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    Re: Sam Bradford.

    Quote Originally Posted by theBrawlerFan View Post
    You are active on an online forum, but don't want to get started?

    I am a Rams fan from back in L.A. Long time fan. Die hard. I just worry about our pick. Is this not ok? I was under the impression this was a forum? Where we could talk? That's all I am trying to do.



    I am not calling him a bust. I am worried we passed on Suh, who I feel will be a bigger 'impact' player then Bradford. It's simply my opinion, and I thought I would share it in a forum, with othe Rams fans, to get their feedback.



    I really do appreciate you taking the time. You have some great points.

    I have some questions for you, and some answers for your questions. I just don't have time right this minute. Let me close up the shop, and then I can spend some time.

    Again, thank YOU for taking the time to inform me. I am far from 'know everything'. I am going off what I have learned.

    Like I said, I hope you are right, and I am wrong. Seriously. I was just bummed yesterday with our pick. I don't agree with it, but I also have never been called by any NFL team for my opinion!

    Thanks Bralidore. I'll be back later man!
    By the way, welcome to ClanRam.


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    Re: Sam Bradford.

    Ok, I'll try and go one by one...

    Bralidore(RAMMODE);343240]theBrawlerfan, just about everything you said is just not correct and/or not making much sense.
    I am sorry I do not make sense. I do ramble a lot.

    If I am incorrect, I am happy to be informed! That's why I am here.

    Since when is 66% completion rating (and 88 touchdwons in two years) a bad thing? Indeed I thought it was damn good.
    I may have worded that wrong. What I was saying, was he wasn't the most accurate QB in the draft. That is all. 66% is good. But Mccoy, someone not a lot of people give credit to, was 77%. I'm just saying. Maybe that point is moot. I understand.

    He played under center plenty of times and has practiced half his snaps at OU under center. Not to mention the offseason work he's going to get here.
    This is where we disagree. He did not play under center much (give me numbers to prove me wrong) Of course he did play under center. He did not take a shotgun snap every single play. I know this. But he is not a drop pack QB, at least during his college career. The drop steps are a very difficult part of football to master. Alex Smith came from similar offense, and had a real hard time with his footwork. He also looked great at the combine. Looked solid. With great steps. For some reason, he couldn't duplicate this during game time.

    We call this "sweat suit warriors". They are good at practice, but don't exceed at game time.

    Another concern - He never had to make pre-snap reads. This is fact. His offense did not allow it. He would look to the sideline for coach audibles. The coaches were responsible for pre-snap reads. Will this affect him? I think it could. (not that it will. It is just a concern.)

    Bradford's footwork isn't really an issue at all. Hate to use Pro Days as examples, but it looked great at his.
    I am not the only one showing concern over his footwork.


    He can't shovel pass? Wth?
    This was a common complaint of his during his college career. They ran a shovel type pass fairly often. Bradford, uses more of a 'push' technique. It's a small gripe, but it's a concern, and again, not just mine. I did not just come up with things to gripe about. If you watched his games, you heard announcers even comment on this fact a couple of times. In the off season, plenty of sports writers touched on this as well.

    Since when is 6'5 236 pounds small and fragile? Should he have a lineman gut to boot?
    Size has nothing to do with fragility. He is broken merchandise. This is a legit concern. You can say he is cleared all you want. Until he plays game time intensity, for a couple games, we will not know how well he will hold up. What about his longevity? Can he hang, and play at an NFL level, for years to come? How many 250lbs linebackers will it take to break him again? Not like our o-line will give him protection. 40+ sacks on average, per year! Even with an already bum shoulder? He's in for some pain. The NFL will test his shoulder.

    I know he has put on weight since his last game.

    I thought the guys we had on our roster as an offensive line was an o-line...Our coaching staff begs to differ with you btw.
    I would love to discuss it with them! Would be cool just to talk with them. I played O-line through pop-warner, high school, and college. I can't imagine what an NFL coaching staff would know. But I digress...

    ... on a serious note... we do not. We do not have an O-line that has played more then 3 games in a row. A good o-line needs to be consistent in roster and game time. We have guys playing every different position. Last year, we didn't have two guys play the same position back to back. Injury plagued would be an understatement. Ask Bulger. Poor guy was beaten and abused behind an abysmal O-line.

    The Rams O-line has been a running joke in many football circles. If you do not see this, I am not sure we can have an honest talk. I love the Rams, but am honest about where they need improvement.

    No matter if you feel the bad O-line play was Bulger's fault or not, is another story. Sad fact is, they have been BAD the last few years.

    Last year ESPN would constantly say "Steven Jackson is the best RB, playing with the worst O-line".

    The Rams just terminated the Marc Bulger era a few weeks ago. This era was marked by two major features: A poor offensive line that surrendered 40+ sacks each year and every year for nine years straight, and a quarterback who suffered one injury after another and played little. Every fact you need to explain the Rams recent record of futility can be found within these two points.

    Our receivers are fine and we haven't even got to the second round yet, who knows what additions we will make.
    Our receivers need work, and good point. I might of been too harsh on them, as I actually do think the receiver core is better then most give credit for.

    As ive said a billion times, there is a reason all of those QBs are still on the board and Bradford isn't. If we hadn't picked Bradford he would ahve been swooped up by Washington at 4, Clausen is still twiddling his thumbs. Kind of tells you something when every NFL team passes on you.
    A QB as your #1 pick is 'high risk, high reward'. I get that.

    I simply felt we could of done the team a better deed by going after one of the many d-line or o-lineman available.

    McNabb would have cost us at least two premium picks and is 34 years old with sub par accuracy and would have been in an offense that demands accuracy more than all else...Roethlisberger can't even play for the first 4-6 games and when he comes back we'd have been without premium draft picks...
    Ask yourself this, though — would you rather have McNabb and Ndamukong Suh or Bradford and some guy in the second round?

    Good point about Ben. Didn't consider that, honestly.

    There is no sure thing and Suh wasn't anymore close than Mccoy IMO. He could be a washout just the same and you don't know who is closer to being a "sure" thing than the enxt guy. Even if he was, he wasn't going to help us win any football games...
    I agree, no such thing as a "sure" bet.

    Defense wins championships.

    A team is built around the lineman.

    I guess you and Trent Dilfer can sit relatively alone while us Ram fans look to the future...
    Whoa man, no need to be hostile. I don't understand why your certainty is acceptable, but by concern and doubts disqualifies me as a Rams fan?

    This comment shows the age and maturity level of the person on the other computer.

    I do not care what Dilfer said. He has forgotten more about football then I will ever learn. Same goes for everyone here, unless they have played in the NFL. I was just trying to show I am not the only one with concern. Many reports are coming out saying Rams wasted their pick, Rams blew it, Rams made mistake, blah blah blah.

    Steve Young is a very respected ex-NFL QB. He advises many teams on QB issues, and is an NFL analysis. He has said yesterday:

    he was
    unsure if Sam Bradford had the take-charge attitude that a star QB needs
    and

    This might be the best moment for the next nine months he's going to have,'' Young said. "... This is a tough spot for anybody.''
    Referring to how far the Rams have to come.

    I am sorry, that has me worried. But I guess a true Rams fan is not concerned over their teams future, especially after a spectacular 1-15 year.

    I am a Rams fan through and through. My concern is real, and is just my opinion. I am surprised to see the hostility, the attacks, the attitude this Rams forum has over another Rams fan's worries.

    Apparently it's like it, or leave? Maybe it's just a bad day... I'll go now. Hopefully we can continue a chill talk, without the attitude. If not, I still appreciate you taking the time.

    GO RAMS

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    By the way, welcome to ClanRam.
    No kidding... thanks anyway guy.

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    Re: Sam Bradford.

    I can never fully trust young QB's, but Iron Sam looks good. I want him to succeed and I think he will get the job down. We won't win more than 3-6 games next year, and probably a similar number in 2011, but after that we'll make our surge.

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    Re: Sam Bradford.

    New on the board, my first post! I am a Sooner girl who is now a Ram fan, can't wait to get my season tickets and jersey. Anyone who doubts Sam Bradford can relax. Went to school with him, saw most of his games live and can tell you he will be fine. The Rams need a WR, and an o -line but Sammy B. will do everything possible to win for the Rams. The guys is a 3.9 gpa in finance smart, he did play under center, scarey accurate, and very calm in the pocket. He will stand in the pocket to make a throw and the only downside the guy has, is his commitment to his team and a win that he is willing to get slammed to the ground for them. I can't wait to watch him play for you guys. I have to embrace the Ram tradition so I will do my diligence and learn the history and tradition. I will buy my season tickets and yell as loud as I can for the Rams. My first game, I will be wearing crimson red, after that, I will be in #8 jersey screaming at the top of my lungs for a VICTORY!

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    Re: Sam Bradford.

    Let's get off the SUH bandwagon, he could be a bust. You never know until they are on field. We've drafted defensive before and they didn't work out. Wasn't Jimmy Kennedy from Penn ST suppose to be a stud?

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    Re: Sam Bradford.

    Yall are right. More and more I look around, and listen, the more I am happy with the Bradford pick. What can I say? I was pretty stoked on Suh. But all said and done, I think the Rams got a good draft selection all around.

    I was just bummed and ranting. Sorry!

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    Re: Sam Bradford.

    Quote Originally Posted by theBrawlerFan View Post

    This is where we disagree. He did not play under center much (give me numbers to prove me wrong) Of course he did play under center. He did not take a shotgun snap every single play. I know this. But he is not a drop pack QB, at least during his college career.
    I don't know if we're allowed to post links or anything but this might prove your argument wrong
    Tuesday Takes on Bradford, McCoy, Rams | Bernie's 5 Minutes | STLtoday

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    Re: Sam Bradford.

    suh will be a better qb if he tryed

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    Re: Sam Bradford.

    Quote Originally Posted by TakeSuh View Post
    suh will be a better qb if he tryed
    And I can drink from the Fountain of Youth and live to see that our Rams will relocate to Mars.

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    Re: Sam Bradford.

    theBrawlerfan, sorry if i came off anrgy. I just get tired of hearing the same things rehashed only to get debunked over and over again. I don't fell like covering all the points again but here goes.

    77% completion rating doesn't mean much if your not throwing beyond 15 yards on average and actually doesn't tell you if a guy can throw in the tight windows.

    I said Sam Bradford's size because you said he was "small". And you tell me if it doesn't matter if your 6'5 236 or 5'8 150.

    Our line is quickly becoming one of the strengths of our team especially with the Rodger Saffold addition in the second round. Brown, Fraley/Greco, Bell, Smith, Saffold, Goldberg, Barron and setterstrom are all solid with room ro grow.

    I fail to see how the shovel pass is an issue, but you admitted its a small one so ill leave it at that.

    For every pick in the draft you can possbily make, someone is going to complain. I have actually failed to see one person say the Rams blew it on any page except for STLtoday.com in the comments of the Pro-Suh people. If the Rams drafted Suh there would be the same thing cropping up asking how in the qworld you draft a defensive tackle with no QB on your roster.

    A team is indeed built around the lineman which is why we added another first round graded lineman to help protect Bradford. And a slew of high upside defensive lineman in later rounds.

    Steve Young does not know Bradford on a personal level, neither do i. He's "unsure" because of this. All Bradford's teammates loved him and said he was a great leader, if you don't listen to the people who actually know him, how can you listen to someone who doesn't?

    Of course being a rookie QB is a tough spot, regardless of who you go to. Being number one overall adds to that pressure. I agree its a "toughspot" and if your going to be nervous that's acceptable.

    Again hopefully i didn't (yea right.) come across as a jerk, just gets irritating to me to keep answering the same concerns or questions over and over. I realize its just a case of people not knowing much about what's going on so its cool.

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    Re: Sam Bradford.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBackwards View Post
    I don't know if we're allowed to post links or anything but this might prove your argument wrong
    Tuesday Takes on Bradford, McCoy, Rams | Bernie's 5 Minutes | STLtoday
    Excellent link. Great read.

    Nice to read actual numbers and stats vs. opinions and speculations.
    Bralidore(RAMMODE);344388]theBrawlerfan, sorry if i came off anrgy. I just get tired of hearing the same things rehashed only to get debunked over and over again. I don't fell like covering all the points again but here goes.
    No worries. Not like I was the easiest to be nice to.

    I understand your frustration. I am not a typical 'bandwagon' guy. I go by what I see, and have been a long times Rams fan. My concerns are real, but my knowledge might be lacking. So, I appreciate you taking all this time. I'm learning, and getting pumped for the season.

    77% completion rating doesn't mean much if your not throwing beyond 15 yards on average and actually doesn't tell you if a guy can throw in the tight windows.

    I said Sam Bradford's size because you said he was "small". And you tell me if it doesn't matter if your 6'5 236 or 5'8 150.

    Our line is quickly becoming one of the strengths of our team especially with the Rodger Saffold addition in the second round. Brown, Fraley/Greco, Bell, Smith, Saffold, Goldberg, Barron and setterstrom are all solid with room ro grow.

    I fail to see how the shovel pass is an issue, but you admitted its a small one so ill leave it at that.

    For every pick in the draft you can possbily make, someone is going to complain. I have actually failed to see one person say the Rams blew it on any page except for STLtoday.com in the comments of the Pro-Suh people. If the Rams drafted Suh there would be the same thing cropping up asking how in the qworld you draft a defensive tackle with no QB on your roster.
    Excellent point.

    My hopes were to take Suh, then go for a 2nd round QB (Tebow, Clausen, someone). That was a personal opinion, or 'hope'. That's all.

    A team is indeed built around the lineman which is why we added another first round graded lineman to help protect Bradford. And a slew of high upside defensive lineman in later rounds.
    Yup. I do like our picks overall.

    Steve Young does not know Bradford on a personal level, neither do i. He's "unsure" because of this. All Bradford's teammates loved him and said he was a great leader, if you don't listen to the people who actually know him, how can you listen to someone who doesn't?
    That's a good point. I listen to a lot of local sports radio, local news papers, so i don't get the 'word from the horses mouth' so to speak.

    Steve Young is someone's opinion I respect, no matter how much I hated him as a player!
    Of course being a rookie QB is a tough spot, regardless of who you go to. Being number one overall adds to that pressure. I agree its a "toughspot" and if your going to be nervous that's acceptable.

    Again hopefully i didn't (yea right.) come across as a jerk, just gets irritating to me to keep answering the same concerns or questions over and over. I realize its just a case of people not knowing much about what's going on so its cool.
    Not a jerk man, not at all. I can understand the assumption. Just another Suh fan-boy. I am not though. I am open to learn. I was just bummed and ranting. Spouting off stuff that had little to do with my gripe!

    Anyway, no hard feelings. All Rams fans!

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    Re: Sam Bradford.

    Monday is never the busiest day for me, so I am reading up on the Rams talk as much as I can.

    Rodger Saffold is someone I am excited about. He should be great, and help us get rid of that Alex Barron mistake.

    Rams O-line is also the only o-line to give up 40+ sacks every year, for 9 years straight. We need this guy!

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