As I said in the Eddie Lacy thread, I don't think Patterson ranks that high with Jeff and Les. He will be a great WR for some team, I just don't think he's the best option for us right now. We need a pro-ready WR and Austin is likely to fill that role or K. Allen, injury aside. Patterson is a JUCO transfer with 1 year top level collegiate experience. I would even prefer Justin Hunter based on experience right now. Also Austin comes from a winning program and a good coach, that has to count for something.
I think Austin fits the bill for us better, but I wouldn't be disappointed with Patterson.
I just don't see any way this guy gets out of round one. Just look at Stephen Hill last year, and how much better Patterson is.
Ok, first off, jut to side track a bit to the Austin size thing... imagine that you're in a head on car wreck with Navarro Bowman, who happens to drive a Hummer H1. Now, Corradelle Peterson, he drives a nice, peppy Dodge Charger. Tavon Austin drives a supercharged Smart Car. Now, what guy would you rather be riding with? As Rambos said, it's not that one guy's physical health makes him less likely to be hurt than the other, it's just physics.
Now, onto Patterson. Givens had to play the Amendola role last year in a few games that he missed. Givens had a breakout game one of those times. I feel that he can slide inside and be a dangerous slot guy just as much as he was dangerous outside last year. That gives us flexability on the inside receivers along with Cook. We don't need a slot only guy, we need outside receivers. Peterson, Allen, Woods, Hunter, Patton... all these guys can play outside. These are whom we should target, and if Peterson is there at #16 and Cooper and Warmack are gone... Take Peterson.
I see the comparison of Quick to Patterson. I was also concerned about having to raw guys to develop. After looking at it a bit harder there is a difference.
Patterson is more of a playmaker then Quick. Patterson from day one IF he struggles to learn the playbook and run precise routes. He is still capable of being productive with his running ability. Because he has skill-sets that Quick does not possess, like Kick and Punt returner. The ability to take a hand-off or end around. Screen passes or bubble screens. Those are the type of plays that Quick is not going to be used where Patterson can be very effective.
Patterson had 25 carries for 208 yards and 3 TDs. He had 4 punt returns for 101 yards and I TD and a long of 81 yards. He had 24 KR for 671 yards, 1 TD and a long of 98 yards.
Then you add in his RECEIVING stats. 778 yards, 16.9 yards per and 5 TD's and a long of 58 yards.
He had 1079 yards and 5 TDs by doing something other then receiving.
He did that in the SEC not in a lower division, we know he can play with the big boys and be productive.
Patterson maybe raw as a receiver and it may take him some time to fully develop. But immediately he can be a very productive player by just getting the ball in his hands any way you can.
No knock on Quick I think he is going to make a lot of plays for us, he just does not have the playmaking skill-sets like Patterson does.
Rambos, I think the key with Patterson is that he provides a different kind of weapon than Quick, in that Quick is more like TO or Brandon Marshall in that he's a big prototypical size guy, but isn't the shiftiest of guys. Patterson gives us some of that speed that Givens and Austin have, but in the frame of an outside receiver. I'd be satisfied with running a 3WR offense with Quick and Patterson outside with Givens inside. Givens plays the Z, but I think that he could do really well in the slot, and where we have issues is knowing we have guys who can play outside.
I would prefer if the Ram's pick players in the first two rounds who can play now! Not next year.
I think we need to find out if Bradford is for real or not. Soon he will be up for new a contract. And I would hate to see him traded/not resigned based on a bad year in 2013. And then he becomes the second coming of Brady or Manning some place else with more talent around him.....
Therefore I think we must find him some help now. In my opinion we need to find at least one WR that can start now (maybe even two if Quick is not getting better) and ensure that the O-line is where it needs to be. I am also a little scared about our RB situation, but that might just be me missing SJ36 allready....
As I do not live in the US I have a hard time following the college games, but I really hope we go for somebody who is pro ready and not a development project. Who ever fits that bill is my first choice for our next WR pick.
I agree, he's a special runner with the ball in his hands.Quote:
Cordarrelle Patterson - WR - Player
NFL Films guru Greg Cosell believes Tennessee WR Cordarrelle Patterson has "open field instincts and movement" that cannot be taught, and that there are very few players Patterson's size with his kind of ability.
Patterson checks in at 6-foot-2, 216. There's been chatter than Patterson's raw route-running ability may knock him out of the first round, but Cosell doesn't expect it to "dramatically affect his draft status." Along with West Virginia's Tavon Austin, Cosell calls Patterson a player who made him say "wow" while watching tape. "Believe me," Cosell wrote. "That does not happen too often."
Source: Yahoo Sports
Apr 12 - 1:32 PM
After seeing his highlights, his playmaking ability is jawdropping. Seeing him break those tackles and fight for extra yards reminds me of a WR version of Steven Jackson. His ability to gain chunks of yardage with the endaround is just unbelievable. He's convinced me of of taking consideration with one of our first rounders.
Though Patterson is the larger man, who's to say that his threshold for pain is superior to Austin's? And who said being larger determines that?
Or who says that he has a superior ability to absorb a blow or better yet, avoid a blow.
There are an endless amount of variables that determine whether a player may be injured or not. So your simple laws of physics are not an exact science and therefore your theory is impossible to prove.
Being larger only gives you a little more cushion to absorb a blow, it doesn't necessarily give you a superior ability to absorb that blow and escape injury.
It may be that the smaller, quicker player avoids that hit altogether.
Besides that, I don't think anyone would argue that smaller targets are much more difficult to hit than larger ones.
So you're basic theory that Patterson, because he is larger, is less prone to injury is simply not true.
Finally, there is really only one fact that matters in this entire debate, and that is the fact that Tavon Austin](the actual subject in this discussion) has never missed so much as a practice in his football career due to injury.
If that doesn't convince you (at least about Tavon Austin), there's certainly no point in me wasting both of our time trying to convince you of something you obviously refuse to acknowledge.
P.S. I knew you would try to make this, "he hasn't played in the NFL yet" theme, but that would only mean something if I honestly believed you believed that players don't get injured in High School or College or without any kind of contact from an opposing player whatsoever.
NFL players don't get hurt as much against the lower levels of competition because they usually are more athletic and bigger than the non-NFL talent. And so, no, I'm not impressed with Austin's ability to shifty out of hits from 190 pound guys when he will see only a handful of them in the NFL. If he was that super-humanly shifty, he'd have averaged far more than just 11.5 yards per catch last year.