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    Re: Official Pro Days Thread

    Dangit, i really didnt want Hopkins to move up any, would really love him to fall to the 2nd round.



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    Re: Official Pro Days Thread

    Update on Keenan Allen:

    NFL.com's Gil Brandt reports Cal WR Keenan Allen won't be participating in the school's pro day.

    Brandt adds that Allen will hold an individual workout on April 9, weeks before the draft. The receiver is still recovering from his PCL injury and is largely considered as one of the top prospects, if not the top, at his position. He could be a first-round selection if he works out well at his pro day.
    This could be a case of a guy who is does not have blazing speed who just wants to make sure he's 100% before he's timed, or it could be a lingering issue.

    Right now, he's high on my draft board, but his name is written in pencil.

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    Re: Official Pro Days Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    There are reports already of prospects improving on their Combine 40 times. For example, Montee Ball has reportedly improved from a 4.66 to a 4.57. Jonathan Banks has reportedly gone from a 4.59 to a 4.52.

    I, for one, have a hard time trusting the Pro Day times. Unlike the Combine, where everyone runs indoors on the same surface, Pro Days can be held anywhere, resulting in wind or surface aided times.

    The bigger problem, of course, involves players who did not run at the Combine, and will only have Pro Day times (i.e. Keenan Allen, Eddy Lacy, Jonathan Cyprien). It could be difficult to compare these players to others at their position who ran in Indy.
    I tend to agree with you. I rarely adjust my personal rankings based on improvements in forty times at their pro day because, frankly, I expect them.

    It's really not that unusual, and as you said, there are a number of other factors that come in to play. It's not that uncommon to see guys knock a full tenth of a second off their Combine times, so I'm not sure it's worth getting all that excited about them.

    For guys who didn't run the forty at the Combine, it's worth considering just because there hasn't been any time for them, but I'm more interested in how the prospects looked during positional work.

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    Re: Official Pro Days Thread

    In case anyone was wondering about Ray Ray Armstrong...

    Ray-Ray Armstrong, who missed the 2012 season after being dismissed from Miami in July as the result of a number of missteps, returned to participate. Armstrong, who eventually earned his UM degree in sports administration, said he “could have handled” himself “a lot differently.”
    “It was frustrating for the first couple months,” the 6-4, 215-pound safety said, “but I kind of put that behind me and am working on the next step of my life.
    “I still have a lot of friends here. We have a tight bond. I feel it’s home still.”
    Armstrong’s best 40 time was 4.65. He had a 34.5-inch vertical leap and benched 225 pounds 18 times.
    “Football is what I do,” Armstrong said. “I wanted to show them how fluent I was in drills and that I run pretty good times. I’ve been working out a good three, four months preparing for this.”
    I'd consider him in the 6th or 7th round.

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    Re: Official Pro Days Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    In case anyone was wondering about Ray Ray Armstrong...



    I'd consider him in the 6th or 7th round.
    I'd definitely take a chance on him in the 7th. He'd make for one hard hitting Safety. I think if we could get a early round guy we could afford the shot on Armstrong. Reminds me a little bit of Kenny Phillips.


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    Re: Official Pro Days Thread

    Just watched 2 game tapes on Armstrong (unfortunately they were back in 2010). He looks solid. Big guy at 6'3, 215. Likes to hit, physical defender. I definitely see him as a guy that'll excel near the LOS. Maybe even a sub LB in dime or quarter packages.

    Definitely a guy I'd like to see in horns.


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    Re: Official Pro Days Thread

    DeAndre Hopkins - WR - Player

    Clemson WR DeAndre Hopkins ran a forty-yard dash of 4.52 at the Tigers' Pro Day.
    Though Hopkins' two "unofficial" times at the Combine were 4.50 and 4.50, he was given an "official" time of 4.57. So the Pro Day forty is an improvement. Per NFL Draft insider Tony Pauline, Hopkins' Pro Day receiving workout was described as "dazzling" by scouts on hand. With elite ball skills, Hopkins is drawing Roddy White comparisons and would be a great second-round pick.

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    Re: Official Pro Days Thread

    Pauline's site said that Hopkins did have two late drops in his workout, but that otherwise he was dazzling.

    It'll be interesting to see when he comes off the board. I think fans might be a bit higher on him than those who cover the sport, but we'll see where NFL GMs stand. If GMs side with the fans, it wouldn't surprise me to see Hopkins go @ 22, 23, 25, the Rams, Vikings, Seahawks, Texans, Patriots, or Ravens in the first. If GMs side with the reporters, Hopkins could be around into the second day.

    Going back to what I said about forty times at pro days, it's worth noting that while Hopkins improved on his official combine time by five hundredths of a second, another Clemson player, defensive end Malliciah Goodman, may have made a near two tenth of a second improvement. I've not read anything about his poor combine time being the result of a slip or what not, so yeah, have to take those pro day forty times with a grain of salt.

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    Re: Official Pro Days Thread

    Texas A&M Pro Day: Moore struggles with injury, Joeckel strong in drills
    By Dane Brugler | NFLDraftScout.com Senior Analyst
    March 8, 2013 3:17 pm ET

    COLLEGE STATION - Texas A&M defensive end Damontre Moore put together an uneven pro day performance Friday, hampered by a hamstring injury that limited his ability to rebound from a subpar showing at the Scouting Combine last month.

    Moore and the other prospects on-hand worked out for representatives from all 32 NFL teams, led by a contingent of five from the New York Jets, including head coach Rex Ryan.
    Oakland Raiders head coach Dennis Allen, a former Texas A&M Aggie himself, was also in attendance.

    Moore began the morning with 19 reps on the 225-pound bench press, which was an improvement from only 12 in Indianapolis. However he decided not to run the 40-yard dash due to the hamstring, resting with his 4.94-second result from the combine. Moore did look better in the 3-cone (7.05) and short shuttle (4.31) drills on Friday.

    Moore said he tweaked his hamstring at the combine and aggravated the injury while performing his 3-cone drill. Despite wincing in obvious pain, he also took part in the positional drills, working out with both the defensive linemen and linebackers.

    "I fought through it and put my best foot forward," Moore said. "I got my bench press up and ran decent times."

    Moore thought about not participating in the drills due to the hamstring injury, but wanted to perform for scouts.

    "For him, his evaluation will be off video and how he played," said Texas A&M head coach Kevin Sumlin. "He wouldn't be a projected first rounder if he didn't play like it."

    Offensive tackle Luke Joeckel, the top-rated prospect by NFLDraftScout.com and a possible target for the Kansas City Chiefs with the No. 1 overall pick, and wide receiver Ryan Swope decided to rest on their combine results, only participating in the positional drills Friday.

    Oakland Raiders offensive line coach Tony Sparano put Joeckel through a battery of blocking tests, while Swope caught passes from former Aggie quarterback Jerrod Johnson. Both performed well and kept their positive draft momentum pointing north.

    Joeckel has a formal workout with the Chiefs scheduled for March 22 in Kansas City and also spent time with the Oakland Raiders' staff Thursday night and Friday.

    Swope, who tied for the second-fastest 40 at the combine with a 4.34, said he wasn't surprised to post such a fast time.

    "My goal was to be fast and compete. I wanted to set the standard high," he said.

    Sumlin said he was impressed with the Aggies' all-time receiving leader and that his combine workout really helped his NFL standing.

    "His workout today probably helped him a little more," Sumlin said.

    TEXAS A&M Pro Day Notes:

    Running back Christine Michael decided to stand with his numbers from the combine, but did look outstanding during positional drills. He caught the ball well out of the backfield and looked explosive in his cuts.

    Michael also attempted to clear up a "misunderstanding" after reports surfaced that he missed multiple meetings with teams at the combine. However, he explained that he was extremely sick that week and it was more of a misunderstanding. Michael said he already apologized to the teams and has formal workouts scheduled with the Indianapolis Colts, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, New York Jets and Minnesota Vikings.

    Wide receiver Uzoma Nwachukwu, who didn't receive a combine invitation, helped himself in front of scouts with very good times across the board. He ran his 40-yard dash in the mid-4.4 range and added a 39.5-inch vertical and 10'10" broad jump. Nwachukwu also looked excellent in his routes and catching the ball away from his frame. He showed on Friday that he definitely has the physical talent to make it at the next level.

    Other Texas A&M prospects who performed well included Sean Porter, Steven Jenkins and Spencer Nealy. A pair of under-the-radar safeties also turned heads: Steven Campbell and Steven Terrell. Terrell had a 38.5-inch vertical while Campbell registered a 40.5-inch vertical and 11'5" broad jump, which both would have ranked him among the top two performers at the combine.

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    Re: Official Pro Days Thread

    My man crush is becoming severe with Christine Michael. No doubt in my mind that he'll be a superstar at the next level. Wow. Guy is a BEAST. Reminds me of Frank Gore/LaDainian Tomlinson.


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    Re: Official Pro Days Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by sosa39rams View Post
    My man crush is becoming severe with Christine Michael. No doubt in my mind that he'll be a superstar at the next level. Wow. Guy is a BEAST. Reminds me of Frank Gore/LaDainian Tomlinson.
    Then I assume your next mock will have him in the top 10. Top 5 even?
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    Then I assume your next mock will have him in the top 10. Top 5 even?
    Nope. Unfortunately due to injury concerns, as well as attitude and coach-ability concerns, he's going to slip. I've seen anywhere from round 2-5.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sosa39rams View Post
    Nope. Unfortunately due to injury concerns, as well as attitude and coach-ability concerns, he's going to slip. I've seen anywhere from round 2-5.
    But why would you drop him if there's no doubt in your mind that he will be a superstar at the next level?
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    Re: Official Pro Days Thread

    Gil Brandt is reporting that Keenan Allen will see Dr. Andrews Monday in a scheduled follow-up to make sure his knee is ready for his April pro day. I'm excited to read about Allen's workout. I feel like he's kind of the forgotten man among wide receivers because he's been shelved, but I like his potential for the next level and I think, if healthy, he'd be an excellent fit across from Givens.

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    Re: Official Pro Days Thread

    FIU steals show in South Florida
    Alex Marvez
    Updated Mar 7, 2013 7:38 PM ET

    MIAMI

    The first South Florida college player projected to get chosen in April’s NFL Draft doesn’t come from the University of Miami but Florida International University.

    And new Golden Panthers head coach Ron Turner hopes to keep it that way for years to come.

    Turner watched from the stands at FIU Stadium as safety Jonathan Cyprien conducted his Pro Day workout Thursday before scouts representing all 32 NFL teams. One of them told FOXSports.com that Cyprien, who ran the 40-yard dash in under 4.6 seconds, was a likely mid-round pick. Some media mock drafts have Cyprien being chosen as early as the second round following a strong January showing at the Senior Bowl.

    No prospects from the University of Miami program — a one-time national powerhouse that has fallen on tough times — were generating that type of draft buzz earlier in the day when the Hurricanes conducted their Pro Day workout cross-town in Coral Gables.

    “I know the (NFL) guys love him,” Turner told FOXSports.com about Cyprien. “Everyone I’ve talked to feels really good about him and I can see why. He’s a really good player.”

    Turner will be working with a large crop of new players in his first season replacing Mario Cristobal as FIU’s head coach. Cyprien and defensive end/outside linebacker Tourek Williams, who is projected as a late-round pick, are among nine defensive starters from last year’s squad who are departing. The entire offensive line and all of FIU’s specialists are gone as well.

    While he says recruiting went “pretty well,” Turner’s hiring in early January forced him to start late when it came to wooing high school seniors. Turner, though, said the cupboard isn’t completely bare on a team that went 3-9 in 2012. Leading the way is senior quarterback Jake Medlock.

    “I like what I see on film,” Turner said. “I think he fits what we want to do offensively. He has the skill set to get the ball downfield and throw in a pro-style passing game.”

    Turner spent 12 years as an NFL assistant, including last season as Tampa Bay’s quarterbacks coach. While he could have remained with the Bucs working with Josh Freeman, Turner said he “always knew in the back of my mind that I probably wanted to be a head coach in college again” after holding that position at the University of Illinois from 1997 to 2004.

    “I wanted to do it in a situation where I had a chance to win,” said Turner, the brother of Cleveland Browns offensive coordinator Norv Turner. “After looking into it with the talent base here in South Florida, I said, ‘This is an up-and-coming program moving into Conference USA.’

    “I’ve never lived in South Florida before so I’m enjoying that part of it, especially when I see the weather in the Midwest.”

    More sunny skies will be ahead if Turner can develop NFL talent like FIU products T.Y. Hilton (Indianapolis), Antwan Barnes (San Diego) and Anthony Gaitor (Tampa Bay).

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