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    Jake Long would be a mistake ...

    I see many on this board calling for Jake Long. While we do need to begin looking to the future on the edges of our line, I think drafting Long would be a huge mistake ...

    For one, it looks pretty certain the Orlando will be coming back. This will put Barron back on the right side. We know that Barron has some mental and concentration issues, but he can play effectively, particularly on the right. Pace will still be solid for 2 or 3 more years if he can stay injury free ...

    So, yes, if Pace were to go down, or less importantly Barron, Long could step in and POSSIBLY be a solution to the problem. However, if Pace and Barron remain healthy, no way does Long come in here an take either of their roles. If they stay healthy, Long could potentially be sitting on the pine for 2 or years, sucking up cap space ...

    Then, when Orlando does decide to retire, you move Long into action, and hope that he is the player that you thought he was when you drafted him. If he is not, and turns out to be the next Robert Gallery, then you've wasted tons and tons of money on a bust, and more than likely ignored what turned out to be a huge need while you thought you had what you wanted in Long ...

    If the experts were singing the praises and all indications pointed towards Long being a superstar, then I'd say go for it. But he is projected at being a very good lineman, not a great lineman ....

    Being in the south, I see alot of SEC football. If somehow, Glenn Dorsey slips to #2, we'd be absolutely insane not to take this beast. Even if Dorsey is not an option, Chris Long fills a much bigger need than Jake Long does ...


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    Re: Jake Long would be a mistake ...

    joins the que for the "absolutely insane"...

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    Re: Jake Long would be a mistake ...

    id take Chris Long over Glenn Dorsey right now

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    Re: Jake Long would be a mistake ...

    Dan Dierdorf commented that Jake Long is a good tackle but is not in the ranks of the great Michigan tackles. If this is reality, the #2 pick on the guy would be a major mistake.

    I agree with you. Considering all of the major needs the Rams have, I just can't see how they can be interested in replacing a pro bowl player just because he's had upper body injuries. If Pace's injuries had been to his knees or ankles, I'd agree he is done but upper body injuries can be over come. If the Rams want to take an OT in the 2nd or 3rd round, that is different.

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    Re: Jake Long would be a mistake ...

    The problem I have with Dorsey is about me being gunshy. We've been burnt on high first round picks used on DTs before. Of course, most of them were under the lovie smith regime and he didn't seem to be a great evaluator of talent. I guess if we do get him, we can move Carriker out to end. If we don't, we should probably take Chris Long and hope that he finally provides the outside rush that we've been missing for sooooooo long.

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    Re: Jake Long would be a mistake ...

    It's going to be one or the other. As we see the combine and the stocks of players moving thing may change. Just last year at this thime Branch was high on the boards and dropped like a rock.



    DE Little
    DT La'Roi Glover Dorsey (splitting time with Glover)
    NT Adam Carriker Clifton Ryan (splitting time with AC)
    DE Hall

    Draft an edge rusher in the later rounds...
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    DE Little
    DT Adam Carriker La'Roi Glover Claude Wroten
    NT Clifton Ryan
    DE Long Hall

    FA add a SS and another big NT in the later rounds
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    DE Little
    DT La'Roi Glover Claude Wroten
    NT Adam Carriker Clifton Ryan
    DE Long Hall

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    Not sure which is best but I would not move AC to DE, he just not quick enough.
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    Re: Jake Long would be a mistake ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rambos View Post
    It's going to be one or the other. As we see the combine and the stocks of players moving thing may change. Just last year at this thime Branch was high on the boards and dropped like a rock.
    It is conceivable Dorsey's stock might drop, but I don't see C. Long's stock dropping much especially if he goes all out before the combine to lower his 40 time. (hire a specialist to shave off a few tenths as so many potentially high picks do these days) Gholston might wow at the combine and put up some great numbers and move up a bit. As you pointed out, early on before the draft, Branch was the "man" but ended up dropping out of the 1st rd. Jake Long could suffer a similar fate, although it is hard to imagine him dropping that far.

    Does anyone care to venture a guess as to who Parcells will grab at #1 overall? There is a possibility Miami could end up with Chris Long ..

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    Re: Jake Long would be a mistake ...

    No doubt. Teams always seem to get good OL later in the draft. Jake Long wouldn't even start in 2008 for the Rams, IMO. The Rams really need that pick to start from day 1.

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    Re: Jake Long would be a mistake ...

    Quote Originally Posted by MauiRam View Post
    Does anyone care to venture a guess as to who Parcells will grab at #1 overall? There is a possibility Miami could end up with Chris Long ..
    Unless Miami trades down their pick will be, at this point in time, Chris Long. The day that Parcells was hired I had a sinking feeling that our chances for Chris Long went out the window. Unfortunately, Glen Dorsey just does not project well in the 3-4 defense, and as we all know, Parcells wants to run the 3-4 like eveywhere else he has been in charge. I guess there is a possibility that the Rams could trade up with Miami to get the 1st pick; but I don't see us having the assets to make that happen.

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    Re: Jake Long would be a mistake ...

    Does anyone care to venture a guess as to who Parcells will grab at #1 overall?
    I just heard Chris Long is a realistic pick if they can't trade back. It's early.

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    Re: Jake Long would be a mistake ...

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMarkable View Post
    I guess there is a possibility that the Rams could trade up with Miami to get the 1st pick; but I don't see us having the assets to make that happen.

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    We could always offer next years #2 ... its likely going to be a high one .. Realistically, if the Tuna really wants C. Long, he won't trade out. Let's face it, this is likely the last 1st overall pick Tuna will get a sniff of in his career. I hope he wants someone else ..

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    Re: Jake Long would be a mistake ...

    Quote Originally Posted by MauiRam View Post
    We could always offer next years #2 ... its likely going to be a high one .. Realistically, if the Tuna really wants C. Long, he won't trade out. Let's face it, this is likely the last 1st overall pick Tuna will get a sniff of in his career. I hope he wants someone else ..
    1.) I wouldn't offer next years #2; we're gonna need it for our over due and elaborate rebuilding process.

    2.) "I hope he wants someone else." That's just the problem, Maui; I don't see anyone else in this draft that the Tuna would even consider at this pick. (I have already ruled out any offensive players as I don't think Bill is even considering offense with the first pick.) I'm rather certain that Parcells wants to run the 3-4 and Chris Long is his best option at this time.

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    Re: Jake Long would be a mistake ...

    Isn't Chris Long a prototypical 3-4 end? So, we'll be converting another lineman to a position he is unaccustomed to?

    I understand that people are scared of Dorsey because of the poor luck we have had with DT's over the years. But remember, this guy plays in the SEC, some of the toughest college football in the land. If there ever was a real deal coming out at DT, it is this guy. He may not be a hall of famer, but he will produce ...

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    Re: Jake Long would be a mistake ...

    Chris Long played a lot of end in the 4-3. He can play the 3-4 because he's so large and plays the run well. I don't think that is a negative.

    All the rankings will change dramatically between now and April. Until the combine happens, it is all a crap shoot. If a guy like Gholston comes out with an unexpectedly low 40x, he could boost himself into the top 3. Some of those linebackers could come out with freakish numbers and boost themselves into the Rams spotlight.

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    Re: Jake Long would be a mistake ...

    The only chance the Rams have at getting C. Long is if Gholston absolutely tears up the Combine and his Pro Day. He can run an extremely fast time in all the drills and he can obviously do alot of reps in the weight lift. He can become such a physical specimen and along with his play could remind Parcells of Ware to the point where he either trades down or takes him at #1. Other than that, we are going to lose Chris Long in this draft. Dorsey, however, is anything but a consolation prize.

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