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    Re: Impact defender at #2? I'd consider Anthony Barr over Jadeveon Clowney

    The only defense I'd like us to take is a DT to help vs the run game, a mid/late round OLB for opposite Tree that's stout vs the run and we of course need a FS and could use a CB.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BarronWade View Post
    AV do you have a personal vendetta against drafting JD CLowney?
    No, I've never met him.

    This goes right back to value argument...You dont draft a OLB in a 4-3 at #2 it makes no sense...
    That's why Jake Matthews is at the top of my board.

    a once in a generation prospect
    I don't share that opinion.

    I apologize I did not quote it but you bring up a case where Clowney maybe only a situational guy but wouldn't that be the case for Barr as well because with Ogletree and JLau; Barr is not playing on third down probably the most impactful down for a defense.
    Read my post again - I addressed his role on passing downs.

    And as for saying move Long inside and Barr outside on 3rd down why cant Clowney and Long keep change spots to confuse the Defense on 1st 2nd and 3rd down...
    Long has played DT in the NFL on a situational basis. There's no precedent for Clowney.

    Its just something to spark up talks Clowney is clearly the best prospect in this draft...If you compare the pass rush repertoire and pass rush abilities you would insane to think Barr is superior to Clowney...Also you would be crazy to think Ocoordinators in college schemed more against Barr than Clowney...IT is obvious who the better prospect is
    No, its not. Different people have different opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseyramsfan View Post

    Seems like anytime somone mentions Clowney AV always has something negative to say...
    I say a lot about a lot of things

    Totally Agree Clowney is the clear #1 player in this draft... If he came out last year he would of been #1... I do agree with needing a OT but not at the cost of passing on Clowney...
    Yes, he would have been the first pick last year.

    Then he had a mediocre season in 2013.

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    Re: Impact defender at #2? I'd consider Anthony Barr over Jadeveon Clowney

    Quote Originally Posted by laram0 View Post
    Barr may be our man if we go defense. Remember when the Texans had the 1st pick in the draft and the top 2 prospects were Mario Williams and Reggie Bush.....I know different regime at Houston but same owner.....All I'm saying is that Houston could surprise us all and take Clowney even though they need a QB.
    That wouldn't be a surprise at all to me. In fact, Clowney would be the only player I'd take at one over a QB if I were a Texan.

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    Re: Impact defender at #2? I'd consider Anthony Barr over Jadeveon Clowney

    Upon my review of both players via youtube, the arguement has to be who would be a better fit for the Rams because there is no comparison in talent level at this stage.

    While many may not agree with Clowney being mentioned as "a once in a generation" prospect there is absolutely no denying his talent, which at this stage is far superior to Anthony Barr.

    To Barr's credit, he's only played the LB position for 2 years, though that also stands to reason why he is no where near the player a motivated Jadaveon Clowney is yet.

    Maybe ONE-day, but certainly not TO-day.

    And as quiet as it's kept, Khalil Mack looks every bit as dynamic as Anthony Barr, but maybe that's just me.
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    Re: Impact defender at #2? I'd consider Anthony Barr over Jadeveon Clowney

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    That's why Jake Matthews is at the top of my board.
    Lets not change the subject here this is Clowney vs. Barr thats it

    Read my post again - I addressed his role on passing downs.
    I have read it and it makes no sense

    First You single out Clowney as initially only being a rotational player; when the same would apply to Barr in your example of him rotating to the D-line on passing situations

    and then you talk up Barr's size and athleticism which still pale in comparison to Clowney; on top of all of that you mention Barr's potential about learning the nuances of his SLB position similar to Ogletree; but forget to mention Clowney's monster potential of being an absolute disruptive pest no matter where he lines up


    Long has played DT in the NFL on a situational basis. There's no precedent for Clowney.
    Clowney has also lined up inside in college on occasion but it just furthers the point Quinn, Long, Clowney (and brockers who everyone forgets) can be regulars on the same defensive line.



    No, its not. Different people have different opinions.
    Some have very stubborn opinions and dont see the reality of the situation...every single thing you mention and hyped about BARR Clowney did better except the consistent production.

    I am really surprised there is even a debate on Clowney vs. Barr and not Clowney as #1 and Kalil Mack and Barr as 2a and 2b...THis is just one of those haters gunna hate moments; U just dont like Clowney like I did not like our selection of Tavon Austin when we made the pick but im happy about it now.

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    Re: Impact defender at #2? I'd consider Anthony Barr over Jadeveon Clowney

    Again, in terms of 'impact', I think we have two terrific candidates here in Barr & Clowney - win win.


    Famous HIT (Horror Inflicting Tackle) by Clowney below. Great press. Is he more than a 'one hit wonder'?

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    How one player will mature compared to the other, which one will absorb NFL coaching better, how will their learning curves develop, etc., etc., are fair subjects for speculation. [ See post #45 for analysis articles on Barr. ]


    The Hype Is No Joke
    By Greg A. Bedard / MMQB, Dec., 2013

    But neither is Jadeveon Clowney's subpar junior season. Once thought to be crown jewel of the 2014 NFL draft, the South Carolina defensive end has opened himself up to scrutiny about his work ethic and maturity. He doesn't turn 21 until Valentine’s Day, but teams are going to dig deep before falling in love.



    COLUMBIA, S.C. — Believe the hype.

    South Carolina end Jadeveon Clowney, heralded as the best NFL defensive draft prospect in more than a decade, trots out of the tunnel at Williams-Brice Stadium for pregame warm-ups before taking on blood rival Clemson on Nov. 30. And, my word, is he physically imposing.

    Listed in the program at 6-6 and 274 pounds—and the eyeball test says that’s close to legit—Clowney, who doesn't turn 21 until Valentine’s Day, looks as if he entered the NFL five years ago. He has muscles from his toes to the top of his scalp. He is rock-solid, especially in his thighs, hamstrings and butt—the nuclear reactor for a pass rusher. He is power personified, with oversized, strapping arms and enormous hands capable of doing with an offensive player whatever he wishes.

    Meld together the best parts of the NFL's most impactful edge players over the last 20 years—the natural power of Michael Strahan, the length of Julius Peppers and the speed of Jason Taylor—and you have the promise of Jadeveon Clowney.

    But will he deliver?

    After NFL personnel departments wrap up their postseason draft meetings and set their draft boards, they’ll fan out across the country again to dig deep on every prospect. Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel and Clowney will be the most scrutinized players from February to early May. In many ways Clowney will be more researched and dissected. While Manziel has let everyone into every aspect of his life through social media, Clowney has only come through as a person in tightly controlled press conferences. There’s much to unearth about him, especially after an underwhelming final season: about his effort, his family and the hangers-on, and his maturity.

    But greatness in the NFL usually comes down to one simple question: Are you motivated by love of the game, or by money?

    "I think there’s flashes of brilliance and flashes of extreme inconsistency," an AFC general manager says of Clowney. "I mean, it’s a boom or bust thing."

    The top-10 showdown with Clemson was supposed to be Clowney's 2013 coming-out party. After not suiting up against Coastal Carolina, he had played just once in the previous 28 days. That should have given plenty of time for his troublesome ribs and/or ankle bone spurs (which likely need surgery) to heal. The No. 10 Gamecocks were facing the sixth-ranked Tigers, their bitter in-state rival in Clowney's final home game. Last season Clowney had 4.5 sacks against the same opponent and the same left tackle, Brandon Thomas. It was time for him to give everyone one final glance at the player who, by the end of last season, was probably the most impressive sophomore defensive prospect in recent memory.

    Yet as has been the case for most of this season, Clowney didn’t have much of an impact. On Clemson’s first touchdown he followed the fake, not realizing the run was through his gap until quarterback Tajh Boyd went by him for the easy score. Clowney had one sack in the game, but on that play he was actually blocked well by the understated yet effective Thomas; Boyd just ran into the sack. And it’s not as if Clowney was given extra attention: He was single-blocked for much of the game by Thomas, and even sometimes by a tight end.

    Clowney's most impressive play came with 6:12 left in the third quarter, when he slipped inside Thomas with a swim move and decked Boyd in just 1.82 seconds, forcing an incomplete pass. Ferocious explosiveness. And that’s what sends the tongues of NFL personnel evaluators wagging.

    "When you look at him on film, he can do whatever he wants to do," says an AFC college scouting director. "When he’s locked in and engaged … it takes such a concentrated effort to neutralize him. It opens up opportunities for others to make plays."

    Clowney's best asset is his power. He hasn't even developed the proper handwork needed in the NFL, and yet he’s shown the ability to overpower opponents. His first step is devastating, and he has very good quickness in a small box, able to make one move and go like few can.


    That’s what happened on the hit-heard-around-the-country in the Outback Bowl against Michigan last season. Clowney was in the backfield in 1.45 seconds—just after running back Vincent Smith got the handoff—and jarred the Wolverine’s helmet off. That’s great and all, but Clowney wasn't blocked. "It’s not like he destroyed a blocker and made that play," the AFC director says.

    Clowney isn't a bend-around-the edge rusher like Robert Mathis, Robert Quinn, Von Miller or Aldon Smith. He is extremely stiff in the hips, a straight-line player. That’s why, in a survey of six NFL front office executives, Clowney is viewed optimally as a 4-3 left defensive end, where he can hold the edge against the tackle and/or tight end in the run and turn it loose when needed. He’ll be especially lethal when kicked inside in sub-packages to overwhelm guards.

    "Strahan ran a 4.9 but had great power," says an NFC personnel director. "He was able to develop his pass rush. [Clowney will] be able to power some people and then develop as a pass rusher."

    Some old-school types feel that being a strong-side outside linebacker in a two-gap system would be best for Clowney, although the use of those schemes is dwindling because of the speed in today’s game.

    "Bill Belichick would make a monster out of him," says an NFC general manager, who likens Clowney's physical attributes to those of former Patriots outside linebacker Willie McGinest, who was drafted fourth overall by Bill Parcells in 1994.

    "Parcells would have loved to put [Clowney] at SAM linebacker outside and set that edge, and would have just loved this kid—the way he played, maybe not the kid himself," adds the NFC personnel director.


    What about Clowney the person?

    Outwardly, he appears to be a happy-go-lucky kid with a ready smile. That can be viewed as not being serious enough about the task at hand, but that’s a bit unfair. Those who have known him for a while say Clowney is a big kid at heart, which some might use to explain how he was recently ticketed for going 110 in a 70 mph zone. It would also induce the maturity questions that are on the minds of NFL talent evaluators.

    It doesn't help that South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier has mostly restricted Clowney to talking in press conferences after games. But it would be a mistake to make the leap and think that it’s correlated to Clowney's lack of maturity: Spurrier restricts all the players, mostly to keep distractions to a minimum, but also to prevent one player from being perceived as being above the team.

    Clowney's background—he was raised mostly by a hard-working single mother after his father spent almost 12 years in prison for second-degree burglary—will receive scrutiny, but other draft prospects have come from much worse. Cowboys receiver Dez Bryant’s mother had him when she was 14, and he had to live in several homes after her arrest and conviction for selling crack cocaine. Despite all that, and with some hard work by the Cowboys to supervise his activities and financials, Bryant has flourished.

    "Whoever drafts him is going to dig into every nook and cranny," says an AFC GM. "And they’re going to see what’s in his soul."

    The reason is that Bryant loves the game of football. He treated spring games in college like they were the Super Bowl, even as he got closer to the NFL. Evidence, and it is admittedly circumstantial, shows that Clowney is not the same breed of competitor.

    As a sophomore last year, Clowney had 54 tackles, 23.5 for loss, and 13 sacks. With one game to play in his college career, he has 35 tackles, 10.5 for a loss, and three sacks in 2013. Clowney has certainly received more attention from blockers, and teams try to go away from him, but that alone doesn’t explain the downturn. The game tape never lies.

    "Looking at him this year compared to last year, it seemed like last year every single play was balls to the wall, hell on wheels," says the AFC executive. "This year, there’s a lot of plays where he comes off the ball super hard, and if the ball is away he just kind of chills and watches the play. There’s definitely going to be some questions about that."


    There was also the well-documented situation in October when Clowney informed Spurrier just before kickoff against Kentucky that he couldn't play. Elite recruits often rule the roost once they’re established at schools. The coaches have little power once that happens, even less when a player like Clowney knows he isn't just turning pro but is a top-10 pick who could have sat out the entire year to avoid getting hurt without affecting his draft stock. Combine that with Clowney's watching Marcus Lattimore, the Gamecocks’ star running back, drop from a first-round talent to the fourth round because of a gruesome knee injury last year, and the stars aligned for Clowney's subpar season—perhaps dropping him from being the first overall pick.

    "I don’t see how that is such a factor that a team would take him off their board," says an AFC scouting director. "Yeah, he’s immature and a young kid, but you can also go against that and say when he had a chance to shut it down, he did decide to come back. I think some of that can be overblown."


    ...There’s still a question of how much Clowney lives and breathes football.

    Those who know him well say he loved to play the game in high school, and during his first two years at Carolina. But this season, with the rib and ankle issues, and teams dedicated to stopping him, Clowney has appeared to grow frustrated on game days. If Clowney is already having problems dealing with his first football adversity, how is he going to handle the NFL, a league that is tough from down to down in practice, let alone games? That’s what teams headed for the top of the draft will be digging through as draft day approaches.

    Jevon Kearse was selected 16th overall by the Titans and coach Jeff Fisher (now with the Rams) in 1999 out of Florida. At 6-5, 262 pounds, and having run a 4.42 in the 40-yard dash—all comparable to Clowney’s actual or projected numbers—Kearse was known as "The Freak" for his unreal athleticism. He had 14.5 sacks as a rookie and was named first-team All Pro and Defensive Rookie of the Year. Kearse had double-digit sacks in each of his first three seasons, but never again.

    "Does [Clowney] have all the talent in the world? Yeah," says the AFC GM. "For people to get secure with him, it’s going to come in the interviews, the one-on-ones with teams. They’ll try to get him off the pre-scripted stuff from the agent. You have to be able to pass that smell test. Whoever drafts him is going to dig into every nook and cranny on him. And they’re going to see what’s in his soul. They’re going to see what makes him tick."

    All six personnel executives who were consulted for this story said it’s imperative that Clowney lands with a top-notch defensive line coach who can draw the best out of him on a consistent basis. Peppers had many of the same questions surrounding him when the Panthers took him with the second overall pick in 2002. While he hasn't been the model of consistency, he still has 118 sacks in 12 seasons and has been a top force his entire career. With the Panthers, Peppers also had John Fox as his head coach and Mike Trgovac as his coordinator, two supreme motivators. Same with Rod Marinelli in Peppers’ first three seasons with the Bears.


    Where will Clowney land? Right now, the Texans have the first pick and a glaring need at quarterback, where Louisville’s Teddy Bridgewater is the clear-cut top prospect. But Houston could address several positions. The intrigue really starts with the Rams, who have the second selection via Washington and the Robert Griffin III trade. St. Louis also has its own first-round pick (currently 13th).

    The Rams appear to be happy with quarterback Sam Bradford, who has two years remaining on his contract and is coming back from ACL surgery. Left defensive end Chris Long received a contract extension before the 2012 season. Right end Robert Quinn is second in the league with 13 sacks. But the Rams still don’t have a top-flight pass rush. They’re 13th in the The MMQB’s Pressure Points rating, which measures the total pressure generated on opposing quarterbacks. Clowney, in a three-man rotation and at tackle in sub-packages, would help make their rush one of the best in the league. But the Rams could also use immediate help on the offensive line, safety and receiver.

    [Following is a poll within the article]

    Where will Jadeveon Clowney land in the 2014 NFL draft?

    * First overall pick
    * Somewhere between Nos. 2–10
    * Outside the top 10


    The Falcons currently sit in the third spot, and if there’s any team that desperately needs an impact pass rusher, it’s Atlanta. It ranks 30th in Pressure Points and is tied for 27th in sacks. The Falcons also need help on the offensive line, and several prospect tackles could have first-round grades. But Clowney makes all the sense in the world. Would general manager Thomas Dimitroff, whose daring trade for receiver Julio Jones doesn't look great today, trade up to get Clowney? It can’t be ruled out. "I can see Atlanta doing something," says the AFC general manager. "They have an extreme need. He needs defensive help a lot."

    After that, there are four quarterback-desperate teams: Minnesota, Jacksonville, Cleveland and Oakland.

    Wherever he lands, Clowney will be subjected to a spotlight that will make what he’s seen as the nation’s top high school recruit, and in the artificially cozy confines of Columbia, look like a reading light. He’ll be on a high wire without a net. There’s no question he has all the physical tools to be the next great pass rusher; the hype is no joke. It’s how he handles the off-field distractions and the game preparation that will determine whether he realizes his full potential.

    "He's a man amongst boys," says an NFC personnel director. "But he’s one of those guys that’s a Pro Bowler, or he could be a big-time bust depending on what’s on the inside. That’s what we’ll all be digging into."

    We’ll find out for ourselves when Clowney puts his hand into the dirt on Sundays.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BarronWade View Post
    Lets not change the subject here this is Clowney vs. Barr thats it

    I have read it and it makes no sense

    First You single out Clowney as initially only being a rotational player; when the same would apply to Barr in your example of him rotating to the D-line on passing situations

    and then you talk up Barr's size and athleticism which still pale in comparison to Clowney; on top of all of that you mention Barr's potential about learning the nuances of his SLB position similar to Ogletree; but forget to mention Clowney's monster potential of being an absolute disruptive pest no matter where he lines up

    Clowney has also lined up inside in college on occasion but it just furthers the point Quinn, Long, Clowney (and brockers who everyone forgets) can be regulars on the same defensive line.

    Some have very stubborn opinions and dont see the reality of the situation...every single thing you mention and hyped about BARR Clowney did better except the consistent production.

    I am really surprised there is even a debate on Clowney vs. Barr and not Clowney as #1 and Kalil Mack and Barr as 2a and 2b...THis is just one of those haters gunna hate moments; U just dont like Clowney like I did not like our selection of Tavon Austin when we made the pick but im happy about it now.
    If you don't understand how Barr could play SLB on first and second, and rush from the end on passing downs, I don't know how to help you. Clowney does nothing for our need at SLB.

    You can keep repeating that Clowney is the "clear" No. 1 prospect, but its still just an opinion.

    The most comical thing you said is that the only thing Barr has over Clowney is "consistent production." I don't know about you, but I think productivity is pretty darn important.

    If the Rams, after the Combine, pro days, and private interviews conclude that Clowney is the best option, so be it. Right now, though, I don't see him that way.
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    Re: Impact defender at #2? I'd consider Anthony Barr over Jadeveon Clowney

    Hey, this may become quite the see-saw between Barr & Clowney.




    UCLA LB Anthony Barr a 'perennial All-Pro,' coach says

    By Dan Greenspan / NFL News / College Football 24/7 writer
    Published: Dec. 23, 2013 at 03:39 p.m. Updated: Dec. 23, 2013 at 03:57 p.m

    After just one season playing linebacker, Anthony Barr would have been a first-round draft pick, likely going ahead of top-five selections Dion Jordan and Ezekiel Ansah this past April.

    So why did Barr remain at UCLA for his senior season?

    From Alabama all the way down to Navy, Bucky Brooks ranks every bowl team -- all 70 of them -- based on the quality of each team's top NFL draft prospects. More ...
    "I basically was a freshman last year," Barr told USA Today. "I wasn't confident enough to make that jump."

    But after another impressive season during which Barr posted 20 tackles for loss with 10 sacks, five forced fumbles and four fumble recoveries, the lightning quick 6-foot-4, 248-pounder could be the first defender taken in the 2014 NFL Draft.

    Bruins linebackers coach Jeff Ulbrich, who spent 10 years in the NFL playing linebacker for the San Francisco *****, expects Barr to more than live up to that lofty status.

    "He's nowhere near a finished product," Ulbrich says. "I think he's a guy who will continue to get better and will become a perennial All-Pro in the NFL. I tell NFL people looking at him, 'If you like what you see, you'll love what you get.'"


    UCLA head coach Jim Mora, the longtime NFL assistant and head coach, went one step further in his praise of Barr.

    "In my opinion, and I haven't seen everyone in the country, but there is nobody I'd take over Anthony Barr, and I spent 28 years in the NFL and I have a real clear understanding what they're looking for from football character to personal character. He's an A-plus in everything," Mora said.

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    Re: Impact defender at #2? I'd consider Anthony Barr over Jadeveon Clowney

    Here's a comment from another "hater":

    Quote Originally Posted by Gil Brandt
    Going on this season's performance, right now I view Clowney more as a top-10 pick rather than the top pick, and if I had to draft today I would take UCLA linebacker Anthony Barr over him. I didn't think that way before the season, but I have seen more consistency from Barr in terms of effort, and it is clear that Barr was better prepared and more ready to play than Clowney.
    I find it interesting how there are some people who have an almost visceral reaction to any criticism of Clowney. They have convinced themselves that Clowney's status as a "once-in-a-generation" player is so conclusively established, that it constitutes blasphemy to suggest that he might be a bit overhyped.

    At the end of the day, I don't make the call for the Rams. If I did, and I had to make the call today, I'd try to trade the second pick and, if a suitable deal failed to emerge, I'd take Jake Matthews.

    If you change the hypothetical, and Les Snead called me up today and said "Hey, Av... we're not going to trade the pick. Instead, we want to take a high-impact defensive player who can rush the passer. Who do you think we should take?" My answer... (again, TODAY) would be Anthony Barr.
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    Re: Impact defender at #2? I'd consider Anthony Barr over Jadeveon Clowney

    Yeah, I have no problem with Barr over Clowney - there was a large thread over this previously with Nick, who's insight I respect but I had to say that I could find a lot of potential for Barr on our roster.

    Its an interesting question if Matthews goes #1 (unlikely, but possible) what we'd do with #2. I'd expect us to be able to trade down with value in that situation.

    If we stay pat and Matthews falls to us at #2, I'd be very happy with that. Major area of need, highly rated prospect, great pedigree so he'll understand what is necessary to succeed. His upside probably is not quite as high as the two defensive players, but unless the injury bug decimates his physical skills he's about as safe a prospect as you can get.

    Clowney won't be available later. I could see us getting a pretty good ransom for #2, fall down a few spots, and still get Barr, which I would be VERY happy with.

    I'm not a big Clowney fan either. I think he'll be a very good player - but he's the Herschel Walker of DEs. Incredible physical skills, stiff and lacks agility, so he won't be that absolutely dominating guy you are expecting if you take him 1 or 2. Combine that with some questions on motivation and character, and I think this guy will be a real asset to the team that takes him, but not live up to the hype. A- in my view, and the largest chance to be a complete bust of the 3 guys we are talking about here. Matthews is an A-, with a very low bust chance. Barr is the mid range pick, both higher upside than Matthews, and less chance of busting than Clowney. And IMO he fits a need.

    I don't think we'll go Clowney - I think we'll trade out of their if he's available. If we go Clowney, we won't have Quinn or Long long term, because we won't be able to afford the cap hit at DE over the long run.

    Regardless, we are going to get a real talent infusion unless the scouting and coaching staff completely screw up. Love where the Rams are going.
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    Re: Impact defender at #2? I'd consider Anthony Barr over Jadeveon Clowney

    If I had to choose right now, between these two players... I'd take Barr. Line him up outside and use him like Von Miller. We can keep our big guys inside and still get our pest pass rushers on the field.

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    Re: Impact defender at #2? I'd consider Anthony Barr over Jadeveon Clowney

    I initially wanted Anthony Barr over Clowney for the exact reason that we could use him in the Von Miller role. I think he would be an animal at SLB in our defense. He is big and athletic, and very violent. He would bring an attitude to this defense. On 3rd downs you can keep him at LB (though I'd expect Tree and JL to be there) or Barr can line up at DE.

    I'd certainly have no issues with Barr coming here. I would like to try and trade down with the Browns and maybe pick up a few extra picks though.
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    Re: Impact defender at #2? I'd consider Anthony Barr over Jadeveon Clowney

    How does Quinn's contract come into play or does it?

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    Re: Impact defender at #2? I'd consider Anthony Barr over Jadeveon Clowney

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    How does Quinn's contract come into play or does it?
    To me, it does not impact the issue at all.

    Quinn is signed through 2014, and the Rams have a club option for 2015. That means they have two seasons in which they are not obligated to sign him to a long-term extension (they may decide to do so early, but that would be a choice). If necessary, the Rams could also franchise Quinn for the 2016 season, and Chris Long is signed through that year.

    So, from a contractual standpoint, the Rams can maintain their current starting DEs for the next three seasons without having to sign any additional long-term contracts.

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