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    Jackson will be 27 when the season starts.

    The best player on our team now and after the draft is Steven Jackson. He will be starting his 6th season in the league this year and will be 27 when it starts. We can't expect much more then three or four years from him. I hope we don't waste Jacksons talent with a rookie QB when we could have McNabb and Suh who would be immediate impacts. I know the majority of fans think a second is to high a price for McNabb, but we are also gambling on a rookie QB when we could have a proven QB and a DT who should step right in and contribute. QB is harder position IMO to step in and be a leader at. McNabb could step right in and be the leader of this offense.

    Bradford likely wont reach his peak until Jackson is on his decline. IMO we have to decide who we would rather have Jackson, Suh, and McNabb or just Bradford. If we draft Bradford we miss out on Suh, Jacksons best years will be with a young unproven QB, and we will have to live with Bradfords growing pains instead of a proven QB that can also use his feet.

    I would prefer to trade a 3rd and 5th for McNabb and draft Suh. I am not sure I am sold on the second rounder yet but I hate risking the rest of Jacksons time here by passing on Suh and McNabb.
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    Re: Jackson will be 27 when the season starts.

    How does Bradford preformance ruin Jackons? First off, im sure we will know whether Bradford is a Franchise QB or a bust in 3-4 years.

    2nd off, I'd rather have Bradford and Steven Jackson rather than McNabb(cant win an important game) and Suh( I love him and hes amazing).

    If anything, Bradford will be really good and help SJAX open up holes, or he will be a bust and allow more running for Steven.

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    Re: Jackson will be 27 when the season starts.

    We could even draft a later QB this year or next and groom him the length of McNabbs contract extension before throwing him in. Im in the Bradford camp simply because we NEED a QB and hes the best one in the draft, however McNabb and Suh would be a nice offseason imo, and we would almost certainly be contenders for the NFC west crown in 2010. Say what you want about McNabb, but he IS a winner and would be the offensive leader immediately. So what if he cant get past the championship game, **** we cant even get there.
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    Re: Jackson will be 27 when the season starts.

    Quote Originally Posted by sosa39rams View Post
    How does Bradford preformance ruin Jackons? First off, im sure we will know whether Bradford is a Franchise QB or a bust in 3-4 years.

    2nd off, I'd rather have Bradford and Steven Jackson rather than McNabb(cant win an important game) and Suh( I love him and hes amazing).

    If anything, Bradford will be really good and help SJAX open up holes, or he will be a bust and allow more running for Steven.
    Do you really expect Bradford to be better then both Suh and McNabb in his first three years????? And you say McNabb can't win an important game but your willing to bet Jacksons last productive years that Bradford can and he will be so much better then McNabb and Suh in his first three years to justify us taking him????? How are you so sure about an unproven rookie being that much better then McNabb who is still playing at a high level and Suh who was almost a 100% everyone heres choice when we clinched the #1 overall selection. I would be willing to bet you wanted Suh when we clinched the #1 selection.

    As far as not winning big games there are 32 teams in the NFL only one team wins a year? So there are many QB's even good ones that can't win important games. It really boils down to do they have the talent and McNabb does. Look at Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, Brett Favre, etc. they have lost alot of important games.
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    Re: Jackson will be 27 when the season starts.

    First off, McNabb will be olf and washed up in what.. 3 years if were lucky? Also why would we trade for a QB who is under contract for 1 year.

    We really dont have a big need at DT. We have a pretty good rotation, and they look like they are gelling together.

    I'd rather take a chance on Bradford(who could be amazing, or terrible) than on McNabb.

    Who will McNabb throw too? And, he will In your words "do good", then what in 3 years?

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    Re: Jackson will be 27 when the season starts.

    Quote Originally Posted by sosa39rams View Post
    First off, McNabb will be olf and washed up in what.. 3 years if were lucky? Also why would we trade for a QB who is under contract for 1 year.

    We really dont have a big need at DT. We have a pretty good rotation, and they look like they are gelling together.

    I'd rather take a chance on Bradford(who could be amazing, or terrible) than on McNabb.

    Who will McNabb throw too? And, he will In your words "do good", then what in 3 years?
    Have you ever heard of a sign and trade? Any team trading for McNabb will be asking for a contract extension at the very minimum....



    I'm not a big fan of McNabb but adding him and Suh will make the Rams instant contenders for the division IMHO. Jackson has worked hard and deserves a competitive team. How much longer can these guys get beaten up and start over before it has some psychological damange.

    This team needs hope and the team needs to feel it can compete in the NFL.

    Go Rams

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    Re: Jackson will be 27 when the season starts.

    Quote Originally Posted by sosa39rams View Post
    First off, McNabb will be olf and washed up in what.. 3 years if were lucky? Also why would we trade for a QB who is under contract for 1 year.
    We need a good QB over the next three years because Jackson is liable to be washed up after three more years he will be starting his 10th season at RB. I figured you would know from all the trade talk that we would most likely condition any trade on signing him to an extension.

    We really dont have a big need at DT. We have a pretty good rotation, and they look like they are gelling together.
    We don't have a guy like Suh on the DL. Our defense was not generating much of a pass rush and was still having issues against the run. We have not had a DT that could help us apply pressure on the QB in a long time.

    I'd rather take a chance on Bradford(who could be amazing, or terrible) than on McNabb.
    Again your not just taking a chance on Bradford over McNabb you are taking a chance that Bradford will be more valuable then both Suh and McNabb who is one of the better QB's in the league.

    Who will McNabb throw too?
    If you are worried about who McNabb will throw to then shouldn't you also be worried about who Bradford would throw to?

    I would try in either scenario Bradford or McNabb to take a TE in the second or third or trade our 4th to Denver for Scheffler. If we don't take a WR in rounds 1 or 2 I would pass on WR unless Danario Alexander fell to us in the 5th.

    Like I said I would prefer to trade a 3rd and 5th for McNabb.

    And, he will In your words "do good", then what in 3 years?
    Then we still have Suh anchoring our defense and we could have brought along a QB behind McNabb like Phily did with Kolb or like Warner was behind Green or like Bulger was behind Warner or maybe there is another Warner, Brees, or McNabb type of QB on the market by that time. Brees and Warner both left their teams and went on to success.
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    Re: Jackson will be 27 when the season starts.

    Where you all seem to fail is first: putting Steven Jackson ahead of the long term success of this franchise. Its not all about Jackson even though we all want to win immediately. Then you seem to have it set in your minds that it HAS to take 3-4 years for the Rams to become good. Roethlisberger and the Steelers went 15-1 in their first year together. They had a good defense and the Bus but Jackson is better than Bettis and our defense IMO is a good draft picks and young guys finding their potential away from being a good defense.

    Your also putting Mcnabb and Suh ahead in our team value of Bradford, our 3rd rounder, and our fifth rounder in a particularly deep draft. Mcnabb isn't all that great though I like him and everyone seems to think Suh will just come in and be John Randle tossing around offensive guards whom you guys give NO credit to. Name one rookie defensive tackle that has come in and truly dominated in the trenches.

    Our defensive line should make big strides with ryan, long, and scott. not to mention the addition of big run stuffer fred robbins and the possible emergence of carriker.

    Lets not throw the Rams under the bus and say they will suck for 3 years just yet, eh? This is truly the most hopeless fan base I have ever seen and tis truly pathetic. Amazing things happen in this league and we are in prime position in this draft to come away with the motherlode.

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    Re: Jackson will be 27 when the season starts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bralidore(RAMMODE) View Post

    Lets not throw the Rams under the bus and say they will suck for 3 years just yet, eh? This is truly the most hopeless fan base I have ever seen and tis truly pathetic. Amazing things happen in this league and we are in prime position in this draft to come away with the motherlode.
    3 consecutive years of witnessing the worst case scenario for this organization play out every bleeping week tends to do that to a fanbase. Historic futility over a 3 year span does that to a fanbase. Organizations that seem to operate under a motto of "It got worse" kill hope fast. A decade of screwed up drafts and offseasons kills optimism. Knowing that you could build a champion by looking at the Rams of the 2000s decade and saying "do the exact opposite of what this organization did" is discouraging at the least.

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    Re: Jackson will be 27 when the season starts.

    I'm kind of warming up the the McNabb trade idea. If we don't think Bradford is worth the 70 million, we probably shouldn't force it. If they feel he's more like Alex Smith, then I'd be alright with a Suh/McNabb draft.

    As far as McNabb having someone to throw to, he really only had T.O. for 21 games in his career. His other top receivers have been Charles Johnson(2000), James Thrash (2001), Todd Pinkston(2002-2003), T.O.(2004-2005), Reggie Brown(2006), Kevin Curtis(2007), and DeSean Jackson. Hardly special names except T.O. I think he'll do well enough with our receivers.

    If you think about our offense with McNabb, SJax, Robinson, and Avery and with Suh on D, it wouldn't be that bad of a move. I think we could win some games and Devaney/Spags could keep their jobs long enough to do some real damage. We could get maybe 3 or 4 years out of McNabb. Plus, there's a good chance TB comes calling if we pick up McNabb, and moving down to 3 could get us a 2nd rounder.

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    Re: Jackson will be 27 when the season starts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bralidore(RAMMODE) View Post
    Where you all seem to fail is first: putting Steven Jackson ahead of the long term success of this franchise. Its not all about Jackson even though we all want to win immediately.
    I call B.S. I think you need to stop telling other posters what it is they are thinking. I was not putting Jackson ahead of the long term success of this franchise. How do you know drafting Bradford is not a detriment to the long term succes of this franchise? Do you know for sure he is not a bust or injury prone? Its not just about winning now. Why not get better now and in the future. We draft Suh as well is what you seem to be forgetting. Suh could become the anchor of our defense and the hope would be that he would apply pressure from the DT position which we have been unable to get for a long time and still don't have that type of DT on the roster. Like I said we could trade for a top QB and bring along a QB instead of rolling the dice on a rookie QB with the #1 overall pick. In the meantime we would get Suh who is a very good DT prospect that I bet you even wanted when we first clinched the #1 overall pick.


    Then you seem to have it set in your minds that it HAS to take 3-4 years for the Rams to become good.
    NO I never said it takes three or four years to become good. I said IMO we would be better in the next 3-4 years with Suh and McNabb then we would be with just Bradford. The reason three to four years was brought up was because in four years Jackson will be in his 10th year in the league and likely in decline. We will likely need to replace Jackson in 3-4 years and you wont just go find another RB like Jackson.

    Roethlisberger and the Steelers went 15-1 in their first year together.
    Uh did you know the Steelers where 29-18-1 the three seasons prior to drafting him? Did you know they where 13-3 one of those years? Did you know we were 6-42 the last three seasons? Did you know last year Detroit went 2-14 after drafting Stafford #1? Did you also know that the Rams only win last year came against Stafford who was the #1 overall pick in the draft last year? If it had not been for us beating Stafford we would have been 0-16.


    They had a good defense and the Bus but Jackson is better than Bettis and our defense IMO is a good draft picks and young guys finding their potential away from being a good defense.
    You make it sound like this one win team that is 6-42 over the past three years are close. Why is it then that we still have problems against the run on defense and getting pressure on the QB? We also have our best pass rusher (Little) over the hill and likely not returning. Why do we still hear people say we need DE, OLB, TE, WR (No proven WR yet), QB, CB, FS(If atogwe is not resigned), and OT (Barron is likely gone in the near future).

    Your also putting Mcnabb and Suh ahead in our team value of Bradford, our 3rd rounder, and our fifth rounder in a particularly deep draft.
    Every year you hear the same thing its a deep draft. Maybe it is but are you going to find a player in the 3rd or 5th round that can be a leader on this team this year? We have two 5th rounders I would trade our second 5th and how many 5th rounders have we drafted lately that have been impact players?

    Here are our recent 3rd & 5th round draft picks and yes I would trade all three years for McNabb.

    2008 Greco & Schuneing
    2007 Wade & Fry
    2006 Wroten & Haggans


    Mcnabb isn't all that great though I like him and everyone seems to think Suh will just come in and be John Randle tossing around offensive guards whom you guys give NO credit to.
    McNabb is still a top QB in the league. Again you should stop the B.S. putting words in other peoples mouths. I have never said he would dominate but he does and is known for applying pressure on the QB from the DT position. None of our current DT's are known or where known for applying pressure from the DT position.

    Name one rookie defensive tackle that has come in and truly dominated in the trenches.
    2007 Amobi Okoye 5.5 Sacks rookie year. When is the last time a DT was up for the Heisman Trophy?

    Lets not throw the Rams under the bus and say they will suck for 3 years just yet, eh? This is truly the most hopeless fan base I have ever seen and tis truly pathetic.
    Its all fun and games talking to others like this behind you computer. You are the most hopeless person. You keep putting words in other peoples mouths. I never said they would suck for 3 years most of us want to turn this team around and start winning as soon as possible without jeopardizing the future. I dont think taking Suh instead of Bradford and getting McNabb jeopardizes our future. I think Bradford has a higher chance of being a bust then Suh does that don't mean I don't think their ceiling could be as high. But Bradfords ceiling would have to be alot higher to pass up McNabb and Suh.
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    Re: Jackson will be 27 when the season starts.

    I am SO glad that teams are not run by their fans. IMO everyone who is really high on McNabb is that way because they really want Suh. Suh is not bust proof, though if you read around here people seem to think that he is. If we draft him, he will have a rookie season where he wont have a huge impact, because the linemen he will be playing against will be MUCH MUCH MUCH better than what he was use to in College. However none of you will change your mind, and as soon as there is some other rumor where it ends with the rams taking suh (regardless of how much of a stretch it is) you people will jump all over that one too.

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    Re: Jackson will be 27 when the season starts.

    Suh has a better chance of producing in our defense than Bradford has in the offense. Even if we draft a top TE or WR it would be easy for defenses to cover them out of the game. My view is to wait until we have the offense sorted out (from the trenches, remember Devaney and Spags have said this) until getting our QB. Id rather give the big money to Suh, who will be a cornerstone on our D with JL, Bartell, and hopefully Atogwe than give it to Bradford to get hammered for a few years with poor targets.

    My honest opinion is that the rams management will continue to build from the inside out, thus bucking the idea of Bradford and picking Suh or even McCoy. A QB on his own wont turn the franchise around, a solid team with a good QB will.

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    Re: Jackson will be 27 when the season starts.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianRamsFan View Post
    I am SO glad that teams are not run by their fans. IMO everyone who is really high on McNabb is that way because they really want Suh. Suh is not bust proof,
    Yeah or we might have gone from the best franchise (GSOT) to a team that was nearly 0-16 had they not beat a team that was the first team to go 0-16 the year before. I am so glad this team is not run by fans that think like you. No we are not really high on McNabb because we want Suh. McNabbs production is predictable he is one of the better QB's in the league. Bradford and Suhs production are somewhat unknown. Suh was probably your pick as well when we clinched the 1st overall pick in the draft. Suh was nearly a 100% the fans choice I even remember people hoping we would lose the last few games so we could draft Suh and start getting better. That was all before the McNabb talk. No one was that concerned about drafting a QB at the time. People that want Suh and McNabb want to be better now and in the future. McNabb is a leader on the field and he can use his feet as well. Suh is less likely to be a bust and just as likely to have long term success. We have not had a DT that could apply pressure in a long time.

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    My god RamSB99, first off you seem to think I was directing that post entirely at you or had some personal vendetta against you lol.

    You made so many bogus points I don't have time to cover tham all. You want us to draft Suh, ok. Then you want us to squander our rebuilding by using two picks on a 34 year old Qb. Plus your assuming the Eagles would accept a 3rd and a 5th when its been every indication they want nothing less than a second rounder. Our DT position is in better shape than our QB situation and when I say Bradford will be a good choice Im going off of his potential and game film the same as you are with Suh. The only difference is Im using the first pick on the most important position and your using it on a DT that will be apart of a deep DT rotation. Best case scenario with Suh is he comes in and dominates in the trenches. Best case with Bradford is he comes in and dominates in the passing game, then gets complimented with Jackson in the runninggame.
    What other "top" QBs can we trade for without selling our house to get? You just don't give up a 3rd and extra 5th for a top quarterback, it takes more than that as the Eagles and every other team who has tendered their guys has said.

    This whole post you acted as if i was attacking you when i was actually addressing those who INDEED did and DO say all the time that this franchise is 3-4 or more years away from competing as if god himself wrote it in stone. Its potentially untrue and a case of fans exaggerrating despair.

    As good as Jackson is, he is NOT irreplaceable and the likes of him has been seen in the league before and will be seen again.

    Yes i know all that stuff you wasted time posting. The Steelers were a good team before Roethlisberger, my point was they didn't have once in a decade talent on their team but they won with a rookie at the helm who helped them succeed. My point being its unlikely but not impossible and certainly not impossible to attain .500 with one.

    Detroit goes in the 2-14 range every year and though Stafford struggled he had his bright spots and gave the fan base a reason to show up to games. Once again you seem to fail to judge Bradford by his own merit and instead on what slot he's drafted in. Stafford is not Bradford and we're not the Detroit Lions.

    For your info you don't have any idea no more than I do how "close" the Rams are. They could very well be a few breakout season away from winning this division and falling in a wildcard playoff spot. Damn their prior records as everyone is 0-0 right now and old regimes were in charge for 2 of those 3 years.

    Why did we have problems against the run last year? We had an offense that couldn't do anything but hand the ball off to Steven and force our tired ass defense back on the field before they could squirt a shot of gatorade in their mouth...
    We typically started the first half strong against the run and then got gashed when guys made mental errors due to fatigue.

    IMO THESE are our actual NEEDS. QB, OT, DE, OLB, TE.
    The rest are exaggerrated and counting on the fact that players already on the roster won't emerge or will stay injured.

    We have leaders on this team and that isn't the darn problem like everyone seems to think it is. Jackson, Brown, Lau, Atogwe, and Hall are leaders and that's just the guys I hear about. You don't know who will fall to the fifth round this year or who is or isn't a leader in the first place. And already told you how its unlikely we could even get Mcnabb for a 3rd and 5th. you saying you would trade all these draft picks for one guy is the reason you aren't the GM of a team. Because that's plain stupid. You underestimate the quality of good depth and potential. Not to mention those 5th round choices were the picks of crappy regimes who bought scouting boards to make their draft plans..

    And again you say im putting words in people's mouths like I was talking to you specifically, the general belief on here is that Suh will come in and dominate, you can deny it all you want but what are you saying, he will come in and not dominate? You even said it yourself "I have never said he would dominate but he does.."Suh is known for putting pressure on the QB in a gap maintaining system against COLLEGE offensive linemen. His secondary never get credit for keeping a QB in the pocket scanning the field that long so that Suh can push through double teams and all that.

    Amobi Okoye actually got 4 sacks that year and I hardly call that dominating though it is good nonetheless....

    The Question is not who has the higher bust potential, which is by the way, impossible to determine. Its who would have the greater impact on your team. you say Suh, i say Bradford. If you somehow got insulted by my last post (though i wasn't even talking to you specifically) than you need to grow a pair pal. People say things that you don't agree with and will dislike, get used to it.

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