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    Evaluating Josh Johnson..

    In another thread talking about the rumor that the Rams could possibly do a trade to acquire QB Josh Johnson from the Buccs, I noticed noone knew anything about Josh Johnson nor seen him play (therefore made assumptions of him based on his credentials).

    I then proceeded to find game film on this mysterious Josh Johnson guy. This is what Ive found.

    Played at a Div.1AA school in San Diego. Put up insane numbers during his tenure there:

    Career: 113 TDs-15 INTs. Threw 42 tds and 1 int in one season. Completed 65.9% of his passes in College. NCAA all time leader in passing efficiency rating 176.7. Very fast into his drops. Possesses a quick, compact release and holds the ball high. Whips the ball and will have to learn to generate a bit more power from his lower body. Drops ball into the spot where his receiver is supposed to be rather than simply aiming where he is at in the route. Can throw with touch while standing or on the run. Makes good reads and decisions, intelligent. Does not have a big arm but it is enough to make all the throws. Accuracy is pretty good. Ran 4.5-4.4 40 time at the combine and is a pure athlete in the Vince Young/ Michael Vick mold. Has a pass-first, run second mentality. Seems to be a good guy, humble, competitive and willing to learn. Is very team orientated.

    Made a few rookie mistakes in his starts for the Buccaneers this past year but all were understandable and common and can be coached away.

    His stats in his 4 starts were:
    Touchdowns INTs Sacks
    4 8 11

    3 of those INTs were a result of balls bouncing off the receiver's hands and being popped up in the air and the other 5 were a result of a few passes being jumped by DBs because of too much air underneath throws and in one case not enough velocity. Did well when under pressure and never got rattled or lost his composure but suffered because of having only one reliable option catching the ball in Antonio Bryant. Fairly bad offensive line due to the lost of their starting center saw him at one time throwing 50 balls with no running game and this combined with few receiving options and a blitz happy Eagle's defense resulted in an overall bad game for Johnson.

    Was the 2008 MVP of the Senior Bowl and showcased his throwing and running ability. Received high praise from his coach Jim Harbaugh stating "..If there was an SAT for football, (Josh Johnson) would crush it."

    Johnson has play-making ability and is a threat to score every-time he takes off on a scramble. With 4 starts against good defenses in Washington, Philly, Carolina, and New England under his belt and 2 years with a clip board in his hand, Johnson can be an option for a team like the Rams who are looking for QB help and are in rebuilding mode.

    Finally, I do not want to give up the chance to draft Suh for a trade deal for any QB, let alone Johnson, but i would most definitely be willing to trade for him or give up a 5th rounder and one of our extra 7th rounders to acquire him as a possible candidate for our QB of the future. Deny it if you want, the guy has loads of potential (id wager more than any QB in this upcoming draft) with 2 years of watching NFL defenses and 4 starts more than any rookie.

    Just as good passer if not better than Colt McCoy, Faster and a better scrambler and overall athlete, more experienced. Why not try and acquire this guy for a couple of later round picks, use that high second rounder that you would have used on Colt, on someone else. Draft Suh and virtually have your candidate (lets be honest, any guy we draft would only be a candidate, and with Bradford's injury history and durability concerns, it would be even more risky..) for QB of the future.

    Check out: Weeks 4-7 on Youtube and assess Josh Johnson for yourself. If you have an argument, please respond with answers that make sense and are reasonable.
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    Re: Evaluating Josh Johnson..

    I agree I think that we may as well try to trade for Johnson via 5th, 6th or a 7th round pick. I bet they'd be happy with a 5th rounder to be honest with you. Again, the only way I'd make the deal is by getting a 2nd round pick from Tampa, AND a 4th, 5th, (and getting Johnson also would be a bonus)...


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    Re: Evaluating Josh Johnson..

    i like him as a project, but he is just that - a project. we could draft a project like lefavour in round 3 or 4, so throwing him into the trade that has been discussed doesn't really convince me if it means we aren't getting a second rounder.

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    Re: Evaluating Josh Johnson..

    Quote Originally Posted by Varg6 View Post
    I agree I think that we may as well try to trade for Johnson via 5th, 6th or a 7th round pick. I bet they'd be happy with a 5th rounder to be honest with you. Again, the only way I'd make the deal is by getting a 2nd round pick from Tampa, AND a 4th, 5th, (and getting Johnson also would be a bonus)...

    As a Bucs fan, I have to ask: Why would we trade our promising back up quarterback for a 5th, 6th or 7th round selection? So we can draft another backup with that pick?

    Come on, you have more sense than this. If he's necessary in a combo deal for #1 overall, fine, I can live with that. But trading him to you for a late round pick is NOT going to happen.

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    Re: Evaluating Josh Johnson..

    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick720 View Post
    As a Bucs fan, I have to ask: Why would we trade our promising back up quarterback for a 5th, 6th or 7th round selection? So we can draft another backup with that pick?

    Come on, you have more sense than this. If he's necessary in a combo deal for #1 overall, fine, I can live with that. But trading him to you for a late round pick is NOT going to happen.
    Johnson was drafted in the fifth round when Jon Gruden was in Tampa.

    It is obvious that he is not part of the current coach's plans.

    Why would a trade for a late round pick be crazy?

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    Re: Evaluating Josh Johnson..

    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick720 View Post
    As a Bucs fan, I have to ask: Why would we trade our promising back up quarterback for a 5th, 6th or 7th round selection? So we can draft another backup with that pick?

    Come on, you have more sense than this. If he's necessary in a combo deal for #1 overall, fine, I can live with that. But trading him to you for a late round pick is NOT going to happen.
    I just think we're getting robbed in this deal. I can see getting your second round pick (either one) and JJ but I feel like there's no sacrifice for the Bucs. The Rams more than likely won't be able to acquire McCoy with the 3rd overall pick. I'm content with Keith Null as our backup at this point. Bringing in another one with "upside" is a dime a dozen.


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    Re: Evaluating Josh Johnson..

    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick720 View Post
    As a Bucs fan, I have to ask: Why would we trade our promising back up quarterback for a 5th, 6th or 7th round selection? So we can draft another backup with that pick?

    Come on, you have more sense than this. If he's necessary in a combo deal for #1 overall, fine, I can live with that. But trading him to you for a late round pick is NOT going to happen.
    For one you already have your QB of the future in Josh Freeman and keeping Josh Johnson on your roster when he has starting capabilities and other teams are aware of this is asking for trouble. Why wouldn't you do it for two extra picks in the draft for a QB you 9/10 times will not even use.

    I don't want to trade the Suh pick for Johnson but i would certainly give a 5th and a 7th or maybe perhaps a 4th rounder alone. I think the guy has THAT much potential, but asking for any more wouldn't make sense for you guys as that's probably already pushing it. Guy has a ton of potential and you guys dont need him, and would stockpile a few picks without losing much. Seems fair to me

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    Re: Evaluating Josh Johnson..

    Quote Originally Posted by molar_pistol View Post
    i like him as a project, but he is just that - a project. we could draft a project like lefavour in round 3 or 4, so throwing him into the trade that has been discussed doesn't really convince me if it means we aren't getting a second rounder.
    Im not necessarily suggesting that trade that has been mentioned in previous threads im proposing a new one that has us giving Tampa a 5th rounder and a 7th rounder for Johnson. We still draft Suh and don't waste any picks in this draft on QBs and instead use them to patch up other holes. He is a project but is further along in his development than any QB coming out of college, especially Lefevour, Pike, or any of the other "Second Tier" guys coming out.

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    Re: Evaluating Josh Johnson..

    Quote Originally Posted by Bralidore(RAMMODE) View Post
    Im not necessarily suggesting that trade that has been mentioned in previous threads im proposing a new one that has us giving Tampa a 5th rounder and a 7th rounder for Johnson. We still draft Suh and don't waste any picks in this draft on QBs and instead use them to patch up other holes. He is a project but is further along in his development than any QB coming out of college, especially Lefevour, Pike, or any of the other "Second Tier" guys coming out.
    Query: Do the Bucs run our offensive system, or would we have to deprogram and retrain him anyway?

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    Re: Evaluating Josh Johnson..

    Quote Originally Posted by PeoriaRam View Post
    Query: Do the Bucs run our offensive system, or would we have to deprogram and retrain him anyway?
    Comeback Query: Does any QB coming out of college know OUR offensive system?

    The closest is Clausen who we're very unlikely to get due to our draft position and/or Clausen's status as the unofficial second best QB in the draft.

    Btw is it that hard to learn the system if you already have the fundamentals like taking snaps from under center, dropping back, getting rid of the ball quickly and throwing on the move down....

    Another Query: Do you ever have anything to say other than smart*** comebacks intended to make the other guy look bad?

    Seriously, what's wrong with the scenario Ive thrown out? We get the best player in the draft, keep our high round picks, get the potential "GUY" at QB, and only lose a couple lower round picks that can be replaced with good talent evaluation in FA.

    Give me three good reasons why this is a bad move and I'll leave you to your trolling...

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    Re: Evaluating Josh Johnson..

    Quote Originally Posted by Varg6 View Post
    I agree I think that we may as well try to trade for Johnson via 5th, 6th or a 7th round pick. I bet they'd be happy with a 5th rounder to be honest with you. Again, the only way I'd make the deal is by getting a 2nd round pick from Tampa, AND a 4th, 5th, (and getting Johnson also would be a bonus)...

    The bucs drafted him in the 5th and he has done nothing but improved since he was drafted. Do you really think they'd give him up for another 5th? Seriously guys, think before you post.

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    Re: Evaluating Josh Johnson..

    Quote Originally Posted by Bralidore(RAMMODE) View Post
    Comeback Query: Does any QB coming out of college know OUR offensive system?

    The closest is Clausen who we're very unlikely to get due to our draft position and/or Clausen's status as the unofficial second best QB in the draft.

    Btw is it that hard to learn the system if you already have the fundamentals like taking snaps from under center, dropping back, getting rid of the ball quickly and throwing on the move down....

    Another Query: Do you ever have anything to say other than smart*** comebacks intended to make the other guy look bad?

    Seriously, what's wrong with the scenario Ive thrown out? We get the best player in the draft, keep our high round picks, get the potential "GUY" at QB, and only lose a couple lower round picks that can be replaced with good talent evaluation in FA.

    Give me three good reasons why this is a bad move and I'll leave you to your trolling...
    1. If we have to retrain them anyway, we might as well bring in our own guy from Day 1. If Johnson doesn't know the offense, there's no advantage to bringing him in, since he's right at the same start of the development curve that any other rookie is at. Indeed, it is likely he may have learned habits and tendencies that we would have to break him of in order to get him to play in our system.
    2. We are committed, for better or for worse, to developing Keith Null as a backup. We do not have the roster space to bring in multiple late round picks to "compete" to be an effective starter or at least a backup who will not cause me to switch to hard liquor when they go in the game in 3 or 4 years.
    3. We need the draft picks to build depth on our roster. Depth at the other 21 positions. One of the reasons the Rams are in as bad a state as they are was because this organization took the same attitude towards middle and late round picks that you do; namely that they are throwaway picks to be easily expended without a second thought. Successful organizations don't have this attitude, and I want the Rams to be a successful organization.

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    Re: Evaluating Josh Johnson..

    Quote Originally Posted by Buccaneers View Post
    The bucs drafted him in the 5th and he has done nothing but improved since he was drafted. Do you really think they'd give him up for another 5th? Seriously guys, think before you post.
    Dude, honestly I think its a little disrespectful for you, who just joined, to tell me or anyone whose been on these forums for months or years to think before we post... As for getting a 5th rounder back for JJ, I think you'd be surprised. I wouldn't mind giving up a 5th and a 6th for him at all. And the Bucs would probably be more than happy with that.
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    Re: Evaluating Josh Johnson..

    If we are giving up the equivalent of a second for Johnson, i would prefer to actually get the second and draft a rookie QB in the second round. Or considering the only reason we would trade down to the no. 3 spot was if we wanted a QB, there would be no need to pick up Johnson or a QB in the second round, and instead i would get the second rounder and pick up some help for the front 7

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    Re: Evaluating Josh Johnson..

    Quote Originally Posted by Varg6 View Post
    Dude, honestly I think its a little disrespectful for you, who just joined, to tell me or anyone whose been on these forums for months or years to think before we post... As for getting a 5th rounder back for JJ, I think you'd be surprised. I wouldn't mind giving up a 5th and a 6th for him at all. And the Bucs would probably be more than happy with that.

    5th and 6th is more reasonable, but you were talking about just a 5th earlier

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