Making the Case for Clausen

Personally, ill probably lose popularity for this, but i wanna grab Clausen over Suh at this point. I want us to trade down a few spots and pick up another 2nd round pick (or first round if humanly possible) and grab him. I love Suh just as much as the next guy but he wont get us a passing offense....and we still don't know what we have in Carriker, Ryan has been solid as well. Long has definitely come along and will hold down the LE spot, and hopefully we can pick up another DE in the second round or through FA.

The rams will quite simply continue to fail utterly without a quarterback and this was as plain as day in our most recent failure against the *****. Shut the ***** out of the game for 3 quarters!!! Then let them poor it on in the last quarter because no doubt our defense got gassed, and the ***** were able to pull it out because they have an offense and we don't..

Give us a quarterback that can make all the throws (love him or not: Clausen can make all the throws) and we have a chance to win that ball game. I'm not knocking Null because i understand his situation, but you put a Warner (who Clausen reminds me of sort of, with a bigger arm) and you convert those field goals in the points. Broad assumption but i think its at least reasonable to say, despite our horrible o-line woes, Clausen with his quick release could have converted a lot more of those third downs with less arid throws and accidents.

Making the Case for ClausenStrengths: Solid size and adequate bulk
Very good arm strength; can fit balls into tight windows
Extremely quick, snappy release
Great accuracy
Nice hip torque on throws
Gets rid of ball quickly
Very decisive with the football
Takes what defense gives him; doesn't force ball/will throw away
Elite football IQ
Great touch
Well versed in NFL offense
Good sense of timing
Will step up/out of pocket
Knows how to read coverage
Sees the entire field; great vision
Very polished for a true junior
Shown outstanding development from freshman to junior season
Extremely intelligent
Ice in his veins; great poise
Mentally tough; plays through pain
Big leader
Confident
Film room rat
Elite intangibles
Good genetics and very well coached
Spent 3.5 years in a West Coast offense


Weaknesses:
Does a poor job of selling play action
Footwork used to be a bit shoddy, has improved
Not a fluid athlete
Personality might come off as abrasive
Sometimes gets too much air under fade route
Lacks a little pocket awareness


We want less rookie down time because we need wins NAO; this guy is the most pro ready quarterback in this years draft EASY.

Interesting tid bit on Clausen's stats Ive found.
http://walterfootball.com/images/juniorqbs.jpg

--Courtesy of Walter Football :)

Good arguement, I have always been a proponent, of trading down and getting Clausen....if we can get a 2nd round pick

But with 1st overall it will just be stupid to pass up on Suh I think

Well, picking Suh is no doubt the fan favorite for the pick. But if he cant make our defense into the 2000 Ravens defense. The rams will continue to suffer the same woes as this year (barring a good performance from our suspect offense). The fans will quickly forget their jubilation for grabbing Suh if we continue our losing ways, and then all of a sudden Spags and Devaney our being questioned again, and people are calling for their heads. If we do pick Suh i wont be mad, but i will get that sense of extreme unease over our passing prospects...

Yeah, I hear ya there. I'm still trying to figure out how Suh reduces the offense's three and outs, but that's just me...or how Suh makes the O-line better, giving the QBs and receivers more time to make the plays downfield like we all want...

Now, with that being said, Suh did also do some work at fullback, so it wouldn't be much of a reach to think he could work just as effectively on the OL instead of the DL. If that is indeed the case, and he was willing to do it, then I would be one of the folks that totes a shotgun to the wedding.

If those things happened, Clausen might not be a bad idea if he were to fall in the Rams laps in the 2nd.

The Case Against Clausen:

-Suh requires double teams, which will make the entire D-line more effective.
-His talent is obvious and undisputed, lead team in Tackles, Tackles for loss, and Sacks. Which is amazing since he is a DT and despite always being double teamed.

-Clausen alienates a lot of people, including ND fans, teammates, etc.. by just his arrogant, cocky, immature attitude. I think that sums it up for a lot of people.
-You can't throw any young QB out there like a piece of meat and expect a glorious change. Look what it's done to our former pro-bowler. Look what the Lions did to Stafford.

So in summary: Suh = more change Clausen = little change

Hmm well as far as Clausen's "cocky and immature" attitude. Thee guy is cocky because he has confidence in his ability and wants to win and make plays. The immaturity at this point can be disputed as he is considered a really good leader by his teammates from what Ive heard and spends hours in the film room and learning his craft. And who says he alienates fans? I go to places such as youtube or w/e and see nothing but fan praise for Clausen.

And as far as throwing him out as a piece of meat who says that's what im saying. So you don't ever draft a quarterback because your scared he will have to see an NFL defense....? Im sure the crap line play you saw against the whiners was a by product of the insane amount of injuries we've had and the patchwork that was done to keep it together for a few more games. Jason Brown (pro bowl caliber), Jacob Bell (possible pro bowl caliber), Jason Smith (pro bowl caliber), possibly Adam Goldberg at Guard (not at tackle), and another solid RT and our line is perfectly fine to protect him.

Clausen is not Bulger so your argument about what its done to him is irrelevant. Some guys are less timid than others. Clausen doesnt fade out because of adversity as easy as Bulger has done in the past (given they are two different levels of competition). Bulger also didnt get pressured of sacked as nearly as many times as he did previously this year, in fact the lowest hes EVER been sacked before our line went down with injuries. Hell the lowest total since 1999.

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Originally Posted by Bralidore(RAMMODE)

Personally, ill probably lose popularity for this, but i wanna grab Clausen over Suh at this point.

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I don't think you'll lose popularity, you just have a differing viewpoint from most, which is fine. Clausen will be, and should be a serious part of the discussion.

From my perspective, Clausen would be a good pick, just not at #1. Suh has been widely described as a once in a generation talent and is a dominant presence who has the very real potential to make a major impact in the NFL. Clausen is a good prospect, but I don't think he comes close having that kind of potential. The Rams need to hit a home run with the first pick and Suh fits the bill IMO.

At this point, if Clausen tears up the combine....I could be persuaded.

if a great option to trade down for extra picks/players is available it's at least considerable, but i'm in favor of taking suh. yes we still need plenty of help on o, a couple of guys on the line and a qb are top priorities, but d-linemen that can bring pressure is just as big a need..i think our d is close to being very good, suh and a right end would get us much closer.

I love suh, and a team that has as many holes as the rams should be drafting BPA...but a qb affects the game so much more than a DT...honestly I'd be happy with either, dominate D-line for years to come with Carriker, Long, ryan, and Suh or get a qb who put up some AMAZING stats in a pro style offence. either way, cant wait for the draft

go Rams go

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Originally Posted by txramsfan

At this point, if Clausen tears up the combine....I could be persuaded.

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:eek:What!??!?! Did Tex just say that?

Brailadore I tend to agree with you and I was driving a Jimmy Claussen bandwagon until Suh crashed it, but I think Claussen will need a strong offseason because Suh has a big lead right now.

I'm almost to the point of:

Dez Bryant? Sure

Eric Berry? Ok

Ndamukong Suh? Alright

Sam Bradford? Cool

Jimmy Clausen? Yea

Gerald McCoy? Can handle that pick

Carlos Dunlap? Good selection

take out carlos dunlap nao....

Just out of curiosity OP, are you a ND fan?

No; not at all.