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    Rams Name Used In Vilma Rumors!

    The Jets have given ILB Jonathan Vilma permission to shop himself for a potential trade.
    Vilma is coming off knee surgery, but was a Pro Bowl alternate his second season, and just doesn't fit well into Eric Mangini's 3-4 defense. He'll seek a long-term deal with a team that would then have to work out a trade with the Jets. Reuniting with former Jets defensive coordinator Donnie Henderson in Jacksonville is a possibility. There has also been talk in St. Louis of the Rams sending the No. 2 overall pick to the Jets for the No. 6 pick and Vilma, though that seems unlikely.

    I WOULD LOVE THIS!!!

    Getting Vilma and the #6 Overall for the #2 would be a DREAM deal.


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    Re: Rams Name Used In Vilma Rumors!

    Wow. Do you have a link to the source?

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    Re: Rams Name Used In Vilma Rumors!

    I would not make that deal.

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    Re: Rams Name Used In Vilma Rumors!

    Why??

    We move Witherspoon back to his natural OLB position. Put Vilma at MLB. And still have a top 10 pick, are you kidding me! We would have the best LB's in the league.

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    Re: Rams Name Used In Vilma Rumors!

    I'd pass. If Vilma doesn't fit Mangini's scheme, what makes us think he would fit Haslett's?
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    Re: Rams Name Used In Vilma Rumors!

    Quote Originally Posted by THOLTFAN81 View Post
    Why??

    We move Witherspoon back to his natural OLB position. Put Vilma at MLB. And still have a top 10 pick, are you kidding me! We would have the best LB's in the league.
    We'd be paying significant $ for a player who is coming off a knee injury at a position which is not one of our top needs.

    In exchange, we could lose the chance to get an elite player.

    No thanks.

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    Re: Rams Name Used In Vilma Rumors!

    Quote Originally Posted by HUbison View Post
    I'd pass. If Vilma doesn't fit Mangini's scheme, what makes us think he would fit Haslett's?
    ....Haslett doesn't run Mangini's scheme. Mangini runs a 3-4, and Vilma is a much better 4-3 MLB. Which is why he was so good before they made the switch with Mangini. I'm not sure I'd trade down if Chris Long was available, but it would give us an ideal 4-3 MLB, and I guess move Witherspoon. However, idk if moving witherspoon now would be a great idea either. But then we could draft Gholston at 6.

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    Re: Rams Name Used In Vilma Rumors!

    I wouldn't trade four spots down in top ten for him. Not directly after knee surgery, unless we KNEW that he could resume his old form... but look at our injury problems already, I'm not up for taking on another hospital case.

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    Re: Rams Name Used In Vilma Rumors!

    Quote Originally Posted by edge_V View Post
    ....Haslett doesn't run Mangini's scheme.
    It's more similar than you think. On passing downs, we saw a lot more 3-4 this year. As well, Haslett's MLB is not the typical 4-3 MLB. Look at what Spoon does in this defense, that is not the role of a typical MIKE, like what Vilma had before Henderson left town.
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    Re: Rams Name Used In Vilma Rumors!

    Well yea, i know we ran some 3-4 last year, but i thought it was due to our lack of pass rush or something like that. I'm just saying, the base defense isn't the same. I like Witherspoon at MLB, i was just thinkin out loud about what would happen. And back to my other point about drafting gholston at 6...After the combine, he might not be available at 6. So, forget i said that.

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    Re: Rams Name Used In Vilma Rumors!

    I would trade Pisa for Vilma straight up. Get rid of one good often injured LB for another good often injured LB.
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    Re: Rams Name Used In Vilma Rumors!

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    We'd be paying significant $ for a player who is coming off a knee injury at a position which is not one of our top needs.

    In exchange, we could lose the chance to get an elite player.

    No thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by HUbison
    It's more similar than you think. On passing downs, we saw a lot more 3-4 this year. As well, Haslett's MLB is not the typical 4-3 MLB. Look at what Spoon does in this defense, that is not the role of a typical MIKE, like what Vilma had before Henderson left town.
    Yes, we'd pay good money to him, but he's a young, pro-bowl quality player who is actually big enough to play MLB. Also, we wouldn't be paying nearly as much for our first rounder as we would with the #2 pick, so it would offset a little.

    If memory serves me correctly, we're in need of a starting LB, and as such, Vilma does fill a need position. Vilma takes over MLB, Spoon plays the Sam, which is more of a blitzing LB anyway, which answers HUbison's concern, as Vilma can play the more traditional Mike. Pisa plays the Will, but doesn't play on nickel downs to keep him from getting hurt.

    Now, for the concern that we won't get an elite player. I guarantee that we'll get one of the top players on our board. The elite players are: McFadden, Dorsey, Ryan, Long, Long and Ellis. Either the Phins or Falcons will pick up Matt Ryan. Someone will pick up Chris Long. KC will take Jake Long. Someone will take McFadden, and if not, Jerry Jones might think 6 is a good place to get him so we could get a bunch of picks from him there. So, what do we have? One more guy picked from Dorsey and Ellis, and now we bring up Vernon Gholston. I very much like Gholston, but not at pick 2. At pick 6 I love him. So at the Jets pick at 6, we have our choice of two of Ellis, Dorsey and Gholston, or one of them and McFadden and maybe a second trade down.

    So, we'll get an elite player for cheaper and get a true MLB. I love this trade, provided of course, his knee is fine, but I was hearing rumors of Vilma being traded last year so I doubt it's because of his knee.

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    Re: Rams Name Used In Vilma Rumors!

    Quote Originally Posted by TekeRam View Post
    Yes, we'd pay good money to him, but he's a young, pro-bowl quality player who is actually big enough to play MLB. Also, we wouldn't be paying nearly as much for our first rounder as we would with the #2 pick, so it would offset a little.

    If memory serves me correctly, we're in need of a starting LB, and as such, Vilma does fill a need position. Vilma takes over MLB, Spoon plays the Sam, which is more of a blitzing LB anyway, which answers HUbison's concern, as Vilma can play the more traditional Mike. Pisa plays the Will, but doesn't play on nickel downs to keep him from getting hurt.

    Now, for the concern that we won't get an elite player. I guarantee that we'll get one of the top players on our board. The elite players are: McFadden, Dorsey, Ryan, Long, Long and Ellis. Either the Phins or Falcons will pick up Matt Ryan. Someone will pick up Chris Long. KC will take Jake Long. Someone will take McFadden, and if not, Jerry Jones might think 6 is a good place to get him so we could get a bunch of picks from him there. So, what do we have? One more guy picked from Dorsey and Ellis, and now we bring up Vernon Gholston. I very much like Gholston, but not at pick 2. At pick 6 I love him. So at the Jets pick at 6, we have our choice of two of Ellis, Dorsey and Gholston, or one of them and McFadden and maybe a second trade down.

    So, we'll get an elite player for cheaper and get a true MLB. I love this trade, provided of course, his knee is fine, but I was hearing rumors of Vilma being traded last year so I doubt it's because of his knee.
    1. Why would we give up Chris Long a DE our biggest need to get a LB which is no where near our biggest need.

    2. Spoon has had way better years in the middle than he has had on the outside. You said a ILB that is big enough to play the middle. Spoon weighs 10 pounds more than Vilma. The idea of Spoon the Strong side is crazy

    3. Third even though your not paying as much for the second pick you are making up the difference by signing Vilma to a big contract.

    4. Vilma is coming of a bigtime injury and hasn't played 4-3 in a while what says he can come back in the 4-3 and play as well as he did before.

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    Re: Rams Name Used In Vilma Rumors!

    Here's the actual article rather than just the Rotoworld write-up...

    Jonathan Vilma can fly away
    BY RICH CIMINI
    DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
    Friday, February 22nd 2008, 4:00 AM

    Jonathan Vilma's days with the Jets are numbered.

    The popular linebacker, whose star has dimmed in two seasons under Eric Mangini, has received permission from the Jets to shop himself for a potential trade, the Daily News has learned. It doesn't mean a trade is a certainty, but it's a tacit acknowledgement from both sides that Vilma and Mangini's 3-4 scheme aren't a match.

    Vilma, with one year remaining on his rookie contract, also is looking for a long-term deal. Now, with the Jets' blessing, he has the ability to speak with any team. If he agrees to a new contract, it will be up to that team and the Jets to negotiate trade compensation. The Jets could keep him, but they know they won't receive anything next year if he bolts as a free agent. A team spokeman declined comment.

    It's unclear what the Jets are seeking, but there's no doubt that Vilma's value took a hit because of major knee surgery last November. Vilma has started jogging and hopes to be running full speed in about a month, he wrote this week on his Web site. If he can show he's healthy before the April 26 draft, it will greatly enhance his stock. Sources believe the Jets could get a third-round pick, perhaps slightly higher, for a healthy Vilma.

    The Jaguars and Saints are believed to be among the potential suitors. The Saints have made no secret of their desire to acquire a middle linebacker, as they've already made an offer to former Dolphin Zach Thomas. Former Jets defensive coordinator Donnie Henderson was recently hired by the Jaguars as an assistant, which explains their interest.

    Under Henderson, who ran a 4-3 defense, Vilma was named the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year in 2004. In 2005, he made the Pro Bowl as an alternate, looking like one of the Jets' best first-round picks in years.

    When Mangini arrived in 2006 and switched to a 3-4, Vilma's production suffered. Hiding his frustration, at least publicly, he vowed to adapt his sideline-to-sideline style into the more restrictive 3-4 scheme. But he got off to a slow start and suffered a mysterious knee injury in the seventh game, sidelining him for the remainder of the season.

    Neither Vilma nor the club explained the nature of the injury, but it was related to a pre-existing condition that required complicated surgery. In the meantime, rookie David Harris flourished in Vilma's role as the defensive signal-caller. In fact, the overall defense improved with Harris in the lineup on a full-time basis.

    Mangini was vague yesterday when discussing Vilma at the scouting combine in Indianapolis. He said Vilma is "making some good progress" in his rehab, but when asked if he still considers Vilma a starter, Mangini replied, "It's one of those things where you're going to have to evaluate it as we go and hope everything works out. But Jon's a good player. He's a smart player. He's been very productive for us and he's incredibly competitive."

    Vilma's agent, Mitch Frankel, was traveling to the combine and couldn't be reached for comment. Vilma, on his Web site, said he hasn't heard anything from the club with regard to his future.
    Vilma was playing near Pro Bowl levels when he was healthy and in a scheme that suited him. But his injury last year is concerning, especially since he still has a ways to go. What's even more concerning is that there appears to be an abnormality in his knee - one the Jets knew about since drafting him - that could have contributed to this year's injury. With that in mind, you really have to be concerned about his long term potential.

    Trading from the second overall pick down to the sixth overall pick does not seem like the best value for Vilma alone - I think that puts too high a value on a guy coming off of an injured year who wants big money from a new team. The article says that Vilma could be had for a third round pick if not higher. I would imagine it would have to be higher because I think there are a number of teams out there that would be willing to part with a third rounder for him.

    So then you have to ask yourself, do you really want to get into a bidding war with other teams desperate for MLB help (Detroit, New Orleans, Atlanta, etc) when we really already have a MLB we like? I'm just not sure I see it happening. We have other areas we need to address, and I'd rather spend that money signing guys like Steven Jackson or OJ Atogwe to long-term deals than Vilma.

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