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    Re: Mike Wallace Benched?

    I'd honestly rather overpay for Mike Wallace than for Amendola... just seems more like a sure thing to suit up and play every week.


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    Re: Mike Wallace Benched?

    Quote Originally Posted by sosa39rams View Post
    Hey Nick wouldn't ya know? Big Ben returns to the team and Mike Wallace goes off for 120 yards and 2 TD's.... WOW! What a surprise....


    ....welp.

    The guys a #1. Thats all there is to it.

    Did they win? I did not see it... to busy watching Gibson and our boys win on the road...

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    Mike Wallace blames losing focus for low production

    Posted by Josh Alper on December 7, 2012, 9:52 AM EST
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    Steelers wide receiver Mike Wallace’s production has dropped off sharply this season, something that has only gotten worse with Ben Roethlisberger on the shelf for the last four games.

    Wallace has 10 catches for 77 yards in those games and drops have been a problem all season for the previously surer-handed Wallace. Some might point to his long absence from the team while trying to get a long-term deal this offseason, but Wallace doesn’t think that’s the case. He’s chalking it up to a loss of focus caused by the offense looking in other directions for long stretches, saying that he sometimes he has to “remind them not to forget about me.”

    “When I don’t get the ball for a certain amount of time, I lose focus sometimes. It hurts me when it’s time for me to make a play,” Wallace said, via Ralph N. Paulk of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. “The toughest thing is staying positive through three quarters because you’re not going to get the ball every time. You have to be ready to deliver when it comes your way. That’s been the biggest thing I’ve had to learn this year.”

    Wallace has made some big plays this year, including one to jumpstart the team in their win over the Giants, but far fewer than he’s made in the last two seasons. That’s not exactly the best way to head into free agency nor is admitting that you lose focus in games unless the ball is thrown to you, which leaves Wallace at least four games to leave a better impression.


    Sign him

    This what the word is, he has been pouting beciae he is not getting enough passes in a contract year, that's why they benched him... I hate divas
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    Re: Mike Wallace Benched?

    Not really, I was never the biggest Amendola fan the first 2 years. However, if there is one thing I have been wrong about, its Amendola

    I would prefer to keep Amendola and Givens than overpaying for Wallace


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    Re: Mike Wallace Benched?

    Yes lets not go out and get a game changing receiver and just bring back the same group of receivers that got us only 15 points against the 29th ranked defense in the league and was limited to 1 FG in regulation last week.

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    Re: Mike Wallace Benched?

    I'd bring back Amendola if its a reasonable deal, but no way is he worth the franchise tag.

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    Re: Mike Wallace Benched?

    Delete this please


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    Re: Mike Wallace Benched?

    Quote Originally Posted by jmk321 View Post
    Yes lets not go out and get a game changing receiver and just bring back the same group of receivers that got us only 15 points against the 29th ranked defense in the league and was limited to 1 FG in regulation last week.
    I'm all for a game changing WR. But I'm not overpaying for mike wallace when we can turn givens into mike wallace. I would rather go after Bowe. Other than Reggie Wayne, andrew luck has a bunch of no names, he doesn't seem to have any problems.

    Go back to the offseason, I'm sure you won't find a post where I did NOT say lets go get wallace. But circumstances change and Wallace is the last thing we need now, especially if we are going to overpay for him.


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    Re: Mike Wallace Benched?

    Quote Originally Posted by sosa39rams View Post
    Hey Nick wouldn't ya know? Big Ben returns to the team and Mike Wallace goes off for 120 yards and 2 TD's.... WOW! What a surprise....


    ....welp.

    The guys a #1. Thats all there is to it.
    It was 27-3 with 2:35 left in the 3rd before Wallace made a play. Looks like the game was over when he became the beast. He padded his numbers late was a non factor in the game.

    Mike Wallace caught seven passes for 112 yards and two touchdowns in the Steelers' Week 14 loss to the Chargers.
    Wallace is officially out of coach Mike Tomlin's doghouse. The very first play of the game was a quick screen to Wallace and the targets piled up from there. He did have a trademark drop on a beautifully thrown bomb from a healthy Ben Roethlisberger, but redeemed himself later (much later when the game was out of reach) with a 40-yard score. Wallace's second touchdown came as Big Ben pumped three times to allow his No. 1 wideout to work open in the middle of the end zone from 11 yards out. With Emmanuel Sanders nursing a shoulder issue and fading into the background, we can certainly trust 60 Minutes as a WR3 with serious upside against the Cowboys in Week 15. He led the team with 11 targets Sunday. Dec 9 - 5:14 PM


    DX however looked more like a beast to me.

    Watch San Diego Chargers vs. Pittsburgh Steelers [12/09/2012] - NFL.com
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    Re: Mike Wallace Benched?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rambos View Post
    It was 27-3 with 2:35 left in the 3rd before Wallace made a play. Looks like the game was over when he became the beast. He padded his numbers late was a non factor in the game.





    DX however looked more like a beast to me.

    Watch San Diego Chargers vs. Pittsburgh Steelers [12/09/2012] - NFL.com
    Thank you. Glad someone put the end to mike wallaces great game today. Was watching the game and chargers D was pretty relax when wallace started going "beast mode"


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    Re: Mike Wallace Benched?

    One game does not make Mike Wallace "overrated", just like one game doesn't make Brandon Gibson an all-Pro. At this time next year, the Rams are going to end up overpaying someone; whether it's the often injured Amendola, the immature Wallace, or the questionable work ethic of Bowe. In a perfect world, Amendola resigns with the Rams on a reasonable contract with performance-based incentives and dominates in the slot (maybe), Wallace or Bowe signs to be our #1 wideout on a fair market value contract (unlikely), and Givens realizes his potential and becomes our homerun threat. Who knows... it could happen right?

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    Re: Mike Wallace blames losing focus for low production

    I'm all for anything that brings down the dollars in a contract year
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    Re: Mike Wallace Benched?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie25 View Post
    One game does not make Mike Wallace "overrated", just like one game doesn't make Brandon Gibson an all-Pro. At this time next year, the Rams are going to end up overpaying someone; whether it's the often injured Amendola, the immature Wallace, or the questionable work ethic of Bowe. In a perfect world, Amendola resigns with the Rams on a reasonable contract with performance-based incentives and dominates in the slot (maybe), Wallace or Bowe signs to be our #1 wideout on a fair market value contract (unlikely), and Givens realizes his potential and becomes our homerun threat. Who knows... it could happen right?
    Don't see anywhere in my 3 posts where I said mike wallace is 'overrated'


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    Mike Wallace

    Here is an article written about Mike Wallace last summer by Bill Barnwell of Grantland. I feel it is very relevant to all the recent wide receiver discussion and by posting this I don't have to plagiarize his opinions in various threads about free agent receivers.


    NFL free agency is all about value. Anyone in the NFL can spend money, but good organizations succeed in the marketplace by identifying players who will produce more value than their contractual demands suggest; in other words, guys who are better than everybody else realizes. That might evoke images of teams signing guys for pennies on the dollar before they turn into stars, but teams don't necessarily have to be cheapskates to find value. The Saints shelled out a huge contract to Drew Brees in 2005, but they obviously got their $60 million worth over the course of the ensuing six seasons. A good general manager plows into free agency and finds players that fit his team's holes before signing them at a market price below their "true" value.
    The job of an agent is diametrically opposed to that of a general manager. The agents' job, of course, is to make the players they represent look as valuable as possible. That doesn't necessarily mean wildly distorting a player's abilities — nobody's going to buy that Marion Barber is worth $40 million — but it does involve creating the best possible context for their player. A good agent not only creates demand, he creates doubt in the heads of general managers by convincing them that the player they're trying to sign is worth more than the GM's valuation.
    As part of our preview of this year's free agency period, we're going to approach the market from an agent's perspective. You may be familiar with the "books" that baseball mega-agent Scott Boras prepares for his top free agents, binders with page after page of arguments detailing why Alex Rodriguez or Prince Fielder deserves a $200 million contract. Football agents, as you might expect, prepare similar sorts of packets for their players.
    Well, all this week, we're going to step into the shoes of those agents. We don't have the time, staff, or obvious financial motivations of someone like Boras to prepare a 72-page document for a player, but we're going to prepare abbreviated "books" for five of the NFL's most interesting restricted and unrestricted free agents. While we often use statistics to try to get accurate gauges of a player's value or performance, that's not going to be our goal here. Instead, these books will attempt to make each player look as valuable as possible, even if we don't truly believe that the player is actually worth as much as the books suggest.
    Today, we start with explosive Steelers wideout Mike Wallace. See? We've already started talking these guys up. We're basically agents already. And where did these six cell phones come from?
    The Book on Mike Wallace

    At 25, Mike Wallace is the most promising young receiver in all of football. He's accomplished more during his first three years in the league than any other wide receiver in recent memory, despite unfavorable conditions, regular absences from his starting quarterback, and the presence of two of the league's most decorated wide receivers ahead of him on the depth chart when he entered the league. Any team lucky enough to have Mike Wallace on its roster can expect to have the best wideout in football in its uniform for the next several seasons.
    An Auspicious Debut
    No active receiver has put together a more impressive résumé during his first three seasons as a pro than has Mike Wallace. If you compare what Wallace has done during that time to every other active wideout over the first three years of their respective careers, Wallace's statistical record is staggering. Consider:
    • Among active wideouts, Wallace's 3,206 receiving yards are the second-most accrued during a player's first three seasons, behind only Anquan Boldin.
    • Among receivers with a total of 60 receptions or more during their first three seasons, Wallace has averaged more yards per catch.
    • He's scored 24 touchdowns in his first three seasons, more than any other receiver in football besides Braylon Edwards.
    Wallace's performance during his first three seasons compares favorably to stars like Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, and Roddy White over the first three years in their respective careers. The table below lists the three-year totals for Wallace, those receivers, and other notable players, ranked by receiving yards:
    RECEIVERS OF NOTE

    Rank Player Team Rec Yds Yds/Rec TD
    1 Anquan Boldin ARI 259 3402 13.1 16
    2 Mike Wallace PIT 171 3206 18.8 24
    3 Larry Fitzgerald ARI 230 3135 13.6 24
    4 DeSean Jackson PHI 172 3135 18.2 17
    5 Calvin Johnson DET 193 3071 15.9 21
    6 Hakeem Nicks NYG 202 3034 15.0 24
    7 Marques Colston N.O. 215 3000 14.0 24
    8 Brandon Marshall DEN 226 2899 12.8 15
    9 Lee Evans BUF 178 2878 16.2 24
    10 Chad Ochocinco CIN 187 2850 15.2 16
    13 Andre Johnson HOU 208 2806 13.5 12
    21 Santonio Holmes PIT 156 2587 16.6 15
    31 Roddy White ATL 142 2154 15.2 9
    32 Steve Smith CAR 152 2136 14.1 10
    39 Reggie Wayne IND 144 1899 13.2 11
    42 Sidney Rice MIN 129 1849 14.3 16

    Only two receivers in the past 30 years have gained more receiving yards and scored more touchdowns during their first three years than Wallace, and they make for pretty good company: Randy Moss and Jerry Rice.
    Could He Be Better Elsewhere?
    In addition to his impressive performance, there are reasons to think that Wallace's statistics might understate his true level of performance. While Wallace has made it through every contest in his 48-game career without missing a game and has yet to be placed on the injury report with an ailment that classified him as "Questionable" or "Doubtful," that hasn't always been true of his quarterback. Ben Roethlisberger missed one game during the 2009 season and another during the 2011 season thanks to injury; beyond those absences, Roethlisberger was a dramatically limited player during two other 2011 games because of his high ankle sprain, and was suspended for the first four games of the 2010 season.
    Together, those injuries mean that Wallace has had to play just under 17 percent of his career with a backup quarterback under center. When Roethlisberger's been in the lineup and (relatively) healthy, Wallace has been a far better player. In fact, if we prorate each set of numbers to a 16-game season, Wallace has been about twice as good with Roethlisberger in the lineup as he has been when Roethlisberger's been injured and/or unable to play:
    THE BIG BEN FACTOR

    Status Games Rec Yds TD
    With healthy Roethlisberger 40 152 2836 22
    Without healthy Roethlisberger 8 19 370 2
    Prorated to 16 games
    With healthy Roethlisberger 16 61 1134 9
    Without healthy Roethlisberger 16 38 740 4

    Furthermore, if you take Wallace's statistics with a healthy Roethlisberger and prorate them to a full 48-game career, he would have 3,403 receiving yards and 26 touchdowns, which would give him more receiving yards and touchdowns than anybody selected in the draft during this millennium.
    During Wallace's tenure with the Steelers, he's also been part of a team that's played at a very slow pace. In fact, last year, Pittsburgh's offense only ran 165 possessions, the lowest total in football. Fewer possessions, of course, mean fewer chances to rack up totals. Compare that to the Jets, who had 198 possessions to work with over the course of their season; receivers on the Jets got 33 more possessions to work with, or nearly 20 percent of Pittsburgh's entire total. If you take Wallace's statistics from 2011 and adjust them for a 198-possession rate, he finishes with 1,431 receiving yards, improving his total from 11th in the league to fourth.
    In addition, while other players get to pad their statistics by making plays and picking up meaningless yardage in garbage time, Wallace has rarely enjoyed such a luxury during his time with the Steelers. Over his first three seasons, just 7 percent of Wallace's receptions have come while his team trailed by 14 or more points. The league average for receivers is just under 16 percent, and similarly skilled players on subpar teams get even higher; Larry Fitzgerald has accrued nearly 19 percent of his receptions in those scenarios. Wallace's production has come when it's mattered most to his team, to an extent that virtually no other player in football can match.
    If Wallace plays on a team with a healthier quarterback that moves the ball up and down the field at even a league-average pace, his performance will improve beyond his already impressive rates.
    Wallace vs. Holmes
    When Mike Wallace entered the league in 2009, he had little claim to regular playing time. The Steelers were coming off a win in Super Bowl XLIII, and their starting receivers were a pair of Super Bowl MVPs: Hines Ward and Santonio Holmes. Wallace was also behind Limas Sweed, whom the Steelers had chosen in the second round of the previous year's draft. Wallace quickly beat out Sweed for the third wideout job in training camp, and less than two years later, he was Pittsburgh's no. 1 receiver in the Super Bowl.
    In the process, the Steelers elected to trade Holmes to the New York Jets in a decision that was clearly motivated by aspects beyond football. Wallace, regarded as a model teammate and without any embarrassing off-field incidents on his résumé, took over and allowed the Steelers to proceed without missing a beat. In fact, since Holmes went to the Jets and signed a five-year, $45 million contract, Wallace has very clearly been the better player:
    WALLACE VS. HOLMES

    2010-2011 Games Receptions Yards TDs
    Holmes 28 103 1400 14
    Wallace 32 132 2450 18

    The disparity between their performances is obvious, but it stretches even further when you remember the difference in possessions between the two teams; even though Holmes missed four games of the 2010 campaign because of a suspension, he's still seen action on more drives than Wallace has over the past two years. And Wallace is also playing at this superior level of performance while he's two years younger than Holmes. Wallace has clearly been the superior player to last year's free agent catch, and he should only continue to get better over the next several seasons.
    Conclusion
    Very simply, the chance to acquire a 25-year-old receiver with this sort of electric skills and proven track record of production does not come around frequently, if ever. Imagine that your organization could have signed Jerry Rice or Randy Moss to a contract three years into their careers while merely sacrificing a first-round pick. On the rare occasions when players of this ilk become available, they usually have baggage of some nature attached and require far more than a first-round pick. There is no such baggage surrounding Wallace, and because of Pittsburgh's salary cap situation, the league has been presented with a chance to acquire him for a price far below his true market value.
    Mike Wallace isn't just a free agent. He's a once-in-a-generation opportunity.

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    Re: Mike Wallace Benched?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rambos View Post
    It was 27-3 with 2:35 left in the 3rd before Wallace made a play. Looks like the game was over when he became the beast. He padded his numbers late was a non factor in the game.





    DX however looked more like a beast to me.

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    Ahh yes, you're right. And what about the other 220 receptions, 3,834 yards, and 30 TD's in 3 years? Right...

    The thing is you think that Givens because of 1 or 2 good games will be just as good as Wallace. I just dont understand some people. Thats like me saying "Dont sign Dwayne Bowe, we got Brian Quick. Brian Quick is big like Bowe, therefore we should not waste money on Bowe".
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