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    History Does Not Favor Taking WR At Top Of Draft

    To find ten examples of wide receivers selected in the first five picks of the draft, you have to go all the way back to 1984. Of those taken, most produced numbers on the field, but few proved to be building blocks of successful teams. Here's the list:

    2007 Calvin Johnson (2, Lions)
    Johnson has played well and could one day be an elite WR. His team, on the other hand, just finished an 0-16 season.

    2005 Braylon Edwards (3, Browns)
    Edwards came back from an early injury to become a very productive player. His team, though, regressed this year and demonstrated that it has many needs to fill.

    2004 Larry Fitzgerald (3, Cardinals)
    Fitzgerald is the arguably biggest reason the Cardinals made it to the Super Bowl this year, and could be viewed as an exception. Remember though, he toiled through some losing seasons before the team was built around him.

    2003 Andre Johnson (3, Texans)
    Top 5 WR in the league. Never played a playoff game.

    2000 Peter Warrick (4, Bengals)
    Essentially a bust of a player on a bust of a team.

    1996 Keyshawn Johnson (1, Jets)
    Never turned around the Jets fortunes. Won a Super Bowl late in career as a role player with the Bucs.

    1995 Michael Westbrook (4, Redskins)
    When he wasn't busting teammate's faces, he was a bust.

    1992 Desmond Howard (4, Redskins)
    Never really made it as a WR. Won a Super Bowl MVP with Packers as a return specialist.

    1984 Irving Friar (1, Patriots)
    Had a good career and played in a Super Bowl, but never really was a dominant player.

    1984 Kenny Jackson (1, Eagles)
    Who? A bust who had 126 receptions in his career.

    So, while a WR like Michael Crabtree may be a popular choice due to his potential to put up numbers and make highlight reels, taking a WR that early in the draft really does not appear to be a formula for success.


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    Re: History Does Not Favor Taking WR At Top Of Draft

    But.....but.....but......

    The Cardinals are going to the Super Bowl, and my knee jerk reaction to that statement is to grab Crabtree.

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    Re: History Does Not Favor Taking WR At Top Of Draft

    It wasn't just Fitzgerald. They had Boldin who is a stud also. Crabtree is a special player and strong, reminds me of Terrell Owen's ability (not attitude, ability). However, that being said, without protection it's hard to get the ball to a WR. I wouldn't hate the pick, as I am on record saying the Rams could draft any position except K and P and I'd find argument for it. I just think that the OT's at the top of the draft are special and the Rams should look there in Round 1.

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    Re: History Does Not Favor Taking WR At Top Of Draft

    Crabtree shmabtree. Let some other team over reach/pay for him. Grab my man BARDEN in the second or third. Catch him at the Senior Bowl on the NFL network tomorrow. Hard to miss the only 6' 6" WR on the field.
    "You people point your 'f'in' finger and say theres the bad guy....what that make you....good?" Tony Montana

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    Re: History Does Not Favor Taking WR At Top Of Draft

    R U serious. I would take any of the last 4 WR in a heartbeat. All of these guys are impact players. Most of them are young and have not reached their potentail as of yet.

    Fitz is just starting to reach his potential and if you think his play did not help the Cards then you need to enroll in FOOTBALL 101.

    Johnson when healthy is dominate.

    Calvin is a man-beast and will develop into a dominate player ie.... just look at what he's done with very little talent

    Edwards is hot and cold. He has the talent it's the mental part of the game he lacks. If he can get it toghether he too can be a very dominate player.


    If the Rams took Crabs I would be very happy because I know he will be an impact player in this league. I do believe the Rams can pick and develop talented Offensive Lineman in the later rounds 2,3,4,5..... Just my 2 cents.....
    Last edited by Dominating D; -01-23-2009 at 06:54 PM.

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    Re: History Does Not Favor Taking WR At Top Of Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
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    find ten examples of wide receivers selected in the first five picks of the draft, you have to go all the way back to 1984. Of those taken, most produced numbers on the field, but few proved to be building blocks of successful teams. Here's the list:

    2007 Calvin Johnson (2, Lions)
    Johnson has played well and could one day be an elite WR. His team, on the other hand, just finished an 0-16 season.

    2005 Braylon Edwards (3, Browns)
    Edwards came back from an early injury to become a very productive player. His team, though, regressed this year and demonstrated that it has many needs to fill.

    2004 Larry Fitzgerald (3, Cardinals)
    Fitzgerald is the arguably biggest reason the Cardinals made it to the Super Bowl this year, and could be viewed as an exception. Remember though, he toiled through some losing seasons before the team was built around him.

    2003 Andre Johnson (3, Texans)
    Top 5 WR in the league. Never played a playoff game.

    2000 Peter Warrick (4, Bengals)
    Essentially a bust of a player on a bust of a team.

    1996 Keyshawn Johnson (1, Jets)
    Never turned around the Jets fortunes. Won a Super Bowl late in career as a role player with the Bucs.

    1995 Michael Westbrook (4, Redskins)
    When he wasn't busting teammate's faces, he was a bust.

    1992 Desmond Howard (4, Redskins)
    Never really made it as a WR. Won a Super Bowl MVP with Packers as a return specialist.

    1984 Irving Friar (1, Patriots)
    Had a good career and played in a Super Bowl, but never really was a dominant player.

    1984 Kenny Jackson (1, Eagles)
    Who? A bust who had 126 receptions in his career.

    So, while a WR like Michael Crabtree may be a popular choice due to his potential to put up numbers and make highlight reels, taking a WR that early in the draft really does not appear to be a formula for success.
    Then what position equals success and is the formula tested year in and year out.

    Science and the draft

    When it comes to the draft I am a firm believer if you want to win in this league you assemble the best coaching staff you can and draft the best good character/highly motivated/super smart(j.Gibbs)/talented players you can.

    You then develop a team 1st philosophy and hold every coach and player accountable for good or bad play/effort.

    No Special formula your dealing with humans.....

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    Re: History Does Not Favor Taking WR At Top Of Draft

    Think of it this way...

    Certain positions make other positions better.

    A great OT can make the entire offense better.

    A great NT can make the entire LB corps better.

    A great pass rusher makes the DBs better.

    A WR is dependent upon a QB who can get the ball to him and an O line that can keep the QB upright.

    You build in this league from the inside to the outside. That has been proven time and again. Teams with great skill players but poor interior lines don't go anywhere.

    So, if you think Crabtree is a once in a decade player, take him. But don't expect him to turn the Rams around as long as the team can't block, stop the run, or pressure opposing QBs.

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    Re: History Does Not Favor Taking WR At Top Of Draft

    I agree you need to build the team from the inside out and starting with the Defensive and Offensive Line.

    HOWEVER-- Do you have to do it with 1st round picks. If so? then how many before you actually see the results????

    For example,

    how many 1st round picks have the Rams used in the last decade on Lineman.... I'm not going to do the math but I pretty confident the Rams have used alot. So how many more LINEMAN do we have to draft before we can actually draft a 1st round position player in the draft or actually see the results on the LINE? Is it logical and cap friendly to have more than 3 Offensive Lineman who were drafted in the 1st round and more than 3 on the Defensive Line.

    At some point the team will need some position player?????

    My last point is football is a team sport.... The WR position can be as valuable as a NT. If the Rams can pass it opens up running lanes. When the team can run it in returns can give the QB more time in the pocket.

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    Re: History Does Not Favor Taking WR At Top Of Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    To find ten examples of wide receivers selected in the first five picks of the draft, you have to go all the way back to 1984. Of those taken, most produced numbers on the field, but few proved to be building blocks of successful teams. Here's the list:

    2007 Calvin Johnson (2, Lions)
    Johnson has played well and could one day be an elite WR. His team, on the other hand, just finished an 0-16 season.

    2005 Braylon Edwards (3, Browns)
    Edwards came back from an early injury to become a very productive player. His team, though, regressed this year and demonstrated that it has many needs to fill.

    2004 Larry Fitzgerald (3, Cardinals)
    Fitzgerald is the arguably biggest reason the Cardinals made it to the Super Bowl this year, and could be viewed as an exception. Remember though, he toiled through some losing seasons before the team was built around him.

    2003 Andre Johnson (3, Texans)
    Top 5 WR in the league. Never played a playoff game.

    2000 Peter Warrick (4, Bengals)
    Essentially a bust of a player on a bust of a team.
    I'm taking out the players that were before the past ten years because scouting and the way information is gathered has changed completely...and let's also still admit there is an east coast biasas in college football even to this day. And also because you just pretty much knocked 4 great WR's that I'd LOVE to have on the Rams. So why don't we look at possible reasons why. The big thing I see in common WITH all of them...they freaking lack what I'd refer to as a "real" running game! Without that, you are going to stuggle, no matter how good your line is. Det. hasn't had a great RB since Barry Sanders left. Braylon Edwards has had Jamal Lewis who I've never liked, and when Balt let him go I personally viewed it them feeling he's lost a step. Larry Fitz has had Edge, but adding Hightower changes the running game big time IMO. Andre Johnson barely got Steve Slaton this year, and it looks like he might be the answer at RB. An 8-8 record isn't outstanding, but they are getting better n did play in a brutal division with Tenn, Indy and Jacksonville.

    Our team already has a great RB in Steven Jackson, something I view those other teams as lacking. A top 5 WR, will allow him to break more runs when he does get into the 2nd layer of the D because teams will have to respect the pass. Right now IMO, we are one dimensional, and we need to admit it. Our entire Offense runs through Jackson, and the more we give him the ball, the more of a beating he is going to take and the more likely he is to get injured.

    Right now I wouldn't mind our draft looking like this. Crabtree, Max Ungar, Marcus Freeman (I only saw 5 mins of the senior bowl practice yesturday, but he stood out to me), Top OG on our board, Bear Pascoe, OT/LB project, FB.

    Next yr, I'd be targetting Taylor Mays in round 1, OT/QB dependant on OL play and which QB falls to round 2, LB/CB, LB/CB etc...

    They key for winning games is not to fall behind. Play decent D, and protect the football. Without a running game, and you fall behind by 2 TD's your pretty much F'ed, because teams know you are going to have to pass to get back. IMO, the best arguments about not taking a WR tend to be the ones of the WR coming out early, as they are the ones that are most likely to fail....I forget the numbers, but the are out there. That's why I've never tried to limit my view to just Crabtree, but more specifically to whoever is Top 5 talent at WR, if there even is one after the combine. It just so happens that Crabtree is at the top of the list now, and its mostly because he was double teamed all year, is a downfield threat, will go up and get the ball, and unlike other WR doesn't disappear in the red zone. I want pro-bowlers at the skill positions, not necessarily at the line. I want good players there, they don't have to be great, but good enough to get the job done.
    Last edited by LongBlood; -01-23-2009 at 10:23 PM.

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    Re: History Does Not Favor Taking WR At Top Of Draft

    Just think about WR does not make a team. A high-draft pick WR is a part to build a team. Think about the QBs each one of those recivers had.


    Calvin Johnson- a retired culpepper, and Dan Orlovsky (saftey)

    Braylin Edwards- the only year he had consistency was 2007 where his team won 10 games.

    Larry Fitz- Lienart is proving to be a bust. Just look at what he is doing with Warner's arm.

    Andre Johnson- Who is his qb? Shuab is a scrub and rosenthal needs to learn who to play QB.


    1 WR does not make a team u need another WR and a QB. Look at Fitz he has 2 other WRs and a HoF QB

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