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    Re: Is DT Safer then QB?: A Statistical Analysis by Walter Football

    If a guy is drafted in the top 15 and never goes to a SINGLE pro-bowl, how could he be considered a HIT? Just being in the league I'd call that an OK. Look at Big Daddy Dan Wilkinson. The guy was #1 overall and never went to a single Pro-bowl. How is that a hit? Would anyone call Alex Barron a HIT just because he's still a starter in the league?

    Secondly, I looked at this sort of thing last week. Seemed to me, unscientific as it was, if the DT was sold as a pass rushing DT, his chance of being great are more limited. If he's sold as a run stuffer and or NT, his chance of success goes up considerably. Suh is often mentioned for his ability to get sacks and disrupt the QB but in reality his best asset is his ability at stuffing the run.

    In the same line, a QB sold for having a cannon of an arm is far less likely to see success as a QB sold has having premier accuracy. For most of the failures, they were sold for their cannon of an arm.

    Also, Juniors are riskier than Seniors for pretty obvious reasons on BOTH of these positions.


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    Re: Is DT Safer then QB?: A Statistical Analysis by Walter Football

    Quote Originally Posted by thickandthin View Post
    Why? our defense was what held us in games last season, our offense sucked (not SJax) Bradford was predicted to go before Matthew Stafford last season, why are we not jumping to pick him? idk maybe we are just waiting to see if there can be a trade.
    Just because they made stops from time to time does not mean they held us in games. The opponent had an insurmountable halftime lead in 9 of our 15 losses. In many of those cases, the game escaped getting out of hand because the opponents then throttled down the offense in the second. It goes without saying that if we were to make the offense a teensy bit better, their offenses would not be throttled down.

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    Re: Is DT Safer then QB?: A Statistical Analysis by Walter Football

    This means squat to me because if you pick a bust at dt compared to picking a bust at qb you are not set back as bad as when you draft a qb. You bust on a 1st round qb that sets your team back for years. You bust on a dt you throw him out there anyway amd he may not be great but he can play and not kill your team. You throw a Akilli Smith or Jamarcus Russell out there and not only have they killed you with the money they demand but they affect your teams wins and losses directly.
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    Re: Is DT Safer then QB?: A Statistical Analysis by Walter Football

    Quote Originally Posted by thickandthin View Post
    Why? our defense was what held us in games last season, our offense sucked (not SJax) Bradford was predicted to go before Matthew Stafford last season, why are we not jumping to pick him? idk maybe we are just waiting to see if there can be a trade.
    Rams 2009 league rankings:

    Offense - 32nd scoring, 29th yardage
    Defense - 31st scoring, 29th yardage


    The offense is no worse right now than the defense.
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    Re: Is DT Safer then QB?: A Statistical Analysis by Walter Football

    Quote Originally Posted by rammiser View Post
    This means squat to me because if you pick a bust at dt compared to picking a bust at qb you are not set back as bad as when you draft a qb. You bust on a 1st round qb that sets your team back for years. You bust on a dt you throw him out there anyway amd he may not be great but he can play and not kill your team. You throw a Akilli Smith or Jamarcus Russell out there and not only have they killed you with the money they demand but they affect your teams wins and losses directly.
    The only reason a QB sets you back that much further is because a QB is that much more important. Is drafting a QB in the 3rd round really setting you back less? Or is it taking the same risk with a lesser prospect?

    If the Rams had been successful with D. Lewis, they could have invested money and draft picks in other positions instead of drafting Kennedy and Carriker. Heck, if you want Suh, isn't that basically STILL trying to find a solution for the Lewis failure? Isn't that a pretty massive failure happening repeatedly?

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    Re: Is DT Safer then QB?: A Statistical Analysis by Walter Football

    Quote Originally Posted by RebelYell View Post
    The only reason a QB sets you back that much further is because a QB is that much more important. Is drafting a QB in the 3rd round really setting you back less? Or is it taking the same risk with a lesser prospect?

    If the Rams had been successful with D. Lewis, they could have invested money and draft picks in other positions instead of drafting Kennedy and Carriker. Heck, if you want Suh, isn't that basically STILL trying to find a solution for the Lewis failure? Isn't that a pretty massive failure happening repeatedly?
    Sort of. But the people responsible for the massive failure have now been sacked or shunted off to a consulting position where they can simply sabotage our offseason grand strategy by neglecting to mention such critical things as "The 2010 Poison pills will be invoked." We should get it right this time.

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