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    Nick's Pre-Combine 2010 First Round & Full Rams Mock Draft

    I decided to glue myself to the office chair last night and this morning to pump out a pre-Combine mock draft, including a full seven-round Rams mock as well. A few things have changed since my last mock, which I believe was pre-Senior Bowl. Feedback is always welcome, enjoy!!




    ROUND ONE

    1. St. Louis Rams: Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
    -So far, nothing has changed from the final weeks of the college football season in my eyes. Ndamukong Suh is still the best player in this class, I think he’s still ranked ahead of McCoy, and I don’t think either quarterback has closed the gap enough to make them strong considerations here. Medical tests and pro days may change that, but right now, I still think Suh is the best pick here.

    2. Detroit Lions: Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
    -Detroit is in a great position, because with a giant need on the interior of the defensive line, they’re going to get either Suh or Oklahoma’s Gerald McCoy. If the Rams elect to take a quarterback, then Suh falls to Detroit. If Suh goes first overall, then the Lions still get a great prospect in McCoy, whose skills as a disruptive lineman will be maximized under head coach Jim Schwartz.

    3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida
    -Say what?! There’s been a lot of buzz in the past couple of days that suggests the Buccaneers may be eyeing South Florida’s Jason Pierre-Paul if they can’t land one of the defensive tackles. Tennessee’s Eric Berry likely carries a higher grade, but safety doesn’t have the positional value that a pass rusher does. Some see JPP as having Mario Williams potential.

    4. Washington Redskins: Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
    -No quarterback? Well, I still contend that Sam Bradford makes a lot of sense here if his doctor, who also works for the Redskins, gives him a clean bill of health. But I think Chris Samuels’s health makes the left tackle position a big concern for this organization, as the Redskins are reportedly moving forward as if Samuels will not be returning to the club. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if a tackle is taken here over a signal caller.

    5. Kansas City Chiefs: Eric Berry, DB, Tennessee
    -A surprise move by the Buccaneers really works out well for the Chiefs, who find Tennessee’s Eric Berry sitting in their laps in this scenario. You can’t tell me the Chiefs couldn’t use a safety of Berry’s caliber, because current safeties Jon McGraw and Mike Brown are nothing to write home about. If Kansas City was so inclined, they could even try to plug Berry in at cornerback opposite of Brandon Flowers.

    6. Seattle Seahawks: Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
    -Based on what the new Seahawks coaching staff is saying, it sounds as if Matt Hasselbeck will probably be back under center. But that doesn’t mean they can ignore the future of the quarterback position. Bradford’s shoulder is a concern, but with Hasselbeck on the roster, he won’t be rushed into action. His decision making and accuracy should be valuable commodities in Seattle’s offensive scheme.

    7. Cleveland Browns: Joe Haden, CB, Florida
    -Florida’s Joe Haden could potentially go higher than this, but it’s hard to imagine Cleveland passing on him if he’s available at the seven-spot. The Browns feel they have a quality starter in Eric Wright, but there’s not much else in that secondary to write home about. Haden could step in on Day One and be an immediate upgrade in the starting line-up.

    8. Oakland Raiders: Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
    -It seems like every year, someone is trying to figure out what kind of crazy pick the Oakland Raiders will make. It’ll be tough to surpass last year’s draft of Darius Heyward-Bey and Michael Mitchell. If Pierre-Paul were still on the board, he’d be a contender. But for the moment, I’m mocking Rutgers OT Anthony Davis to Oakland, whom some would argue is actually the top tackle in this year’s class. Could the Raiders finally be making a good pick? Time will tell.

    9. Buffalo Bills: Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
    -The Bills really would have loved to see one of the top two offensive tackles fall here. Between Demetrius Bell’s torn ACL and the abrupt retirement of Brad Butler, this team is desperate for help at the tackle position. But based on the board, the value isn’t great now. Instead, Jimmy Clausen could be an enticing pick as Buffalo tries to move past the era of Trent Edwards and Ryan Fitzpatrick.

    10. Jacksonville Jaguars: Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech
    -Like Oakland, the Jacksonville Jaguars are another team where Pierre-Paul would have made sense, given the Florida connections. But I think the Jaguars, who finished dead last in the league with only 14 sacks last season, would be more than content to pull the trigger on Georgia Tech’s Derrick Morgan, who isn’t the massive boom-or-bust prospect that JPP is.

    11. Denver Broncos (f/CHI): Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State
    -I believe I mocked Bryant to the Broncos back in December, only to mock him to the Jags a pick earlier in my pre-Senior Bowl mock. With Jacksonville taking Morgan instead this go-round, I’m giving the Broncos the best receiver in this class once more. Considering Brandon Marshall is unlikely to be on the Broncos’ 2010 roster, replacing him with a prospect of Bryant’s caliber is a smart move.

    12. Miami Dolphins: Rolando McClain, LB, Alabama
    -There are some who feel Alabama’s Rolando McClain could go as high as the fifth overall pick to Kansas City. While I certainly think that’s possible, I also wouldn’t be surprised to see McClain fall out of the top ten entirely. Of course, he won’t fall very far, as I’d imagine Miami would be chomping at the bit to take him and pair him with Channing Crowder on the inside of their 3-4 defense.

    13. San Francisco *****: Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
    -An article in today’s Santa Rosa Press Democrat cited San Francisco right tackle Adam Snyder as the team’s worst offensive lineman in 2009 in terms of sacks allowed. It’s no secret that the ***** would like to find an upgrade at right tackle, after failing to address the position with the signings of Marvel Smith and Tony Pashos. Oklahoma’s Trent Williams would be a great fit for them here.

    14. Seattle Seahawks (f/DEN): C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
    -An offensive tackle like Brian Bulaga is very, very tempting here, as the long-term future of Walter Jones is up in the air right now. That being said, the Seahawks may still feel they have a potential replacement in Sean Locklear, and new head coach Pete Carroll is going to need to find more playmakers on offense if he expects his newly-drafted young quarterback to be successful.

    15. New York Giants: Earl Thomas, DB, Texas
    -While I think an interior defensive lineman like Brian Price would make a lot of sense here, I wouldn’t rule out an addition to the secondary. Texas defensive back Earl Thomas has the versatility to play either cornerback or safety, which would allow the Giants to figure out where they’d like to play fellow Longhorn Aaron Ross and then plug Thomas in accordingly.

    16. Tennessee Titans: Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida
    -This really feels too high for Dunlap at this point, but I think the Florida defensive end is entering a part of the offseason process where he’s likely going to impress some people and help his stock a bit. The Titans aren’t going to break the bank to keep Kyle Vanden Bosch around any longer, so they may look to the draft to fill that hole. Dunlap’s talent may be worth the risk, if Tennessee thinks they can get him to play up to it consistently.

    17. San Francisco ***** (f/CAR): Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan
    -After using their first first-round pick on the offensive side of the ball, the ***** elect to use their second pick on defense. Michigan’s Brandon Graham looked unblockable at the Senior Bowl, and in my opinion, went from a borderline first round selection to a Top 20 pick. Like former teammate LaMarr Woodley, Graham’s best pro position may be standing up as a 3-4 OLB.

    18. Pittsburgh Steelers: Brian Bulaga, OT, Iowa
    -Pittsburgh quarterback Ben Roethlisberger can’t continue to dodge and weave defending pass rushers for his entire career. While the Super Bowl winning quarterback has a big enough frame to take a beating, the Steelers obviously don’t want to expose him to that if they don’t have to. Upgrading the offensive line will be key, and Iowa’s Brian Bulaga seems like the kind of lineman Pittsburgh would love to have.

    19. Atlanta Falcons: Sergio Kindle, LB, Texas
    -The Falcons took a bit of a step backwards in 2009, in part due to injuries to some key players. Atlanta would love to be able to add a cornerback here, but it’s tough to make the case from a value perspective. USC’s Everson Griffen is also a possibility to help on the defensive line, but their personnel at outside linebacker could really use an upgrade as well. Sergio Kindle is riding high after his 2.5 sack performance in the BCS title game.

    20. Houston Texans: Brian Price, DT, UCLA
    -Despite spending three of their first four picks in the 2009 draft on the defensive side of the ball, the Texans still have some holes that need to be plugged. The defensive line is one area that could be addressed, because Houston’s personnel at defensive tackle just isn’t pulling its weight. Amobi Okoye was said to finally be making some strides this season, but he’s underachieved as a former Top Ten pick and the Texans have virtually nothing else at the position.

    21. Cincinnati Bengals: Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame
    -Depending on whom you talk to, the Bengals could be looking at Oklahoma’s Jermaine Gresham with this pick. But most are in agreement that Cincinnati should pull the trigger on an offensive playmaker, and right now, it appears Golden Tate’s stock is a bit higher than Gresham’s. Some have compared Tate favorably to Pittsburgh receiver Hines Ward, whom the Bengals know very well from having to face him twice a season.

    22. New England Patriots: Mike Iupati, OG, Idaho
    -The Patriots would have killed to see a pass-rusher slip to this pick, but Graham and Kindle are both off the board. Do they reach for a Ricky Sapp or Jerry Hughes? Maybe, but the Patriots don’t strike me as a team willing to compromise value for need. With Logan Mankins a restricted free agent and Stephen Neal likely testing the market, it may be time for the Patriots to reload at guard with the draft’s best prospect, Mike Iupati.

    23. Green Bay Packers: Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
    -We had to listen to the stat all season – Aaron Rodgers spent 2009 getting sacked left and right, and the Packers led the league in sacks allowed with 51. Left tackle Chad Clifton could be heading to free agency, and it doesn’t look like there’s a player on the roster prepared to replace him. Resigning Clifton for a season or two could be ideal, as that would give a raw Bruce Campbell some additional time to learn the position before taking over down the road.

    24. Philadelphia Eagles: Everson Griffen, DE, USC
    -The Eagles have one stand-out defensive end in Trent Cole, but they’re going to need to find someone capable of rushing the passer from the other side. Victor Abiamiri doesn’t pose much of a threat, and though Juqua Parker racked up eight sacks in 2009, he’ll turn 32 years old in May. Everson Griffen has the ability to make a home in the opposition’s backfield, as he demonstrated in his final year at USC with nearly ten tackles for loss and eight sacks.

    25. Baltimore Ravens: Damian Williams, WR, USC
    -Projecting how the receivers are going to come off the board after Dez Bryant is a bit of a challenge. Currently I have Golden Tate as the second receiver off the board, but I think USC’s Damian Williams may have better potential at the next level. He’s considered one of the strongest route runners in this class, and the Ravens have a clear need at the position, even if they execute a trade this offseason.

    26. Arizona Cardinals: Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State
    -In somewhat surprising news, the Cardinals may be considering cutting their starting free safety Antrel Rolle, potentially making an already weak secondary even weaker. While Boise State’s Kyle Wilson wouldn’t plug the hole left by Rolle, it would give the Cardinals a legitimate corner who could start opposite of Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, which they most certainly need.

    27. Dallas Cowboys: Taylor Mays, S, USC
    -This was a tough pick to project, because after his Senior Bowl performance, I’m not sure that Taylor Mays is still a first round prospect. That being said, Ken Hamlin could be released this offseason, leaving Dallas with just Alan Ball at the free safety position. Mays will have to find a way to reverse his current offseason momentum if he wants to hear his name called in the first round.

    28. San Diego Chargers: Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
    -The position I have the Chargers addressing hasn’t changed from my previous mocks, but the player they’re selecting has. Over the last month or so, Dan Williams has seemingly surpassed Alabama’s Terrence Cody as the draft’s top 3-4 nose tackle prospect. While Williams could certainly go higher than this, San Diego will find it hard not to take him and begin grooming him as Jamal Williams’ successor.

    29. New York Jets: Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois
    -Though the Jets finished the season as one of the league’s best rushing teams, they’re going to need to make some improvements in the passing game if they want to legitimately contend for an NFL title. They believe they have their franchise quarterback in Mark Sanchez; now they just need to improve the weapons around him.

    30. Minnesota Vikings: Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
    -Dan Williams would have been an ideal selection for the Vikings, but with Williams off the board, I think Minnesota could look to the cornerback position. Top cornerback Antoine Winfield missed six games this year and played poorly when he returned to the field; though Florida State’s pass defense was one of the worst in college football, Patrick Robinson projects well to the next level.

    31. Indianapolis Colts: Jared Odrick, DT, Penn State
    -Indianapolis’ personnel at defensive tackle don’t provide much in terms of a pass rush, and an interior rush would really help make outside ends Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis even more dangerous. Odrick was one of the more disruptive linemen at the Senior Bowl, and will likely secure a late first round or early second round selection if he can keep impressing.

    32. New Orleans Saints: Sean Weatherspoon, LB, Missouri
    -It’s always tough to look at a championship team and figure out where they need help. How much help could they really use if they just won a title? That being said, while the Saints appear to be pretty loaded on offense, their defense could still use some work. Scott Fujita and Scott Shanle are serviceable, but you’ll have a hard time convincing me that Sean Weatherspoon wouldn’t provide an upgrade at outside linebacker.



    RAMS MOCK DRAFT

    Round Two (33): Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
    -The value at quarterback isn’t great here, and a number of receivers are off the board making it a questionable pick. With Randy McMichael likely departing in free agency, a new starting tight end is needed. With a strong offseason, Gresham could be a Top 20-25 pick in this class, so getting him at the top of the second round is nice value.

    Round Three (65): Tony Pike, QB, Cincinnati
    -Dan LeFevour would be another option here, but I’ll mix it up from other Rams mocks and go with Pike. He combines good accuracy with a solid enough arm, impressive field vision, and underrated mobility. Get him into an NFL caliber strength program to add some weight to his 6’6” frame, and he could emerge down the road.

    Round Four (96): Brandon Lang, DE, Troy
    -Like Pike, Lang is going to have to hit the weight room and add some bulk and strength if he’s going to develop into a starting caliber end. But while he continues to grow, he should be able to use his pass rush skills as part of a rotation at defensive end.

    Round Five (128): Brandon Carter, OL, Texas Tech
    -The 326-pounder is a balanced blocker who could be a capable guard at the next level, but his strong initial punch and quick feet may give him a chance to make it at right tackle as well.

    Round Five (151): Kavell Conner, LB, Clemson
    -Conner’s combination of size and toughness make him a prospect to keep an eye on as the draft begins to wind down. The Rams’ personnel at OLB isn’t strong by any means.

    Round Six (160): Walter Thurmond, CB, Oregon
    -Thurmond missed most of the year with a knee injury, so his medical report will be key. He may be a gem in the mid to late rounds if he’s expected to return to form.

    Round Seven (192): Andre Anderson, RB, Tulane
    -Anderson deserves late round consideration, and could compete with Chris Ogbonnaya and Kenneth Darby for third team reps, assuming the Rams get a true back-up in free agency.

    Round Seven (210): Alric Arnett, WR, West Virginia
    -I’m allowed one homer pick, no? Arnett was underutilized at West Virginia, but impressed scouts at the East-West Shrine Game. He’ll compete for a roster spot in a questionable group of receivers.

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    Re: Nick's Pre-Combine 2010 First Round & Full Rams Mock Draft

    Looks pretty good to me, Nick.

    I'd be torn in Round 2 with Gresham and Demaryius Thomas both still there. Gresham could provide a go-to receiver to the next QB, while Thomas (who I think will be fine despite his recent injury) could be a true home run threat.

    I'd also take LeFevour over Pike, but at this point that's more of a splitting hairs critique (I have LeFevour, Pike and Levi Brown ranked fairly close to one another right now).

    My biggest beef overall (and this again goes back to the issue of passing on Thomas), is I don't see a lot of offensive playmakers in the Rams selections.

    Still, overall I'd be fairly happy with these selections.

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    Re: Nick's Pre-Combine 2010 First Round & Full Rams Mock Draft

    I like it Nick, nice job.

    Seeing Bradford going to the Squawks doesn't make me happy though.

    Which round do think Tebow will be selected? I don't know what it is but I like Tebow.

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    Re: Nick's Pre-Combine 2010 First Round & Full Rams Mock Draft

    Honestly if I was the Bucs...I'd go Derrick Morgan rather than JPP. I'd be OK with Suh/Gresham/QB...but I do hope we add some more offensive playmakers like AV said.

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    Re: Nick's Pre-Combine 2010 First Round & Full Rams Mock Draft

    i love our first 3 picks..i think Gresham would be a big player for us and having a TE of his quality would help out whoever is our QB a lot and our Wideouts for that matter..he could be the most talented rookie TE weve had since Troy Drayton imho and turn out to have a lot better career than him.
    i actually rate the need for a top notch TE higher than a wideout even tho the ones still left on the board would be extremely tempting.
    dont know a great deal about the rest of our picks apart from Brandon Carter..
    is Kavell Connor projected to play the Will or Sam at the next level? i must confess i dont know much atall about him..


    the rest of the 1st round..is a beehive of thought provoking picks..

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    Re: Nick's Pre-Combine 2010 First Round & Full Rams Mock Draft

    Overall, I can't complain with this mock.

    Suh gives us a playmaker for our defense, and bolsters the play of every defensive lineman and linebacker near him.

    Gresham gives our current QB and future QB a big, reliable target in traffic, over the middle, near the sidelines, and in the redzone.

    I prefer LeFevour, and Skelton, and maybe even Canfield more than Pike. Pike's not a bad player, but to me, he's not very consistent. If he can put some weight on his frame, he has a pretty good chance of being a good NFL QB.

    Brandon Lang isn't too bad, do you think he is better than Austen Lane?

    Love the Carter pick. IMO, he is very underrated. He possesses good footwork and agility for a guy his size, and is a huge mauler. I figure he could be a solid contender for our RG spot. Or, he could maybe slide to RT and we put John Greco in as RG. Greco is a pretty good run-blocker, and flanked with Jason Brown and Brandon Carter, our right side should be a solid wall of human mass.

    Kavell Conner is a great pick. Had him in one of my mocks.

    Can't say anything negative about round 6 - 7.

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    Re: Nick's Pre-Combine 2010 First Round & Full Rams Mock Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by laram0 View Post

    Which round do think Tebow will be selected? I don't know what it is but I like Tebow.
    Honestly I'm in the same boat I like tebow and would like to see him succeed... thinking he'll be a 4th-5th round pick, what you guys think?

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    Re: Nick's Pre-Combine 2010 First Round & Full Rams Mock Draft

    Risky draft, full of spread offense guys. Very hard to evaluate those guys in those systems.

    First you have Gresham. These guys never line up inline and block, so you never know what you're going to get there. Could be another Flopenstein/Byrd situation where they can't risk playing the guy until his blocking skills come up to par. Not to mention his current injury status. I think when it's all said and done the Rams can't risk missing on the 33rd overall pick and won't even consider Gresham even if he is still on the board.

    Then Pike. Even in the 3rd is too high for my tastes. Too erratic at Cincinatti this year. Has a lot of questions from where I'm sitting. Even more so than your average spread system QB. Durability and toughness are a concern.

    Brandon Carter same deal. Hard to evaluate. How he would translate to a power running game is hard to gauge. One thing I don't like about him is his body type. Looks like a lot of bad weight on him. That might be due to some character issues, not a hard worker when it comes to conditioning and in the weight room?

    Lane is probably the one pick I like. Anytime you can put pressure on records set by a dominant player at your position (Demarcus Ware) and they're recent too, that can only mean great things. I liked what he was doing at Troy this year and how he performed in the Senior Bowl. Not bad for a fourth round pick. I'd say nice value.

    No RB until very late. In this draft the position seems too deep to wait to address until the 6th round.

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    Re: Nick's Pre-Combine 2010 First Round & Full Rams Mock Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by TheRammer View Post
    Honestly I'm in the same boat I like tebow and would like to see him succeed... thinking he'll be a 4th-5th round pick, what you guys think?
    If Tebow is in fact a 4th or 5th round pick we better select him.

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    Re: Nick's Pre-Combine 2010 First Round & Full Rams Mock Draft

    Pretty good,

    Its very, very hard to believe any of those guys will there there in Rounds 2-5...

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    Re: Nick's Pre-Combine 2010 First Round & Full Rams Mock Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    Looks pretty good to me, Nick.

    I'd be torn in Round 2 with Gresham and Demaryius Thomas both still there. Gresham could provide a go-to receiver to the next QB, while Thomas (who I think will be fine despite his recent injury) could be a true home run threat.

    I'd also take LeFevour over Pike, but at this point that's more of a splitting hairs critique (I have LeFevour, Pike and Levi Brown ranked fairly close to one another right now).

    My biggest beef overall (and this again goes back to the issue of passing on Thomas), is I don't see a lot of offensive playmakers in the Rams selections.

    Still, overall I'd be fairly happy with these selections.
    The issue with Round Two is that I simply think Gresham is going to have much better value than Thomas when it's said and done, especially because Thomas' injury is going to keep him from working out before the draft. He's not going to be able to wow people and get some buzz going for him, unless the forty-yard dash that his agent supposedly taped and sent out does it, but I'm not so sure.

    LeFevour and Pike are both solid mid-round candidates. It's possible both could be gone by the time the Rams pick, or it's possible both could still be on the board. I went Pike mostly because it seemed a lot of mocks have been going LeFevour, and I thought it might be nice to put someone else in there who also deserves some attention and who could be good at the next level. I'm not sure I agree with you about Levi Brown's value.

    The draft is a bit short on offensive playmakers, but the question I just kept asking myself was whether a fourth or fifth round skill position player really helps this team that much. The projection assumes the Rams find a back-up RB in free agency (I hinted at it in the description of the seventh round pick, but maybe should have made it more clear). Gresham I think would certainly help the offense, and maybe if he can become a reliable tight end, that helps the receivers we already have.

    Quote Originally Posted by laram0 View Post
    I like it Nick, nice job.

    Seeing Bradford going to the Squawks doesn't make me happy though.

    Which round do think Tebow will be selected? I don't know what it is but I like Tebow.
    Wouldn't be surprised if he's off the board before the third round is over. Someone is going to take a chance on him based on his intangibles, probably someone who is strong enough and in a position to take a risk on a guy. New England and Minnesota stick out. I wouldn't rule New Orleans out, and I think Jacksonville still could pull the trigger on him in rounds two or three.

    Quote Originally Posted by sdobbers View Post
    Honestly if I was the Bucs...I'd go Derrick Morgan rather than JPP. I'd be OK with Suh/Gresham/QB...but I do hope we add some more offensive playmakers like AV said.
    The buzz about Pierre-Paul is potential. You look at his résumé alone and it's hard to see him in the Top Ten, let alone Top Three. But the guy has a lot of skill and talent, and if an NFL team can take him and really tap into that, they could have a monster on their hand. Morgan seems to be viewed more as a solid guy, high floor but perhaps not a great ceiling. I'm not sure I'd take either in the top five, personally.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramblin` Ram View Post
    i love our first 3 picks..i think Gresham would be a big player for us and having a TE of his quality would help out whoever is our QB a lot and our Wideouts for that matter..he could be the most talented rookie TE weve had since Troy Drayton imho and turn out to have a lot better career than him.
    i actually rate the need for a top notch TE higher than a wideout even tho the ones still left on the board would be extremely tempting.
    dont know a great deal about the rest of our picks apart from Brandon Carter..
    is Kavell Connor projected to play the Will or Sam at the next level? i must confess i dont know much atall about him..


    the rest of the 1st round..is a beehive of thought provoking picks..
    I think you've brought up a good point about tight end perhaps being a bigger need than wide receiver, and I say that as someone who has argued for a #1 receiver on this team. But at least the Rams have some variables at receiver who could come along. They really have nothing at tight end at this point, because I don't think Fells or the new kid (Fine?) offer a tremendous amount of upside. I think if the Rams feel comfortable with the current group of receivers (plus perhaps a vet), then acquiring a starting-caliber tight end makes a lot of sense.

    I think Conner might be a better fit on the weak side, just from what I've read about him. His combine tests will be important to help clarify potential concerns about his change of direction skills and overall agility. Still, if his size holds up, you have to like that in combination with his durability, especially where you'd be getting him.

    Quote Originally Posted by RockinRam View Post
    Overall, I can't complain with this mock.

    Suh gives us a playmaker for our defense, and bolsters the play of every defensive lineman and linebacker near him.

    Gresham gives our current QB and future QB a big, reliable target in traffic, over the middle, near the sidelines, and in the redzone.

    I prefer LeFevour, and Skelton, and maybe even Canfield more than Pike. Pike's not a bad player, but to me, he's not very consistent. If he can put some weight on his frame, he has a pretty good chance of being a good NFL QB.

    Brandon Lang isn't too bad, do you think he is better than Austen Lane?

    Love the Carter pick. IMO, he is very underrated. He possesses good footwork and agility for a guy his size, and is a huge mauler. I figure he could be a solid contender for our RG spot. Or, he could maybe slide to RT and we put John Greco in as RG. Greco is a pretty good run-blocker, and flanked with Jason Brown and Brandon Carter, our right side should be a solid wall of human mass.

    Kavell Conner is a great pick. Had him in one of my mocks.

    Can't say anything negative about round 6 - 7.
    I think Pike has the edge on both Canfield and Skelton, and I say this as someone who previously mocked Canfield in the third round on the chance that he'd continuing rolling from a strong season into a strong offseason. But it doesn't sound like it's happened as much as you'd like. Pike I think has a lot of the physical skills you look for, but he's going to have to bulk up if he's going to survive at the next level. His lack of bulk and his durability concern me, but there's a lot to like about him as well.

    I like Lang in the fourth round; I wasn't as confident that Lane would be there.

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    Honestly I'm in the same boat I like tebow and would like to see him succeed... thinking he'll be a 4th-5th round pick, what you guys think?
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    If Tebow is in fact a 4th or 5th round pick we better select him.
    Could be, but I just get a feeling someone's going to take a flier on him earlier than that. He'll probably convince someone in the interview process, and they'll grab him a bit earlier.

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    Risky draft, full of spread offense guys. Very hard to evaluate those guys in those systems.

    First you have Gresham. These guys never line up inline and block, so you never know what you're going to get there. Could be another Flopenstein/Byrd situation where they can't risk playing the guy until his blocking skills come up to par. Not to mention his current injury status. I think when it's all said and done the Rams can't risk missing on the 33rd overall pick and won't even consider Gresham even if he is still on the board.

    Then Pike. Even in the 3rd is too high for my tastes. Too erratic at Cincinatti this year. Has a lot of questions from where I'm sitting. Even more so than your average spread system QB. Durability and toughness are a concern.

    Brandon Carter same deal. Hard to evaluate. How he would translate to a power running game is hard to gauge. One thing I don't like about him is his body type. Looks like a lot of bad weight on him. That might be due to some character issues, not a hard worker when it comes to conditioning and in the weight room?

    Lane is probably the one pick I like. Anytime you can put pressure on records set by a dominant player at your position (Demarcus Ware) and they're recent too, that can only mean great things. I liked what he was doing at Troy this year and how he performed in the Senior Bowl. Not bad for a fourth round pick. I'd say nice value.

    No RB until very late. In this draft the position seems too deep to wait to address until the 6th round.
    Regarding Gresham, I understand your concern about a spread offense tight end's ability to block in-line, but I think it's probably a bit much to claim guys like Gresham never do it. I'd be shocked if he hadn't done it, really. And concerns or not, it's tough for me to believe the Rams, who will likely be letting their starting tight end walk in free agency, won't consider the draft's best prospect at the position in the second round. As for Klopfenstein, he not only played but started as a rookie, he wasn't held back because his blocking skills made him too risky. But that was a different regime, so who knows how this one feels.

    Pike, I think, is hovering around that second to third round value right now. He was a potential late first rounder after the college football season ended, and while I don't think he helped his stock that much at the Senior Bowl, I don't think he hurt it that much either. The combine will be important for him, if only to show that he's put on some more weight. If he comes in again under 220, it's going to raise some eyebrows. I agree that durability and toughness are concerns for him, but in a weak crop of quarterbacks, his strengths put him in that second tier of passers IMO.

    Carter was one of the better prospects available when I was considering who might be there at the top of the fifth round, and it sounds like he had an impressive enough time at the East-West Shrine game to at least partially address concerns about operating in a three-point stance. The only character issue that I've heard regarding him was his one game suspension for violating team rules. If you have more details about potential character issues or him not being a hard worker, I'd be interested to see them.

    As I mentioned in a response earlier, I anticipated the Rams making a move for a back-up RB in free agency, which is why they may be able to wait so late until addressing the RB situation. When I was looking at potentially available prospects in the fourth round and beyond, it was tough to find a RB that really stood out as a must-take guy. Maybe Joique Bell, but I dunno. It was really tough for me to pass on Gresham and Pike - potential starters for this team at positions of need - for a back-up running back of at best equal value.

    Quote Originally Posted by richtree View Post
    Pretty good,

    Its very, very hard to believe any of those guys will there there in Rounds 2-5...
    I don't think it's that outrageous. For instance, I've created a scenario where Gresham falls to the top of round two, and I don't think the first round mock is that unrealistic. I think Pike certainly could be available at the top of the third, depending on how his offseason goes.

    On top of my own opinions, I consulted a number of other draft sites to make sure I wasn't taking a guy in round four who was generally considered to go in, say, round two. So I don't think the projection is that unrealistic, especially when you consider the Rams are the first pick of every round. A borderline third round prospect could easily slip to the top of the fourth, depending on how things play out beforehand.
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    I don't think it's that outrageous. For instance, I've created a scenario where Gresham falls to the top of round two, and I don't think the first round mock is that unrealistic. I think Pike certainly could be available at the top of the third, depending on how his offseason goes.

    On top of my own opinions, I consulted a number of other draft sites to make sure I wasn't taking a guy in round four who was generally considered to go in, say, round two. So I don't think the projection is that unrealistic, especially when you consider the Rams are the first pick of every round. A borderline third round prospect could easily slip to the top of the fourth, depending on how things play out beforehand.

    If I was a betting man (which I am lol) - I would bet every one of your picks end (rounds 2-5) go in the prevouis round than where you drafted them.
    No way Pike gets out of the 2nd. We will take him round 2 if he is there, not to metion 6 of the next 12 teams after us need a QB.

    I think Hernadez from Florida may climb up draft boards. Look how good he played in a run heavy system with a guy who wasn't great throwing the ball around.

    Brandon Lang is a 3rd round guy too., I just can't see this happening.
    I would be happy, but less than 50% chance of any guy available at that draft spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richtree View Post
    If I was a betting man (which I am lol) - I would bet every one of your picks end (rounds 2-5) go in the prevouis round than where you drafted them.
    No way Pike gets out of the 2nd. We will take him round 2 if he is there, not to metion 6 of the next 12 teams after us need a QB.

    I think Hernadez from Florida may climb up draft boards. Look how good he played in a run heavy system with a guy who wasn't great throwing the ball around.

    Brandon Lang is a 3rd round guy too., I just can't see this happening.
    I would be happy, but less than 50% chance of any guy available at that draft spot.
    Perhaps, we'll just have to wait and see. A lot can still change between now and the draft, considering we still have the combine and pro days to go. For instance, I could definitely see Pike going in the second round if he has a solid combine and pro day, because I think it's possible some QBs will get overdrafted because of the positional weakness of the class. But then again, I don't think it's unreasonable to put him in the third either. And that's not exactly a fringe opinion, either.

    Like I said earlier, my projections generally aren't just based on my own opinions regarding a guy's value but also information I gather from other resources. If a guy's valued by a number of other resources as a second round pick, I'm probably going to edge on the side of realism and not project him to the Rams in the third round, even if I suspect he'll be there.

    In Brandon Lang's case, not only do I think he could be there, but I found multiple other resources that valued him in that fourth round area as well. Could he rise up boards and be drafted higher than that? Absolutely. But is it unrealistic to put him in the fourth round right now? I don't think so at all. So we can agree to disagree, I guess, as to how realistic or likely the projected players are at their current slots.
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    Regarding Gresham, I understand your concern about a spread offense tight end's ability to block in-line, but I think it's probably a bit much to claim guys like Gresham never do it. I'd be shocked if he hadn't done it, really. And concerns or not, it's tough for me to believe the Rams, who will likely be letting their starting tight end walk in free agency, won't consider the draft's best prospect at the position in the second round. As for Klopfenstein, he not only played but started as a rookie, he wasn't held back because his blocking skills made him too risky. But that was a different regime, so who knows how this one feels.
    Don't get me wrong. I really like Gresham. As far as the blocking, I've watched a lot of tape on the 2008 sooners. No, never was the wrong word. He has done it, just not very often at all. Certainly not often enough to gauge how effective he is at it.

    As a prospect though, for the Rams, the risk is huge. We're a very untalented team. For us to miss on another high pick, is unfathomable and honestly, if this regime doesn't start hitting on some picks and soon, they may end up out of a job before those guys ever produce. This draft is huge in that respect. Just as last year's but this one probably even more so with the uncertainty surrounding the team. Obviously the later you draft, in later rounds, the risk gets mitigated. In Gresham's case, #33 just may prove to be too high, even if he is worth it. That's just a testament to where we're at as a team, not a knock on Gresham per se.

    Cincinatti took a guy like Gresham last year in Coffman who played in a very similar system. I thought he'd make a great target at the next level for some offense. He gets into camp and he proved that the transition was just too much for him to make last year. It was the adjustment to being on the line in a stance and the blocking aspect involved. For these guys it's not just a jump in talent level they must adjust to. Not to say he can't do it, he's only going to be in his 2nd year but you run this risk with every spread TE at the next level. Aaron Hernandez is another guy I like but falls into the same category.

    As for Klopfenstein. The reason he started was by default. That regime put themselves in that position by going into the draft with only one TE under contract and then trading him for a 2nd day pick. Not only did they have to start Klopfenstein by default, they cornered themselves into drafting not just one but two guys in that draft and made their intentions clear that they'd have to draft one very highly. Not to smart of a draft strategy when everyone knows what you're going to do. He wasn't a great blocker though and it certainly affected not only his play but the play of the entire offense. Didn't help either that Byrd was cut into the same mold, pretty much a pass catcher only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick
    Pike, I think, is hovering around that second to third round value right now. He was a potential late first rounder after the college football season ended, and while I don't think he helped his stock that much at the Senior Bowl, I don't think he hurt it that much either. The combine will be important for him, if only to show that he's put on some more weight. If he comes in again under 220, it's going to raise some eyebrows. I agree that durability and toughness are concerns for him, but in a weak crop of quarterbacks, his strengths put him in that second tier of passers IMO.
    Pike scares me. In fact they all scare me after the top two. I wouldn't touch a QB in the first three rounds outside of Bradford and Clausen. I think if you want a QB, go for the best one or don't go for one at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick
    Carter was one of the better prospects available when I was considering who might be there at the top of the fifth round, and it sounds like he had an impressive enough time at the East-West Shrine game to at least partially address concerns about operating in a three-point stance. The only character issue that I've heard regarding him was his one game suspension for violating team rules. If you have more details about potential character issues or him not being a hard worker, I'd be interested to see them.
    I'm hot and cold on Carter. At times I like him, at times I don't so it's had to gauge his value for me. Anybody that can give Suh a run for his money seems alright to me, then I watch him play at other times and he leaves a lot to be desired. /shrug.

    As far as the concerns. I don't have any noted ones that I can think of outside of what is already out there. I'm going just off of the eyeball test here. His weight has never looked like good weight. That raises a concern for me. Warranted? Unwarranted? I don't know right now. Offensive and Defensive Lineman can be broken down by body type. His isn't appealing to me as a prospect.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick
    As I mentioned in a response earlier, I anticipated the Rams making a move for a back-up RB in free agency, which is why they may be able to wait so late until addressing the RB situation. When I was looking at potentially available prospects in the fourth round and beyond, it was tough to find a RB that really stood out as a must-take guy. Maybe Joique Bell, but I dunno. It was really tough for me to pass on Gresham and Pike - potential starters for this team at positions of need - for a back-up running back of at best equal value.
    Gotcha. I just see a lot of talented backs in this draft, even into the 5th round. I'd like to grab one that's a little better than the guy you have in the 6th is all.

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    I think we could get a quality TE in the 6th or 7th.......Dickson, LSU

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