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    Re: The Official 2009 NFL Combine Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Bar-bq View Post
    Just as a point of reference, does anyone know what Pace benched coming out?
    Searched for it last night for comparison, couldn't find it.

    Some WR times from today...

    Maclin 4.4
    Heyward-Bey 4.32
    Britt 4.48
    Harvin 4.37
    Nicks 4.49
    Iglesias 4.51
    Robiskie 4.51
    D. Butler 4.26!
    Barden 4.57
    Cosby 4.44

    Maclin kept saying his goal was 4.29, and had a previous best of 4.31. His 4.4 is still good, but I don't think it really helps him significantly when it comes to closing the gap or even overtaking Crabtree.


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    Re: The Official 2009 NFL Combine Thread

    People who deny that Crabtree is the real deal is oblivous to his talents. He is planning on running his 40 still to prove the haters wrong on his speed. His YAC speaks for itself and even though he played against the Big 10 you can just tell he has that IT that you look for in a football player

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    Re: The Official 2009 NFL Combine Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by bruce4life View Post
    People who deny that Crabtree is the real deal is oblivous to his talents. He is planning on running his 40 still to prove the haters wrong on his speed. His YAC speaks for itself and even though he played against the Big 10 you can just tell he has that IT that you look for in a football player
    Totally agree! The Rams could have an Ike bruce Jr. on their hands here!
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    Re: The Official 2009 NFL Combine Thread

    Mark Sanchez Throwing now!
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    Re: The Official 2009 NFL Combine Thread

    Running backs now running at the Combine. (Marshall Faulk - Analysis)
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    West Virginia's Pat White QB at Combine

    Many expected Pat White, out of West Virginia to work with the Wide Receivers during the Combine. Surprisingly he's working out with the QB's.
    Did anyone catch his performance at the Combine?
    Reports say he had a pretty good showing.
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    Yes, He ran a 4.49 40. Led all QBs in the vertical, threw the ball great. Marshall Faulk said he was the best athlete he saw, and he threw the ball better than any QB there. Sanchez was throwing right before him.

    Anyone out there with any contacts to the rams front office-we need to put a bug in their ear about Pat White. He is a great leader besides throwing and running. I have watched him for 4 yrs at WVU. He is a winner. Perfect backup for Bulger for the time being. Great wildcat QB and could be a 3rd receiver. Steel at pick #35.
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    Re: The Official 2009 NFL Combine Thread

    Kenny Brit has looked really good as well as Hakeem Nicks. I think if Crabtree put up Kenny Britts numbers including measurable like he was expected to I think Crabtree would be way more in the conversation than he is right now.

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    Re: The Official 2009 NFL Combine Thread

    Mike Thomas, a guy I have on my most recent mock, ran a 4.4 and also had the second fastest 3 cone time. I'd love to see that guy on special teams and in the slot. Probably moved up to a 3rd to 4th round pick, though, which is probably too high for the Rams to consider a WR of his size.

    Ramses Barden's 4.57 is significant, given his size. He could be a Brandon Marshall type (hopefully without the baggage). I'd keep my eye on him.

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    Re: The Official 2009 NFL Combine Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by bruce4life View Post
    People who deny that Crabtree is the real deal is oblivous to his talents. He is planning on running his 40 still to prove the haters wrong on his speed. His YAC speaks for itself and even though he played against the Big 10 you can just tell he has that IT that you look for in a football player
    I don't know that there are too many Crabtree haters out there. I think that most who think the Rams should pass on him are concerned that the Rams can't afford to spend their first pick on a WR, even one as talented as Crabtree.

    I am impressed by his decision to run. If he can run in the low 4.5s, he will certainly be a top 10 pick, though not necessarily the Rams' choice.

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    Re: The Official 2009 NFL Combine Thread

    Av, What's your take on Brian Robiskie?

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    Re: The Official 2009 NFL Combine Thread

    IMO, Andre Smith shouldn't even be a consideration for the Rams at this point. My top 3 picks for our first round pick would be Jason Smith, Aaron Curry, and Eugene Monroe, in that order.

    I'm really impressed with Jason Smith. Great athleticism, great strength and fierce playing, and good hands and arms. I won't be surprised if Devaney takes this guy.

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    Re: The Official 2009 NFL Combine Thread

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    Av, What's your take on Brian Robiskie?
    IMO doesn't get to our 3rd round pick, but would be great if he did. I think the third round is a good place to start looking at a WR. I really like Juaqin Iglesisas if Robiskies not there. He is great route runner with great hands, he is a "possesion" receiver and I think he will be a good compliment to Avery. Ramses Barden may be an interesting option he has great measurable, but I think he has a long way to go.

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    Re: West Virginia's Pat White QB at Combine

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    Steel at pick #35.
    I wouldn't call him a steal at 35, though he might be working himself into the late second or early third round. And I say this as a huge Pat White fan and WVU alum. It sounds like he had a great workout though, and Don Banks actually said he looked like the best QB on the field throwing the ball.

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    Re: The Official 2009 NFL Combine Thread

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    Snap Judgments: QBs at combine
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    Posted: Sunday February 22, 2009 4:55PM; Updated: Sunday February 22, 2009 4:55PM

    INDIANAPOLIS -- Musings, observations and the occasional insight as we wrap up Money Day at the NFL Scouting Combine, the day the quarterbacks show their stuff (at least the ones who deem to work out) ...

    • Score one for collegiate experience and a little old-fashioned perseverance, because of all the quarterbacks who threw on Sunday in Lucas Oil Stadium, none looked better than West Virginia's Pat White, the record-breaking senior passer who many have been trying to project as anything but a quarterback.

    White threw the ball accurately and with authority in his quarterback group, looking poised and comfortable in an unfamiliar setting that has thrown many a highly-ranked quarterback off his game. White was especially strong in throwing deep outs, which always catch the eye of NFL scouts.

    "I'll tell you who looked good today and that was Pat White,'' one longtime NFL offensive assistant coach told me. "He really helped himself with that workout. He made people recognize him as a quarterback.''

    In a draft class heavy with junior quarterbacks at the top, it was White who generated the most buzz Sunday. Not USC's Mark Sanchez, who was decent but far from spectacular, or Georgia's Matthew Stafford, the top-rated passer who ran a solid 40-yard dash (low 4.8s) but declined to throw here with the rest of the draft's quarterbacks.

    White might still be thought of by some NFL talent evaluators as best-suited to be a team's Wildcat formation quarterback and part-time receiver, but all Sunday's throwing session has to do is convince one team to draft him as a full-time quarterback.

    "He was sharp and he made all the throws you want to see,'' another NFL talent evaluator told me. "Our quarterbacks coach said he looked better than most people anticipated.''

    • Other quick-hit impressions from the player workouts on Sunday:

    -- Southern Cal's Sanchez did nothing to make anyone believe he's top 10 material at this point. He struggled quite a bit on passes he threw outside the numbers, near the sidelines, and only looked great on slant patterns. I expect any potential chatter about Sanchez being a real option for the Lions at No. 1 to all but evaporate unless he has a boffo pro day workout next month.

    -- Kansas State quarterback Josh Freeman was thought to be someone who could really improve his draft projection based on his throwing session, but he was erratic in the drills and probably did nothing to help himself crack the first round.

    -- Ball State quarterback Nate Davis wasn't too impressive either and is probably still in the range of the third round in terms of his draft status.

    -- Michigan State's Brian Hoyer was a solid performer among a rather ho-hum quarterback group. He's an under-the-radar type product who didn't have much of a senior season for the Spartans, but he seems ready to climb a bit after Sunday. He doesn't have the deep arm that NFL evaluators like, but he at least looked good by comparison to his fellow passers on Sunday.

    -- Among receivers, I heard rave reviews for Ohio State senior Brian Robiskie, who caught everything that came his way, and North Carolina's Hakeem Nicks, who continues to look like a polished product who will wind up going in the bottom third of the first round. Neither player ran great, finishing in the 4.5 range, but there's plenty of room in the NFL for proven commodities like Robiskie and Nicks who lack blazing speed.

    -- If there was a consensus Sunday, it was that most of the receivers ran faster than expected. That list included Maryland's Darrius Heyward-Bey, whose 4.30 tied for the second-fastest 40 for a receiver at the Combine since 2000, Mississippi's Mike Wallace (4.33) and Abilene Christian's Johnny Knox (4.34).

    • I've covered plenty of NFL combines without ever seeing Patriots head coach Bill Belichick once all weekend, but he surprisingly gave reporters a rare audience for almost 20 minutes on Sunday morning in the media workroom, beginning with a rambling, almost 12-minute long opening statement that for a while struck me as a filibuster designed to avoid being asked a question. Eventually he took a handful of queries before returning to watch the player workouts that were beginning.

    Wearing a red and black Rutgers lacrosse zip pullover rather than his usual loose-fitting Patriots gear, Belichick touched on a lot of topics, and we'd be remiss if we didn't hit the highlights for you. To wit:

    -- Maybe the most interesting subject that he brought up, unbided by the way, is the drain of Super Bowl coaching talent that has left the league in recent years. Belichick is now just one of three head coaches in the league who have won a ring, joining the Giants' Tom Coughlin and Pittsburgh's Mike Tomlin.

    In the past three offseasons, the NFL coaching ranks have lost the likes of Mike Shanahan, Jon Gruden, Tony Dungy, Mike Holmgren, Brian Billick, Joe Gibbs, and Bill Cowher. And not all of those left voluntarily.

    "I can't speak for what other teams are doing or not doing, but as a coach, it's sort of a little bit of an empty feeling to see people like that not in the game,'' Belichick said. "It just doesn't seem right, really, not to have people like Mike Shanahan and Jon Gruden, Brian Billick and Steve Mariucci, guys who I've coached against and in some cases not very well, not be head coaches in the National Football League. It's just hard to believe that coaches like (that) aren't coaching in the National Football League. It's just odd for them to be here (at the combine, in their NFL Network TV gigs), but not in a coaching capacity. But that's the National Football League.''

    -- Belichick took pains to mention how good it was to see here at the combine all of his former associates in coaching or in personnel who have moved on to bigger things after branching off the Belichick tree. Well, almost all. He noted by name new Browns general manager George Kokinis, new Lions head coach Jim Schwartz, new Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli, new Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels, new Packers defensive coordinator Dom Capers and others. Rather glaringly, he didn't find any reason whatsoever to reference new Browns head coach Eric Mangini, his former protιgι turned enemy.

    -- Belichick lightheartedly said he nearly fired Kokinis from the Cleveland organization in the early 1990s. "I was this close to firing him,'' Belichick joked. "One of his jobs in Cleveland was driving guys to the airport and he got in an accident.''

    -- Before taking questions, Belichick told reporters with a smile that he wasn't here to give any "injury updates,'' which everyone quickly understood to mean no Tom Brady knee-rehab questions.

    -- In assessing this year's crop of defensive backs, Belichick was fairly expansive about the changing role of the safety position in the NFL.

    "The safety position is becoming more and more a corner position in the NFL,'' Belichick said. "There was a time when some of the safeties, particularly the strong safeties, fit more almost like linebackers than they did as defensive backs. That's changed gradually, but now to the point where the defensive backs a lot of times have to cover either wide receivers or tight ends who are very, very good in the passing game. So the demands of that position have changed and we have to change the evaluation of them.''

    -- And finally this, when asked one too many follow-up questions about the NFL's coaching ranks, in particular the trend toward hiring younger, first-time candidates: "I don't know. I'm just trying to coach the Patriots, really. I'm not trying to solve the world's problems.''

    • One of the bigger combine sub-plots centers on top-rated cornerback Malcolm Jenkins and how fast he runs here on Tuesday. There's debate within the NFL whether Jenkins is fast enough to play cornerback in the league, or if he'll have to shift to safety to compensate for his lack of speed.

    "I've heard all the speculation about how I'm going to run,'' Jenkins said Sunday. "Wherever it came from, it definitely snowballed. If I run slow, I'm going to be a safety. It's not something I'm worried about. It's all up to how I run and I'm really confident in what I'm going to do with that.''

    The expectations are that Jenkins will be in the 4.5 range, but he said he's confident he can beat that number and put himself firmly into the cornerback bin in this year's draft.

    "If you watch my film, I might not look as fast as some other guys, but I'm going to come out here and perform and do what I've been doing for four years,'' Jenkins said. "There's nothing to hide. It's funny to me, because you play and you've got four years of playing cornerback, and you think you're doing well, and it's like none of that means anything. Everybody has something to prove.''

    • Talk about anticlimactic. With great fanfare, Michael Crabtree was ushered into the media room Sunday morning to give a statement about his stress fracture injury, after which no questions were allowed.

    The statement lasted a good 15 seconds or so, meaning he's no Bill Belichick in my book.

    "It's an old injury I've been having,'' Crabtree said. "I've never had any pain in it. I will run my 40, and after I do that, I will have surgery. I'm looking forward to going to the next level.''

    All of which we knew Saturday night, once the NFL Network's Adam Schefter reported it.

    • It doesn't really seem like the Combine without the University of Miami having a first-round prospect. The Hurricanes don't even have a first-day prospect this year, a startling fact for a program that has had at least one player picked in the first round for 14 consecutive years, a streak that began in 1995 with Warren Sapp's selection by Tampa Bay.

    But times have changed, and Miami's first-round streak was almost snapped last year, when safety Kenny Phillips was the final pick of the first round, No. 31 by the Giants. Cornerback Bruce Johnson is the only UM prospect here this weekend, and he's considered a candidate to be selected in the middle rounds of the draft.

    • New Jets head coach Rex Ryan admitted this week that he's taking on 2008 first-round pick Vernon Gholston as his own personal project of sorts. Gholston was easily the biggest miss of last year's first round, giving the Jets virtually nothing as a rookie after being taken sixth overall. The former Ohio State linebacker-defensive end looked absolutely lost for much of the season, and was not even making New York's game-day active roster by year's end.

    "He's the type of physical presence you look for, and what's happened in the past is in the past,'' Ryan said this week. "We focus on our future and what's in front of us. I can tell you this: Vernon's been working out already. Vernon Gholston wants to be an outstanding football player, and he's showing a great passion for it. I would anticipate Vernon having a big year for us.''

    What else is Ryan supposed to say, right? But with a defensive-oriented resume like Ryan has, you can't dismiss his reclamation project efforts with Gholston.

    "We've got to get the most out of all our guys,'' Ryan said. "If that means I'm going to take a bigger turn at him, maybe that's factual. That might be a true statement.''

    • Boil it all down and the situation within the Giants organization seems to be this: general manager Jerry Reese and quarterback Eli Manning definitely want Plaxico Burress back if he manages to avoid jail time for his self-inflicted gunshot wound, and head coach Tom Coughlin pretty clearly is willing to move on without his troubled and distraction-creating top receiver.

    All things being equal, I'd put my money on Reese and Manning's viewpoint to win out, providing Burress gives the Giants no further reasons to get annoyed with him. Such as agent Drew Rosenhaus trying to shop him around the league in a trade without the Giants' permission.

    • Oklahoma State tight end Brandon Pettigrew ran a disappointing 4.87 on Saturday, but it's not as if scouts really saw the Cowboys star as a pass-catching talent who is capable of challenging a defense vertically. Pettigrew's forte is his blocking ability, and he was expected to be an underneath option in an NFL passing game.

    Pettigrew might not crack the top 15 as first expected, but his bad 40 time won't cost him his first-round status or his billing as the draft's best overall tight end grade.

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