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    Kipers top 5 at each position

    Quarterbacks
    1. Matt Leinart, USC
    2. Vince Young, Texas (Junior)
    3. Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt
    4. Brodie Croyle, Alabama
    5. Charlie Whitehurst, Clemson

    Running Backs
    1. Reggie Bush, USC (Junior)
    2. DeAngelo Williams, Memphis
    3. LenDale White, USC (Junior)
    4. Laurence Maroney, Minnesota (Junior)
    5. Brian Calhoun, Wisconsin (Junior)
    5a. Jerome Harrison, Washington State
    5b. Joseph Addai, LSU

    Fullbacks
    1. Lawrence Vickers, Colorado
    2. Garrett Mills, Tulsa
    3. J.D. Runnels, Oklahoma
    4. Matt Bernstein, Wisconsin
    5. David Kirtman, USC

    Wide Receivers
    1. Santonio Holmes, Ohio State (Junior)
    2. Sinorice Moss, Miami
    3. Maurice Stovall, Notre Dame
    4. Greg Jennings, Western Michigan
    5. Cory Rodgers, TCU (Junior)
    5a. Travis Wilson, Oklahoma
    5b. Chad Jackson, Florida (Junior)

    Tight Ends
    1. Vernon Davis, Maryland (Junior)
    2. Leonard Pope, Georgia (Junior)
    3. Anthony Fasano, Notre Dame (Junior)
    4. Dominique Byrd, USC
    5. Owen Daniels, Wisconsin
    5a. Marcedes Lewis, UCLA
    5b. Joe Klopfenstein, Colorado
    5c. David Thomas, Texas

    Tackles
    1. D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Virginia
    2. Winston Justice, USC (Junior)
    3. Marcus McNeill, Auburn
    4. Ryan O'Callaghan, California
    5. Jeremy Trueblood, Boston College
    5a. Andrew Whitworth, LSU
    5b. Eric Winston, Miami

    Guards
    1. Taitusi "Deuce" Lutui, USC
    2. Max Jean-Gilles, Georgia
    3. Kevin Spencer, Pittsburgh
    4. Kevin Boothe, Cornell
    5. Fred Matua, USC (Junior)
    5a. Rob Sims, Ohio State
    5b. Davin Joseph, Oklahoma

    Centers
    1. Nick Mangold, Ohio State
    2. Jason Spitz, Louisville
    3. Greg Eslinger, Minnesota
    4. Ryan Cook, New Mexico
    5. Todd Londot, Miami (Ohio)

    Place Kickers
    1. Josh Huston, Ohio State
    2. Connor Hughes, Virginia
    3. Kurt Smith, Virginia
    4. Deric Yaussi, Wyoming
    5. Jon Scifres, Missouri State

    Defensive Ends
    1. Mario Williams, NC State (Junior)
    2. Tamba Hali, Penn State
    3. Mathias Kiwanuka, Boston College
    4. Kamerion Wimbley, Florida State
    5. Manny Lawson, NC State
    5a. Darryl Tapp, Virginia Tech
    5b. Ray Edwards, Purdue (Junior)
    5c. Mark Anderson, Alabama
    5d. Jason Hatcher, Grambling

    Defensive Tackles
    1. Haloti Ngata, Oregon (Junior)
    2. Orien Harris, Miami
    3. Claude Wroten, LSU
    4. Brodrick Bunkley, Florida State
    5. Gabe Watson, Michigan
    5a. Titus Adams, Nebraska

    Inside Linebackers
    1. D'Qwell Jackson, Maryland
    2. Abdul Hodge, Iowa
    3. Kai Parham, Virginia (Junior)
    4. Gerris Wilkinson, Georgia Tech
    5. Oliver Hoyte, NC State

    Outside Linebackers
    1. A.J. Hawk, Ohio State
    2. Chad Greenway, Iowa
    3. Ernie Sims, Florida State (Junior)
    4. DeMeco Ryans, Alabama
    5. Bobby Carpenter, Ohio State
    5a. Thomas Howard, UTEP
    5b. Stephen Tulloch, NC State (Junior)
    5c. Cameron Vaughn, LSU

    Cornerbacks
    1. Jimmy Williams, Virginia Tech
    2. Ashton Youboty, Ohio State (Junior)
    3. Tye Hill, Clemson
    4. Johnathan Joseph, South Carolina (Junior)
    5. Antonio Cromartie, Florida State (Junior)
    5a. Cedric Griffin, Texas
    5b. Kelly Jennings, Miami
    5c. Jason Allen, Tennessee
    5d. DeMario Minter, Georgia

    Safeties
    1. Michael Huff, Texas
    2. Ko Simpson, South Carolina (Sophomore)
    3. Donte Whitner, Ohio State (Junior)
    4. Anthony Smith, Syracuse
    5. Daniel Bullocks, Nebraska
    5a. Danieal Manning, Abilene Christian (Junior)
    5b. Bernard Pollard, Purdue (Junior)
    5c. Darnell Bing, USC (Junior)
    5d. Dwayne Slay, Texas Tech

    Punters
    1. Steve Weatherford, Illinois
    2. John Torp, Colorado
    3. Ryan Plackemeier, Wake Forest
    4. Jeff Williams, Adams State (Colo.)
    5. Tom Malone, USC
    5. Sam Paulescu, Oregon State


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    Re: Kipers top 5 at each position

    I agree with all of that but Brodie Croyle a Top 5 QB? I think Shockley, and Omar Jacobs are above him. And definetly Brett Basanez QB Northwestern is up above him too.
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    Re: Kipers top 5 at each position

    Quote Originally Posted by RamsFan16
    I agree with all of that but Brodie Croyle a Top 5 QB? I think Shockley, and Omar Jacobs are above him. And definetly Brett Basanez QB Northwestern is up above him too.
    Another argument has arisen. Brodie Croyle threw a grand total of I believe 4 INTs this season. He took numerous hits, but was still one of the best in the country with very young receivers. The only player who had a worse offensive line was Jay Cutler. Brodie leads Alabama in all time passing TDs, Passing Yards, and Completions. This is the same school that housed Bart Starr, Joe Namath, and Kenny Stabler. Shockley looked horrible at the Senior Bowl and no one would dare put his arm up against Brodie's. I agree with the spot. Brodie is the 4th best QB, and has a lot of potential to be much better.
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    Re: Kipers top 5 at each position

    I'm not in the mood for arguing so I'm going to stand my ground and play neutralty. Its my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
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    Re: Kipers top 5 at each position

    How the hell did Marcedes Lewis drop to #6 at TE?? He was like the top rated TE before the year started what the heck happened to him?

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    Re: Kipers top 5 at each position

    Quote Originally Posted by RamsFan16
    I agree with all of that but Brodie Croyle a Top 5 QB? I think Shockley, and Omar Jacobs are above him. And definetly Brett Basanez QB Northwestern is up above him too.
    At worst I'd have Croyle as the sixth best QB in this class. I currently have him at fifth behind Leinart, Young, Cutler, and Jacobs, with Whitehurst pretty much tied for that fifth spot.

    Shockley looked dreadul during the Senior Bowl and is probably a mid to late Day Two guy at best right now. He wasn't even a top five QB in the class to begin with. As for Basanez, I'd definitely rather have Croyle. I'm not even sure if Brett Basanez makes my top ten of QBs in this class.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bald_81
    How the hell did Marcedes Lewis drop to #6 at TE?? He was like the top rated TE before the year started what the heck happened to him?
    Because Kiper likes to shock people with some rankings. There are guys he really likes, and guys he doesn't like as much. For instance, Daryn Colledge is usually mentioned as one of the top 5-6 tackles in this class. Kiper thinks he's a late day one kind of guy. He's really overrated Johnathan Joseph, IMO, and I don't think Darnell Bing is the 8th best safety in this class. Kiper likes to go out on a limb with his opinion, whereas some other draft sources stay closer to the norm in terms of rankings. Sometimes Kiper is right, sometimes he's wrong. But I think you'll see those rankings improve as we get closer to April.
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    Re: Kipers top 5 at each position

    Just wondering how could you not put Brett Basanez up there? He has had a great college career.
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    Re: Kipers top 5 at each position

    Quote Originally Posted by RamsFan16
    Just wondering how could you not put Brett Basanez up there? He has had a great college career.
    I think he had a great senior year, but not a great college career. 36 interceptions in 47 games doesn't have me frothing at the mouth, especially when we're talking about a guy who, in my opinion, does not have much upside for the next level. Not a very strong arm, decent but not great accuracy. Good mobility, but you've got to combine that with something. Not in my top 10 at QB this year, sorry.
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    Re: Kipers top 5 at each position

    I meant season* I was thinking about my madden career when I was typing sorry. Yea I still think he should be up there though.
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    Re: Kipers top 5 at each position

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick
    Because Kiper likes to shock people with some rankings. There are guys he really likes, and guys he doesn't like as much.
    Shock was exactly what he did to me by ranking Lewis at #6. This guy was a touchdown machine and no one on Kiper's list was even close to his scoring numbers (10TD's), or his playmaking ability.

    I guess it comes down to what you're looking for out of the position, but if you want an offensive game changer like Gates or Crumpler, Lewis is the guy IMO.

    I would love to see Kiper right about his projections and have Lewis drop to us in a later round, but that's a pipe dream.

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    Re: Kipers top 5 at each position

    Well Lewis needs to bulk up some. He would get destroyed by some of the blitzing LBs in trhe NFL. He has the best hands, but both Pope and Davis are better all around TEs.

    Where I think he made the mistake is by not even ranking Roman Harper as one of the top safeties. I would put him above Slay. Harper helped shutdown that potent Texas Tech offense and he shut down half the field.
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    Re: Kipers top 5 at each position

    Quote Originally Posted by RamsFan16
    Yea I still think he should be up there though.
    Any reason why?


    Quote Originally Posted by RamJackson39
    Where I think he made the mistake is by not even ranking Roman Harper as one of the top safeties. I would put him above Slay. Harper helped shutdown that potent Texas Tech offense and he shut down half the field.
    I agree, Harper should be on that list somewhere, but I don't care for his safety list that much overall. My ranking for safety would probably be...

    1. Michael Huff, Texas
    2. Ko Simpson, South Carolina
    3. Darnell Bing, USC
    4. Roman Harper, Alabama
    5. Greg Blue, Georgia

    I think you could make cases for Donte Whitner, maybe Daniel Bullocks, but it's obvious Kiper likes certain guys and really tries to push them. See Adam Jones last year, who was a late first rounder before Kiper's hype machine started to spin.

    As for Slay, he gets attention from his hitting ability, but that's about all he offers. I'm not sure he could cover a baby if you gave him a quilt and an electric blanket to choose from. Makes me think he'd be great at hockey.
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    Re: Kipers top 5 at each position

    As for Slay, he gets attention from his hitting ability, but that's about all he offers. I'm not sure he could cover a baby if you gave him a quilt and an electric blanket to choose from. Makes me think he'd be great at hockey.
    Slay couldnt handle the offensive machine that was Matt Millen. Although he is a great hitter, he seems to lack that instict to know where the ball is. He just sees a guy and lays a hit. That doesnt work in the NFL.
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