And you watch football every Sunday? Ok, so do I. " I can run you under the table with football knowledge." I guarantee you cant. And I respect you're opinion. If you think Finnegan is better, than thats fine. Im sure tons of people think that too. Its very arguable. I'd love to have Finnegan and Bartell too, but with the cap space we have this year, I highly doubt that.
Then the argument is no longer Finnegan vs. Bartell, but Pro Football Focus vs. Football Outsiders.Quote:
For the sole purpose of providing some information that might move the conversation along, consider that Ron Bartell's average ranking by Pro Football Focus based on their cumulative rating at the position from 2008 to 2010 was 62nd. Finnegan's over the same span was 56th.
Looking just at that window gives Bartell an advantage, because it's cutting out Finnegan's 2011 season where he ranked 3rd of all CBs. Since 2008, Bartell has never finished among the Top 20 in CBs when ranked by cumulative CB rating. Finnegan has... twice. In two of those three seasons, Finnegan ranked higher than Bartell based solely on coverage ranking as well.
As Football Outsiders ranked Bartell 5th in 2010 with Finnegan being the one well behind.
But in the end the best point you made was familiarity with Fisher. That will be a huge factor if/when it becomes an either/or situation. I hope it doesn't as I would love to see them both on the field, but I guess time will tell.
That's all I was looking for Nick. I know that there must be a difference between Football Outsiders and PFF, as the charting that FO does tends to favor Bartell over that three year span, but they say that they shave off plays where the CB was not in primary coverage and such, where I don't know what PFF does. Really, all I wanted was someone to come and defend Finnegan with some kind of factual evidence. Stats do not tell the whole story, however, for a position like CB, looking at charted stats such as success rate and the number/percentage of targets(if they're a shutdown guy, there'll be less targets), you can get a bit closer.
Something I did just think of, however, though I won't spend the time to research it properly. Does anyone else find it a bit of a coincidence that the year the Finnegan rates as a top 5 CB, it's the same year that Peyton can't play, Andre is hurt(DNP, 2 for 24 yards with Delhomme, in two games), and Jacksonville is not even worth mentioning offensively? Now, they did play some good passing teams, Pittsburgh, NO, Atlanta, Cinci... they just happened to lose to all of them. Interesting, no?
Also, Nick, I agree with Hub. The best point you made was the fact that Fisher is familiar with him and whether or not we actively pursue him will be all we really need to know. Fisher knows his game quite well, and if he thinks that Bartell cannot play his/Williams' schemes as well as Finnegan, well, chances are likely that we'll be making the switch, regardless of the money.
Just felt the need to defend myself because you were judging my football intelligence that I get my data from 'madden' ratings. I almost didn't even post it, because trust me the last thing I want is to be one of those losers that starts a fight over an internet forum.
Its done. We can move on, and enjoy the Rams off-season as a whole. I respect your opinion too.