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    I'm starting to think that drafting an O-lineman is not such a good idea!

    Both Orlando Pace and Alex Barron are signed for next year. If we do draft an O-lineman than one of them are going to sit on the bench. Most likely Alex Barron.

    Barron is not that bad of an O-lineman he just gets too many penalties. Witch is more of mental mistakes so with some disipline he could turn into a good OT.

    Last year we drafted Grecco (forgot what round) and he showed signs of a starter toward the end of the season. So he could turn into a starter in 2010 when (most likely) Pace will retire.

    Also this year drafting and OT with the 2nd pick is somwhat a reach. Drafting anyplayer with the top 3 picks (except crabtree) is a reach. This years draft just doesn't seem that good.

    So if none of the top 4 OT (A. Smith, Monroe, J. Smith, Oher) put a great showing in the combine or the months leading to the draft do you still think we will draft one of them?

    B4 i was set on Eugene Monroe but now i'm deciding who it should be Aaron Curry or Micheal Crabtree (sexy pick).


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    Re: I'm starting to think that drafting an O-lineman is not such a good idea!

    Quote Originally Posted by djdeeznutz View Post
    Both Orlando Pace and Alex Barron are signed for next year. If we do draft an O-lineman than one of them are going to sit on the bench. Most likely Alex Barron.

    Barron is not that bad of an O-lineman he just gets too many penalties. Witch is more of mental mistakes so with some disipline he could turn into a good OT.

    Last year we drafted Grecco (forgot what round) and he showed signs of a starter toward the end of the season. So he could turn into a starter in 2010 when (most likely) Pace will retire.

    Also this year drafting and OT with the 2nd pick is somwhat a reach. Drafting anyplayer with the top 3 picks (except crabtree) is a reach. This years draft just doesn't seem that good.

    So if none of the top 4 OT (A. Smith, Monroe, J. Smith, Oher) put a great showing in the combine or the months leading to the draft do you still think we will draft one of them?

    B4 i was set on Eugene Monroe but now i'm deciding who it should be Aaron Curry or Micheal Crabtree (sexy pick).
    We have to draft Crabtree for several reason (many have been touched on in other boards), now I like Aaron, but he projects to be an OLB not an ILB, we can't draft a OT, we drafted linemen last year so drafting the same thing this year will be a waste especially since none of the OT have "STAR" written all over them.

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    Re: I'm starting to think that drafting an O-lineman is not such a good idea!

    Quote Originally Posted by djdeeznutz View Post
    Both Orlando Pace and Alex Barron are signed for next year. If we do draft an O-lineman than one of them are going to sit on the bench. Most likely Alex Barron.

    Barron is not that bad of an O-lineman he just gets too many penalties. Witch is more of mental mistakes so with some disipline he could turn into a good OT.

    Last year we drafted Grecco (forgot what round) and he showed signs of a starter toward the end of the season. So he could turn into a starter in 2010 when (most likely) Pace will retire.

    Also this year drafting and OT with the 2nd pick is somwhat a reach. Drafting anyplayer with the top 3 picks (except crabtree) is a reach. This years draft just doesn't seem that good.

    So if none of the top 4 OT (A. Smith, Monroe, J. Smith, Oher) put a great showing in the combine or the months leading to the draft do you still think we will draft one of them?

    B4 i was set on Eugene Monroe but now i'm deciding who it should be Aaron Curry or Micheal Crabtree (sexy pick).
    I couldn't disagree more. We have been saying the same things about Barron for way to long. Pace has become injury prone so we need a third tackle anyways.

    Grecco could start this year at guard. He has played almost soley at guard and we seem to think guard is his best position.

    People had a lot of questions about guys like Jake Long, Jeff Otah, and Ryan Clady. All three of them had excellent rookie years and could end up being stars. IMO Andre Smith is Jeff Otah, Jason Smith is Ryan Clady, and Eugene Monroe is Jake Long with opposite questions.

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    Re: I'm starting to think that drafting an O-lineman is not such a good idea!

    Quote Originally Posted by 39thebeast View Post
    I couldn't disagree more. We have been saying the same things about Barron for way to long. Pace has become injury prone so we need a third tackle anyways.

    Grecco could start this year at guard. He has played almost soley at guard and we seem to think guard is his best position.

    People had a lot of questions about guys like Jake Long, Jeff Otah, and Ryan Clady. All three of them had excellent rookie years and could end up being stars. IMO Andre Smith is Jeff Otah, Jason Smith is Ryan Clady, and Eugene Monroe is Jake Long with opposite questions.
    I wouldnt be against drafting an OL if we trade down. But if we do stay at #2 all of those guys will be a reach.

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    Re: I'm starting to think that drafting an O-lineman is not such a good idea!

    Quote Originally Posted by djdeeznutz View Post
    Both Orlando Pace and Alex Barron are signed for next year. If we do draft an O-lineman than one of them are going to sit on the bench. Most likely Alex Barron.
    Since when would having depth at tackle be a problem for this team? For the last few years, our best tackle depth has been Todd Steussie and Adam Goldberg. Having a legitimate third tackle - either a rookie learning behind Pace or Barron who has spent time on both sides - will be an advantage.

    Besides, you don't want to wait until you only have one tackle under contract to draft a replacement.

    Quote Originally Posted by djdeeznutz View Post
    Barron is not that bad of an O-lineman he just gets too many penalties. Witch is more of mental mistakes so with some disipline he could turn into a good OT.
    We've been waiting four seasons for Barron to stop making mental mistakes. He's gone through numerous O-line coaches. At this point, he is what he is, and it's not very good.

    Quote Originally Posted by djdeeznutz View Post
    Last year we drafted Grecco (forgot what round) and he showed signs of a starter toward the end of the season. So he could turn into a starter in 2010 when (most likely) Pace will retire.
    Uhh, Greco is a guard. He showed signs of being a starter at guard towards the end of the season. He's not going to replace Pace at LT. I don't think he's a great long-term option at RT either.

    Quote Originally Posted by djdeeznutz View Post
    Also this year drafting and OT with the 2nd pick is somwhat a reach.
    Well, that's your opinion. Which you're welcome to, but it's certainly not a fact that any OT would be a reach. For instance, if the Lions don't want to make Stafford or Sanchez the first player taken, I could see them going OT with that pick. It's in the eye of whoever is grading the players.

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    Re: I'm starting to think that drafting an O-lineman is not such a good idea!

    After watching what has happened the last 3 years with Pace not being able to stay healthy, Incognito unable to keep his head straight, Barron leading the league in penalties and all the inconsistent play and numerous injuries, I'm convinced we need to go with an offensive lineman with the second pick. An OL is arguably the most important component of a successful team and we can't afford to not address it. What good are offensive weapons behind an ineffective line?

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    Re: I'm starting to think that drafting an O-lineman is not such a good idea!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    For instance, if the Lions don't want to make Stafford or Sanchez the first player taken, I could see them going OT with that pick. It's in the eye of whoever is grading the players.
    Bingo !!!

    One more thing on the subject of high draft picks and reaches .. anybody care to venture a guess at what we'll have to pay a player at #2 overall that isn't a QB?

    Another possibility: if we were to draft say Andre Smith, he could end up starting at guard if Spags and crew are tired of Incognito's shenanigans.

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    Re: I'm starting to think that drafting an O-lineman is not such a good idea!

    Quote Originally Posted by r8rh8rmike View Post
    After watching what has happened the last 3 years with Pace not being able to stay healthy, Incognito unable to keep his head straight, Barron leading the league in penalties and all the inconsistent play and numerous injuries, I'm convinced we need to go with an offensive lineman with the second pick. An OL is arguably the most important component of a successful team and we can't afford to not address it. What good are offensive weapons behind an ineffective line?
    I know a good OL is basically the foundation but i see the Rams taking an inside Lineman in round 2 (Alex Mack/ Max Unger).

    This team is not going to be a playoff team next year (ravens had the Defense and what happened to the falcons happens once in 10 years) so i think we should take Crabtree. Then next year get a OT in the 1st round (we will probably be in the top 10 but not top 5). Grecco can step up to be a starting guard and we could re-sign Barron for 2 yrs (dont shoot me now). With some spags disipline maybe Barron will learn not false start so much.

    Our line could look like:
    LT: Barron (or FA)
    LG: Bell
    C: Unger/ Mack
    RG: Greco
    RT: 2010 rookie

    Greco did prove alot toward the end of next year. Bell wasnt bad. Unger is a leader type guy (dont know too much bout mack). The 2010 rookie can come in and do somthing.


    Why doesnt anyone trust Barron? Most of his mistakes are mental and commits plenty of penalties. I think all he needs is disipline. Spags does not seem passive like Haslet or an idiot like lenahan. Spags seems like he will yell at the kid.

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    Re: I'm starting to think that drafting an O-lineman is not such a good idea!

    Quote Originally Posted by djdeeznutz View Post
    I know a good OL is basically the foundation but i see the Rams taking an inside Lineman in round 2 (Alex Mack/ Max Unger).

    This team is not going to be a playoff team next year (ravens had the Defense and what happened to the falcons happens once in 10 years) so i think we should take Crabtree.
    I just don't see the sense in this. You acknowledge that the way to winning is via the OL. You acknowledge that we don't purport to be a playoff team this year. And then I think you might have had some sort of spasm in the time it took you to finish that sentence because it defies any logic or reason you had established. Why not do what we can to win as soon as we can?

    Quote Originally Posted by djdeeznutz
    Then next year get a OT in the 1st round (we will probably be in the top 10 but not top 5). Grecco can step up to be a starting guard and we could re-sign Barron for 2 yrs (dont shoot me now). With some spags disipline maybe Barron will learn not false start so much.
    Which OT? Do you envision that whoever it is is as good a prospect of any of the four we have on our hands at the moment? And if so, why do they become the starter at Right Tackle? Barron has proven that he is adequate as a starting Right Tackle but was less than brilliant on the left side when he's played there. What makes you think that Spagnuolo, a defensive specialist, will magically fix this where coaches with proven track records have faltered?

    Quote Originally Posted by djdeeznutz
    Why doesnt anyone trust Barron? Most of his mistakes are mental and commits plenty of penalties. I think all he needs is disipline. Spags does not seem passive like Haslet or an idiot like lenahan. Spags seems like he will yell at the kid.
    Haslett was far from a passive coach. In fact, I'd say it was the exact opposite. He yelled at kids. He slapped a candy bar from Richie Incognito's mouth the last game of the season. He had a reputation as a disciplinarian. Barron did not seem to get any better. I'm not saying that he won't improve. I'm just saying that at this point in his career, there may be better options available in the draft and in free agency for the Rams.

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    Re: I'm starting to think that drafting an O-lineman is not such a good idea!

    Quote Originally Posted by djdeeznutz View Post
    Why doesnt anyone trust Barron? Most of his mistakes are mental and commits plenty of penalties. I think all he needs is disipline. Spags does not seem passive like Haslet or an idiot like lenahan. Spags seems like he will yell at the kid.
    It doesn't matter whether the mistakes are mental or any other kind (I don't know how you'd make a physical mistake that didn't involve thinking). He makes a lot of them. I saw a list earlier today that attributed 7.5 sacks to him in 2008, which tied with the Raiders' Cornell Green for 27th in the league at RT. That's on top of being one the league's most penalized players at his position. I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't be high on him right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by djdeeznutz View Post
    Both Orlando Pace and Alex Barron are signed for next year. If we do draft an O-lineman than one of them are going to sit on the bench. Most likely Alex Barron.
    I'm going to call you on this one. What Rams offensive lineman has actually sat on the bench a whole season in the last couple years?

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    Re: I'm starting to think that drafting an O-lineman is not such a good idea!

    For those who are hoping that Barron magically transforms himself into a quality LT next season, why are you not applying that same hope to Bennett? I think they're equally (un)likely possibilities.

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    Re: I'm starting to think that drafting an O-lineman is not such a good idea!

    It makes sense to draft an OT this year. I don't see how picking one of the four top ranked tackles in the draft will be a reach. They all have good upside to them. Monroe is an all around tackle, Jason Smith has great athleticsm, Andre Smith is a tenacious run blocker, and Oher can be very dominant in the pass protection when he gets focused.

    Who would we pick as an OT next year? What if some other "sexy" pick comes out next season and we want to draft that guy instead?

    As for Barron, he did a poor job protection Bulger's right side. It's going to be ugly to watch him protect Bulger's blind side.

    Spags wants a big, consistent running game. We can't have that when defenders spill in from the edges and our o-linemen get no push.

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    Re: I'm starting to think that drafting an O-lineman is not such a good idea!

    Quote Originally Posted by djdeeznutz View Post
    I know a good OL is basically the foundation but i see the Rams taking an inside Lineman in round 2 (Alex Mack/ Max Unger).

    This team is not going to be a playoff team next year (ravens had the Defense and what happened to the falcons happens once in 10 years) so i think we should take Crabtree. Then next year get a OT in the 1st round (we will probably be in the top 10 but not top 5). Grecco can step up to be a starting guard and we could re-sign Barron for 2 yrs (dont shoot me now). With some spags disipline maybe Barron will learn not false start so much.

    Our line could look like:
    LT: Barron (or FA)
    LG: Bell
    C: Unger/ Mack
    RG: Greco
    RT: 2010 rookie

    Greco did prove alot toward the end of next year. Bell wasnt bad. Unger is a leader type guy (dont know too much bout mack). The 2010 rookie can come in and do somthing.


    Why doesnt anyone trust Barron? Most of his mistakes are mental and commits plenty of penalties. I think all he needs is disipline. Spags does not seem passive like Haslet or an idiot like lenahan. Spags seems like he will yell at the kid.
    Barron has been less than spectacular on the right side why in the world do you think he would fare any better or be even close to Pace even at this stage of his career.

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    Re: I'm starting to think that drafting an O-lineman is not such a good idea!

    Quote Originally Posted by djdeeznutz View Post
    This team is not going to be a playoff team next year
    All the more reason to draft an OT and let him learn behind Pace while we still have him. Then as the team improves, we'll have a young blind-side tackle ready to contribute.

    Quote Originally Posted by djdeeznutz View Post
    we could re-sign Barron for 2 yrs (dont shoot me now). With some spags disipline maybe Barron will learn not false start so much.
    Quote Originally Posted by djdeeznutz View Post
    Why doesnt anyone trust Barron? Most of his mistakes are mental and commits plenty of penalties. I think all he needs is disipline. Spags does not seem passive like Haslet or an idiot like lenahan. Spags seems like he will yell at the kid.
    I couldn't disagree more. Barron has not been a consistent blocker during his time here, and he hasn't helped himself by being one of the most penalized linemen in the league. Year after year we continue to talk about his dumb mistakes and lack of focus. He's been through numerous coaches and the issue has not been resolved.

    There's no way this guy deserves a contract extension from the Rams for the entirely disappointing job he's done since being drafted. At this point, I'm starting to wonder if he has blackmail photos of you or something.

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    Re: I'm starting to think that drafting an O-lineman is not such a good idea!

    I'm surprised anyone believes that Alex's "only" problem are the false starts. Seriously, are you watching the games? He gets beat a ton, despite being more than athletic enough to man the spot. The issue with him out of college was not physical capability but "want to." At this point, I've seen enough to know that his "want to" is really more like "eh, not today."

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