monroe plays with good awareness and has the flexibility along with functional lower-body strength to anchor. Few offensive tackles demonstrate his hand quickness. He comes out of his stance with good urgency and a solid base, opening his hips quickly to pivot and adjust to the speed rush. In 2008, Monroe showed that he has the active feet and balance in his kick slide, along with the long arms to simply engulf edge rushers. He has the ability to use his speed and wingspan to handle movement on the edge and even improved his footwork working in-line. He still has some lapses when he sets up too wide, but with his balance, he is quick to recover. GRADE: 8.5


    Pulling/Trapping: Monroe's quickness suggests that the coaching staff should find more ways to using him on pulls. He is an athletic blocker who is smooth in his movement getting into the second level. He has the body control to execute blocks in space and plays with a strong base that makes it very difficult for the defender to get him off his feet. His quickness coming out of his stance and outstanding body control allows him to make fluid adjustments working in space, making him an ideal lead blocker on long pulls and playing downfield. Great ease of movement in his hips when changing direction and he has more than enough balance to stay on his feet on the move. He adjusts well to pick up stunts when working in-line and shows very good explosiveness to get out and make plays in space. His change-of-direction agility lets him make good contact on the move, especially when he attempts to neutralize linebackers. In 2008, the staff used him more on pulls and traps. He has that rare speed to get out front and the body control to adjust and make contact when on the move. GRADE: 7.5


    Adjust on Linebacker Downfield: Monroe is capable of getting on top of the linebackers, as he will use his long arms to engulf and his strength to pancake them in the open. He has good hip swerve that he uses to adjust and make contact when delivering open field blocks. He has the balance and foot speed to get in front of the charge on pulls and roll-outs, taking proper angles to get into the second level. He is always looking for linebackers to attack. He shows great ease of movement in space and has the body control and base to get position and keep it. He takes proper angles to cut off and when he wheels on the linebacker, he will quickly neutralize the opponent. He is very alert when working in space and likes to use his hands with force to shock and jolt. In 2008, Monroe did a nice job of adjusting his feet on the move and it was rare to see him fall off his blocks or be on the ground. He demonstrates proper knee bend and balance to bump off the defensive end when used on the stretch play and also is effective climbing the wall to attack the linebackers when working in-line. GRADE: 7.7


    Use of Hands/Punch: Monroe has the hand strength to stun and control defenders with his hand punch. Before the 2008 season, he needed to develop better technique in getting underneath defenders. He made strides using his hands to lock on and grab. As a junior, he displayed much better ability of throwing his hands, thanks to good timing. He has the long arms to pressure, using his strength and pop on contact to jolt and control the opponent. When he attacks a defender with his hand punch, he will generally neutralize him. He will get reckless at times and take long arm swipes, causing the defender to slip off his blocks, but shows enough redirection agility to recover. He has made very good improvement in resetting his hands, getting proper separation when doing so. He is more of a punch-and-shock type, but is also learning how to use his hands better to control. In 2008, Monroe was more aggressive with his hands. He has that natural upper body strength and violent hand punch to jolt the defender and is very active using his hands to control his man when setting up in pass protection. GRADE: 6.8


    Reactions/Awareness: Monroe is a quick-footed athlete whose ability to shuffle and slide makes him an ideal fit at left tackle. He is quick to recover when caught out of position and shows good urgency and vision to handle twists and games. He is very natural reacting and executing blocks on the move. His foot speed lets him get to his reach point and cut off edge rushers and he displays good body control when readjusting to movement. He does a good job of shuffling his feet. When he gets too tall in his stance, he can get caught out of position (will lunge and fail to recover), but when he stays square, he maintains good balance. He does a nice job of picking up stunts and blitzes with his balance and foot speed. He also demonstrates above average ability to slide and readjust when working off the edge. In 2008, Monroe still stands upright at times, but with his balance and foot quickness, he's quick to recover. He needs some refinement shuffling his feet to react quicker to the blitz, but even when he overextends, he showed the balance to move his feet to get into position to protect the pocket in pass protection. He still needs to see the big picture quicker, but he does a good job of recovering and holding his ground. GRADE: 6.5

    Compares To: WALTER JONES, Seattle -- Both players are blessed with excellent athleticism and agility, along with the quick feet to mirror speedy edge rushers. Monroe is a solid run blocker, plays on his feet with very good balance and has excellent body control. He has the strength to gain position when working in-line and creates and widens rush lanes. He is capable of staying on his feet and sustaining blocks, using his hand strength well to lock on and control his man. He competes until the whistle and plays with good aggression. His field vision and awareness are evident by his ability to pick up line games and blitzes. His body control lets him readjust and deliver crunching blocks in the second level. With his fluid body flexibility, he has no problem sinking his hips and anchoring to protect the pocket. By remaining healthy as a senior, he has the athletic ability and pedigree to be the first offensive lineman taken in the 2009 NFL Draft.
    OVERALL GRADE: 7.53


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    Re: In depth scouting reports on Smith and Monroe

    Great input, Beast.

    There's a lot of great analysis here, especially regarding the more finesse, technical parts of the game. These things aren't the grail, however, so exercise a degree of caution when you're reading.

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    Re: In depth scouting reports on Smith and Monroe

    Most comprehensive analysis you can find on the net. It makes alot of sense the funny thing is the sight still has Smith ahead on there big board. Off the tape alone Monroe is much better than Smith, but when it comes to off the tape things like upside and some intangible Smith is ahead. I was all for Smith before I read this, but now I'm leaning towards Monroe, because he will have a greater immediate impact and we really need that considering we currently only have 1 true tackle on the roster

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    Re: In depth scouting reports on Smith and Monroe

    That is some interesting and detailed information. It seems strange that Monroe's General Report grade comes out at 7.04 (lower than Smith) when his scores in those categories average 7.24 (higher than Smith). Based just on what is said here, Monroe does sound like the better run blocker and the more NFL-ready prospect.

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    Re: In depth scouting reports on Smith and Monroe

    i dont no how the results came out so close since monroe is better at nearly every aspect and has played in a pro offense. He is more nfl ready and his mark should be higher. i wonder what andre smiths report is because he is the best tackle in the draft on a pure physical and game basis.

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    Re: In depth scouting reports on Smith and Monroe

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenfleece View Post
    That is some interesting and detailed information. It seems strange that Monroe's General Report grade comes out at 7.04 (lower than Smith) when his scores in those categories average 7.24 (higher than Smith). Based just on what is said here, Monroe does sound like the better run blocker and the more NFL-ready prospect.
    You have to look at the overall grade not the general. Monroe is a 7.53 and Smith is a 6.99

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    Re: In depth scouting reports on Smith and Monroe

    Yeah can you get any of the other OT's grades up here too?

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    Re: In depth scouting reports on Smith and Monroe

    Nevermind, found it on my own

    Andre Smith- 7.28 (8.7 run, 7.4 pass)
    Michael Oher- 6.70 (8.0 run, 7.6 pass)
    Eben Britton- 6.96 (7.3 run, 7.6 pass)
    William Beatty- 6.58 (7.0 run, 6.4 pass)
    Jamon Meredith- 6.1 (5.7 run, 6.2 pass)
    Phil Loadholt- 6.16 (7.0 run, 6.3 pass)
    Troy Kopog- 6.4 (5.6 run, 6.8 pass)
    Gerald Cadogan- 6.36 (7.0 run, 6.8 pass)

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    Re: In depth scouting reports on Smith and Monroe

    wow andre smith has a pretty dam good grade for run blocking. Im surprised merediths grade is so low hes a really good opening the running lanes and could produce as a good rt. too bad andre ruined his stock im sure sjax would want another key to the running game.

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    In comparison ...

    ...I'd like to see ANDRE Smith's profile/analysis along side these guys.

    You never know.

    He deserves to be in the conversation.

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    Re: In depth scouting reports on Smith and Monroe

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    Eugene Monroe Scouting Report

    Competitiveness: Competitive enough that coaches have extolled his high threshold for pain and willingness to play through injuries. He plays with great effort and toughness until the whistle and will not hesitate to go downfield and block, playing as if he has a "chip on his shoulder" and that defensive linemen are his mortal enemies. He competes hard in both games and practice and the coaching staff cites his work ethic. He will not hesitate to intimidate an opponent. In 2007, he did tend to get a little overaggressive, but is quick to recover. He is the type that plays until the whistle and keeps his head on a swivel looking for defenders to attack. He consistently finishes and likes to mix it up in the trenches. He has a mauler's personality and always finishes off his blocks. He works hard to redirect and sustain and will play through pain. In 2008, Monroe displayed more aggression in his game. Despite the team's poor play, he never throttled down on the field, playing each down with the same vigor. His epic battle with Georgia Tech's Michael Johnson proved that he has the heart and desire to play up to the NFL level. GRADE: 7.3


    Work Habits: Monroe is a hard worker in the weight room and on the practice field. Even when slowed by injuries, the coaches were hesitate about moving All-American Branden Albert to left tackle, feeling that Monroe was the far superior player. He did have to alter his training some due to knee problems during the 2007 off-season, but he is a self-starter type who performs with a good attitude and is developing fine leadership qualities. He is sometimes too critical of his performances, but it is his strong work ethic that drives him to be the best that he can. He could use better midsection muscle tone (bit of a gut), but does have the athletic ability to play low in his pads. He has no problems doing what the coaches ask, making him the "good soldier" that an NFL coach will find is an eager student with a thirst for football knowledge. GRADE: 7.0
    Music to my ears! Just like my post last night about how I’m not sure if Andre Smith would keep his killer instinct after he gets paid and his team sucks, Monroe is exactly the opposite and seems like he’d be the guy who would keep us fighting when the chips are down. I definitely rate Monroe higher, but Jason Smith’s upside is appealing as well, and don’t feel we can go wrong with our first pick, so long as it’s one of these two or Curry.

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    Re: In depth scouting reports on Smith and Monroe

    GENERAL REPORT: GRADE: 6.42
    Body Structure: Barrel-chested athlete with a thick bone structure, very wide hips, massive thighs, big hands and good arm length. Has good overall muscle development for a player his size, but needs to keep his weight in check, having lost over 25 pounds in 2007 to improve his marginal mobility. He still needs to lose considerable body fat, especially around his soft midsection. He has an outstanding bubble, good shoulder and chest width and developed calves.
    Athletic Ability: Smith has good athletic ability for a player his size, but does struggle considerably when having to move laterally, especially to his left side. He is light on his feet and has an explosive straight-line burst, but looks lethargic moving down the line. It is rare to see him on the ground (only when he over-extends and lunges as a run blocker) and he shows good upper body flexibility with his hand placement. He has good body control and generates movement on the short pull, which could see him earn playing time at offensive guard earlier in his career. He plays on his feet, thanks to a strong anchor and above average balance in the trenches. He can slide and adjust in pass protection (has a good retreat slide, but labors moving to his left) and despite a soft midsection, he does a decent job of keeping his pads down to drop his weight and anchor. He does have weight issues and needs to keep his weight in check in order to generate better mobility. GRADE: 7.7
    Football Sense: Appears to have a good grasp of the playbook, but will get lazy at times and might need several reps before he gets the play right (retains, but needs to work at it). He plays with better awareness on drive blocks than in pass protection. He has had problems picking up the cadence, which has led to more than a fair share of costly false-start penalties (two in 2008, five in 2007). Can locate and pick up games easily and when he chips to the second level, he shows the edge awareness to neutralize defenders in space. He doesn't recover well when second-level defenders spin off blocks and needs to show more aggression on the move. Would much rather absorb the opponent than attack. It will be interesting to see if his adequate test scores are a result of a lack of effort or a possible learning disability; plays more on instincts than with field savvy. GRADE: 6.4
    Character: Runs hot and cold. The coaches have cited "growing pains," especially with his work ethic. He gets by a lot on physical talent and while his suspension was well-publicized, there have been other "minor" issues that make one wonder if he will just go through the motions or that he will mature at the next level. GRADE: 5.5
    Competitiveness: On the field, Smith will challenge any opponent that dares to get in his way when drive blocking. He knows how to use his explosive upper-body power to punish, but will get lazy during the games and shows inconsistency shooting those powerful hands. There are times when he simply dominates the action, but when he feels that he is not being challenged, he will throttle down. Scouts have often shown concerns about his lack of a consistent motor, especially questioning his overall aggressiveness. GRADE: 6.5
    Work Habits: Smith has always battled the "bulge" and while he is best playing at 335-340, he has seen his weight balloon to the 375-380 range, where that added bulk has affected his overall mobility. He needs to be monitored in the training room, but will respond to tough coaching. GRADE: 6.0
    ATHLETIC REPORT: GRADE: 7.45
    Initial Quickness: On a straight-ahead burst, Smith is usually very quick as a drive blocker and can flash suddenness to gain advantage on a lethargic defender. He has unusual first-step quickness moving forward for a big man, but is not as quick setting up in pass protection, as he has had difficulties mirroring the quicker edge rushers. While flashy in pass protection, he doesn't generate the suddenness in his pass set and slide as he does when moving forward as a drive blocker. Still, he can gain position working in-line and has a good concept for angling getting into the second level. GRADE: 7.5
    Lateral Movement: An area of concern. Smith is either lethargic in his kick slide or has issues moving laterally due to his girth and soft midsection. He has had a very hard time handling edge rushers when having to slide to his left. He has the speed and angle concepts to get into the second level on screens or running plays, but he does get lazy driving his feet, allowing defenders a chance to slip off his blocks. GRADE: 5.6
    Balance/Stays On Feet: Smith is an immovable object when he anchors, thanks to his strong base and massively thick legs. He might overextend and lunge on some run blocks, but once he locks on to an opponent, he puts his foot into the ground solidly and with his strong base, has no problems handling multiple defenders on twists and games. He destroys bull rushers with his anchor and hand punch (though inconsistent shooting his hands). He has a good feel for using his hands to sustain and plays with good effort working in-line. He is strong, but you would like to see him finish with better aggression. With his athletic ability, he can stay on the bigger defenders, but his feet do tend to wear down when he is constantly challenged by speedy edge rushers. GRADE: 8.3
    Explosion/Pop: With his straight-line explosion, Smith has had great success surprising and shocking his opponent off the snap. He holds the point of attack with a very strong base and shows tremendous upper body and hand power to move the pile and widen the rush lanes. He can be explosive gaining movement and on contact when he keeps his pad level down. He simply knocks opponents off the line of scrimmage coming out of his stance and uses his mass well to create space on the move. He can strike and control his man with ease when he keeps his hands inside his frame. He might not be an explosive hip roller and because of his girth, he will bend some at the waist, but he has more than enough strength to push and wall off. You are impressed when watching film with his ability to jolt and control his man coming out of his stance. GRADE: 8.5
    Run Blocking: This is what Smith does best (31-of-33 touchdown resulting blocks in the last two years came on running plays). He shows excellent initial quickness off the snap, especially on the down block. He does a much better job of opening and rolling his hips on drive blocks than he does in pass protection. He is a good player in space, where he uses his power and size to drive through into the second level. He comes off the line with a good flat-back motion and proper hip snap, using his hand punch with force to stun. With his long arms, he is capable of quickly resetting his hands. He is light on his feet moving forward and looks like a dancing bear mauling smaller second-level defenders. When he gains position off the snap, he uses his strength well to sustain. In the second level, he has a good concept for angling, but will get lazy with his feet if he has to execute a long pull. GRADE: 8.7
    Pass Blocking: Smith is a much better pass blocker with a defender over his head than when having to slide out and mirror an edge rusher. He just seems to lack the lateral flexibility needed to stay with his man when the opponent attacks the backfield off the wide loop. He has the hand punch to pop and control, but for some reason, he would rather absorb defenders rather than initiate contact in pass protection. All of his negative plays in the backfield came against quicker pass rushers (does a much better job vs. the bull rush). With his deep kick-slide and longer arms, should be able to stave off the edge rush, but it is obvious that he has issues going to his left. GRADE: 7.4
    Pulling/Trapping: Smith is not used much on traps and pulls, but with his straight-ahead quickness, he has registered 16 downfield blocks over the last two years. Has good movement skills working in space, but does show marginal change-of-direction agility. He has enough body control and good balance to root out a defender moving down the line, but will get high in his stance, causing him to appear tight when trying to open his hips. Quick out of his stance and shows the ability to make adjustments on the short pull, but might be lacking when needed to execute the long pulls down field. GRADE: 6.6
    Adjust on Linebacker Downfield: With his straight-line speed, Smith can get into the second level, but when he has to go long distances, he tends to get lazy with his feet and does not always maintain his blocks taking on linebackers. Because of his lateral mobility issues, he can't wheel and cut off defenders as well as he does at the line of scrimmage. He will take good angles, but is just not as quick downfield as he is at the point of attack. GRADE: 6.3
    Use of Hands/Punch: Can flatten an opponent with his punch, but needs to do a better job of keeping his hands inside his frame. He will swing wildly, lunge and overextend, lacking the hip snap to quickly recover. He can generate force with either hand and will generally stun the bigger bull rushers in one-on-one confrontations. He does get caught holding at times and needs to improve technique, but he has excellent lock-out ability once he gets a piece of the defender. Hands explode into an opponent on contact and when working at the line he is much more patient and consistent throwing his hands with proper timing. He has the long arms needed to pressure and keep defensive ends at bay and shows outstanding (though inconsistent) strength to jolt and control. GRADE: 8.0
    Reactions/Awareness: Very good at locating and neutralizing the inside blitz, but his lack of lateral agility sees him struggle vs. quicker edge rushers. He has a good feel for taking on the right defender when more than one opponent attacks him. It is rare to see him cross his feet moving along the line, even though he lacks good lateral agility. He might get caught leaning too much on drive blocks, but he is light on his feet playing in the short area. He has the quickness to reach the cut-off point to mirror the bull rusher, and while just an adequate student, he should have no problem with the mental aspect of a physical ground game. GRADE: 7.6
    Compares To: LEONARD DAVIS, Dallas -- Davis is at least two inches taller, but both could be better lined up inside. Davis proved to be a better interior performer after trying to play on the edge. While Smith might be a good fit at right tackle, some prefer him better as an interior lineman, feeling his lack of lateral range (especially moving to his left) is a big concern for a player that must protect the quarterback's blindside. To date, he has made a nice living vs. smaller opponents (average weight of his main blocking assignment over the last two years is 262.4 pounds, more than 80 pounds lighter than Smith), but in the NFL, he will face much bigger and much quicker defensive ends and his excellent straight-line explosiveness will compensate for his lateral mobility problems.
    OVERALL GRADE: 7.28



    curry and crabtree dont have any grades given to them but it would be interesting to see what they got since someone who got a grade of 8 or higher would definately be taken before one of the OTs.

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    Re: In comparison ...

    Quote Originally Posted by ramdan View Post
    ...I'd like to see ANDRE Smith's profile/analysis along side these guys.

    You never know.

    He deserves to be in the conversation.
    Why, why does he deserve to be in the conversation? He had his chance to be in the discussion by he pissed it away by not having enough self control and work ethic to prove himself to be the best tackle in the draft. There's no way in hell I'd give him Top 10 money. I'd be afraid he'd either not show up to practice at all, or show up looking like Rosie O'Donnell.

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    Re: In depth scouting reports on Smith and Monroe

    andre smith has the best physical ability and he has far and away the best footwork of all of the OTs. he is the only one to have immovable object in his report, and i like to see that. its a shame his work habit is bad and coaches say that his emotions run hot and cold because thats the only thing that puts him behind monroe. i dont think his man boobs matter at all in the equation, and his 19 reps on the benchpress were due to his long arms and bad form not because of his strength. i really dont see how any of these players deserve #2 money because they either have a chance to bust like andre or they arent game ready yet like jason and eugene. i also think this regime is going to give barron a chance on his real side since he cannot cope on the right side, and with andre getting an 8.7 on the run he would be a nice anchor on RT. this is sad since there is no way anyone is going to draft a RT #2, especially with attitude problems, so if curry is taken by detroit the FO has to decide which of the 2 OTs to take and right now monroe looks like the best choice.

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    Re: In depth scouting reports on Smith and Monroe

    You know, I'm not sure "immovable object" is such a good thing for a player guarding the perimeter. It's hard to argue that Andre has the best physical ability when all of his pro day times wouldn't have even placed him in the top ten at the Combine. His appearance and testing both suggest that he's out of shape. The scouting report also suggests concerns about his inability to keep his weight down, while his recent issues raise concerns about whether he has the professionalism and discipline to keep it under control. I think all of those things would put him behind Monroe.

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