PossumMock 3.0

[PossumBoy9]

3-31-08

The "Big Board'
1. Darren McFadden
2. Vernon Gholston
3. Chris Long
4. Glenn Dorsey
5. Jake Long
6. Sedrick Ellis
7. Rashard Mendenhall
8. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
9. Derrick Harvey
10. Ryan Clady

***indicates underclassman

1. Miami- Chris Long DE/OLB Virginia
2. St. Louis- Vernon Gholston DE/OLB Ohio State***
3. Atlanta- Jake Long OT Michigan
4. Oakland- Darren McFadden RB Arkansas***
5. Kansas City- Glenn Dorsey DT Louisiana State
6. NY Jets- Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinois***
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New England trades pick #7 to Carolina for picks #13 & 43
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7. Carolina(f/SF via NE)- Matt Ryan QB Boston College
8. Baltimore- Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB Tennessee State
9. Cincinnati- Derrick Harvey DE/OLB Florida***
10. New Orleans- Sedrick Ellis DT Southern California
11. Buffalo- Keith Rivers LB Southern California
12. Denver- Ryan Clady OT Boise State***
13. New England(f/CAR)- Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt
14. Chicago- Jeff Otah OT Pittsburgh
15. Detroit- Mike Jenkins CB South Florida
16. Arizona- Leodis McKelvin CB Troy
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Minnesota trades picks #17 & 113 to Tampa Bay for picks #20 & 83
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17. Tampa Bay(f/MIN)- Branden Albert OL Virginia***
18. Houston- Kenny Phillips S Miami(Florida)***
19. Philadelphia- Devin Thomas WR Michigan State***
20. Minnesota(f/TB)- Brian Brohm QB Louisville
21. Washington- DeSean Jackson WR California***
22. Dallas(f/CLE)- Aqib Talib CB Kansas***
23. Pittsburgh- James Hardy WR Indiana***
24. Tennessee- Jerod Mayo LB Tennessee***
25. Seattle- Jonathan Stewart RB Oregon***
26. Jacksonville- Philip Merling DE Clemson***
27. San Diego- Kentwan Balmer DL North Carolina
28. Dallas- Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma***
29. San Francisco(f/IND)- Quentin Groves DE/OLB Auburn
30. Green Bay- Antoine Cason CB Arizona
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New England forfeits pick #31 for cheating
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NY Giants trade pick #31 to Chicago for picks #44 & 75
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31. Chicago(f/NYG)- Joe Flacco QB Delaware

Here's a bonus two picks for my Rams brothers and sisters:

32. Miami- Curtis Lofton LB Oklahoma***
33. St. Louis- Pat Sims DT Auburn***

[ramsplaya16]

although i dont agree with either draftpicks, the mock was put together very well.

IMO: the order should be chris long( i know he was gone), Dorsey, jake long, then gholston as a last resort, mainly becuase im tired of hearing of his potential and he shot up the boards because of workouts.

If we dont go OT in the first, and Cherilus (sp?) is there in the 2nd and groves isnt there, we should take him before sims, although this is just my opinion

[PossumBoy9]

then gholston as a last resort, mainly becuase im tired of hearing of his potential and he shot up the boards because of workouts.

I'll maintain the "shooting up the board because of workouts" hasn't happened.

I've had him pretty high for a long time, myself. He is a player, not a workout warrior.

In a predictive mock, I do know the Rams pretty much always draft for need. A true pass-rush from the RDE spot is a critical "need".

[ramsplaya16]

Gholston is mainly a potential player, he's a risk to take, so why take a risk when you can have a safer pick with someone else.

Of course noone is garunteed to have a good career, so you can label them all risks, but gholston is a bigger risk than both longs or dorsey.

Correct me if im wrong, but didn't he get a majority of his sacks in like 2 or 3 games last season? Im not sure but I thought he did....

Either way I won't be too dissapointed if we took him, but would much rather have one of the safer bets.

also, to add to my other post, so your telling me that a 260+ pound DE that registered a 4.5 40 time didnt help his stock, also 37 bench press reps? sounds like a workout warrior to me

[Bar-bq]

gholston is a bigger risk than both longs or dorsey.

because? As you say every player has a risk factor to them, but to be fair, Gholston had the same amount of sacks as Chris Long, more than double Dorsey's, and is one of two players ever to record a sack against fellow "safe" candidate Jake Long.

sounds like a workout warrior to me

But the point is he's not solely that. His stock is a result of excellent play on field. He was already considered a potential pick at number 2 (Nick had him at number one overall in an earlier mock draft) before the combine solidified his status as not only a productive collegiate athlete, but a physical beast as well. That's what the combine's for. To confirm things we already knew aginst those things we didn't. My point is, just because he was physically successful at the combine doesn't mean he's an instantaneous risk for that reason.

[ramsplaya16]

i say hes a bigger risk than chris long because Gholston has a tendancy to dissapear at times, there was 6 games that he didnt register a sack. 6 games out of 13, in 4 of the games that he did register a sack, he had more than one 4,3, 2 and 2. so it seems he is kind of a streaky player.

you cant really complare hom to dorsey sack-wise because they play two different positions. and jake long allowed 2 sacks, i mean seriously, 2 sacks, thats good!

i apologize that if i inferred that soley due that he did well in workouts that he wouldent be good on the field, what i meant to say was that over the years we have seen many of these insanely strong physical players who seem better than they are because of their numbers, i understand he had 14 sacks last year but im just not sold on him, and i think the reason im not sold on him is because alot of people are sold on his pontential, which frankly, im tired of hearing about. i want a player that can come in and contirbute right away.

[Bar-bq]

i apologize

For what? For having an opinion? Don't apologise for that. Voice it! That's what these boards are for.

i think the reason im not sold on him is because alot of people are sold on his pontential...i want a player that can come in and contirbute right away.

But isn't that what any draft prosect is, at this stage of their NFL career? Potential? There is no player to be guaranteed success. All players purport to play a certain way in the NFL, and it's up to teams and scouts and we fans to scrutinise and determine just how effective they project to be at doing what they purport to do. There's no player who's guaranteed to come in and contribute right away. What people see in first round prospects is how they project to do just that. Do you see what I'm trying to draw destinction between?

And as such, we see that many scouts/fans/teams/whoever recognise that Gholston, Long etc, are in among the top 4 or five players who purport to realise their potential in the NFL. And I daresay the reason you hear so much about Gholston's potential is because, according to everything either of us have read, he projects to be the type of NFL player than can reach and surpass it.

Hey, Possumboy, you really think a round 2 DT is the go? I think the time is right, there, to address another position. Perhaps OT, perhaps, WR.

[txramsfan]

Nicely done but I have to say if Limas Sweed is available to Tennessee at their pick, they snag him. They don't wait the ten minutes.

[ramsplaya16]

For what? For having an opinion? Don't apologise for that. Voice it! That's what these boards are for.



But isn't that what any draft prosect is, at this stage of their NFL career? Potential? There is no player to be guaranteed success. All players purport to play a certain way in the NFL, and it's up to teams and scouts and we fans to scrutinise and determine just how effective they project to be at doing what they purport to do. There's no player who's guaranteed to come in and contribute right away. What people see in first round prospects is how they project to do just that. Do you see what I'm trying to draw destinction between?

And as such, we see that many scouts/fans/teams/whoever recognise that Gholston, Long etc, are in among the top 4 or five players who purport to realise their potential in the NFL. And I daresay the reason you hear so much about Gholston's potential is because, according to everything either of us have read, he projects to be the type of NFL player than can reach and surpass it.

Hey, Possumboy, you really think a round 2 DT is the go? I think the time is right, there, to address another position. Perhaps OT, perhaps, WR.

yeah i understand where your coming from, when i was talking about his potential though i was talking about how some believe he has a higher roof to improve, where i dont exactly buy that. like i said before, he had 11 of his sacks in a 4 game spand, to me that really doesnt cut it, because of how he was neutralized in the other games, i dunno man maybe its just me, but i dont buy in on him.

[PossumBoy9]

Gholston is mainly a potential player, he's a risk to take, so why take a risk when you can have a safer pick with someone else.

He's a "potential" player that already proven he's a better pass-rusher than Chris Long.

Who's safer? Honestly?

also, to add to my other post, so your telling me that a 260+ pound DE that registered a 4.5 40 time didnt help his stock, also 37 bench press reps? sounds like a workout warrior to me

A "workout warrior" is a guy who didn't produce on the field, but tests well athletically.

Anybody that ever called Vernon Gholston a "workout warrior" doesn't know what they're talking about. He's certainly shown that he can play football.

His choice is kind of a no-brainer, IMO.

Hey, Possumboy, you really think a round 2 DT is the go? I think the time is right, there, to address another position. Perhaps OT, perhaps, WR.

Sims was the BPA, IMO.

I'll say this, if it's possible that Glenn Dorsey can go #2 overall to the Rams, it'd be insane to think Pat Sims couldn't go #33 to them.

There were times this past season where he looked more dominant that either Dorsey or Sedrick Ellis.

On a side note, my mocks are generally predictive and not based on what I'd do. I would make the Sims pick there, though.

Nicely done but I have to say if Limas Sweed is available to Tennessee at their pick, they snag him. They don't wait the ten minutes.

You could certainly be right, and he was considered there specifically.

[ramsplaya16]

He's a "potential" player that already proven he's a better pass-rusher than Chris Long.

Who's safer? Honestly?

so hes a better pass rusher than chris long, yet they had the same amount of sacks? and chris long is better against the run, where as gholston seems more one dimensional.

you can ask gholston if hes a workout warrior and he'll tell you he is. i know he has produced but it came in bunches!!! he dissappeard in many games and i dont want a player like that.

[PossumBoy9]

so hes a better pass rusher than chris long, yet they had the same amount of sacks? and chris long is better against the run, where as gholston seems more one dimensional.

Gholston has more sacks in his college career as a junior leaving early than Chris Long does as a senior.

There is probably no debate in the pass-rush category.

Gholston brings the element that the Rams need first and FOREMOST. That element is also what you pay big money for.

you can ask gholston if hes a workout warrior and he'll tell you he is. i know he has produced but it came in bunches!!! he dissappeard in many games and i dont want a player like that.

The words "workout warrior" certainly have a diffrent context this time of year. Gholston's draft stock has everything to do with his ability on the field, though, not what he did at the Combine.

[AvengerRam]

Fine with the Dorsey pick.

Don't like the Sims selection... at all.

[ramsplaya16]

Gholston has more sacks in his college career as a junior leaving early than Chris Long does as a senior.

There is probably no debate in the pass-rush category.

Gholston brings the element that the Rams need first and FOREMOST. That element is also what you pay big money for.



The words "workout warrior" certainly have a diffrent context this time of year. Gholston's draft stock has everything to do with his ability on the field, though, not what he did at the Combine.

chris long played in a 3-4 for his first 3 years so you cant really compare them like that, the only way you can compare them is when they both played in the same scheme, which was last year. if you want a one dimentional player, you can pick one up later in the draft, so why pay money for a player that doesnt defend the run as well, when you can pick up that same kind of player in another round.

[PossumBoy9]

Fine with the Dorsey pick.

Don't like the Sims selection... at all.

I didn't pick Dorsey for the Rams. Did you mean Gholston?

Who would you picked instead of Sims? Hopefully, not a lesser player that fits a "need".