Second Round Question

**Nick** · -02-22-2005

Originally Posted by theodus69

Kinda like he was on a great Defense and was part of a puzzle but maybe not part of the Rams puzzle? in other words he was only as good as the defense as a whole and not a stand out?

When non-stud guys come out from very talented defenses, one of the concerns is whether he really is as good a player as advertised or whether the defense helped make him look good. Again, he's a great return man, but he was a nickel corner until this season, I believe, and he played in a pretty stacked secondary. You have to take that under consideration.

***theodus69*** · -02-22-2005

Yeah, I jumble my words, but that's what thought you meant. Thanks for the info!

**HUbison** · -02-22-2005

Originally Posted by HUbison

Wow. Nine corners out of 47 picks, interesting to say the least, although I think your Green Bay friend reached for Rogers @ 24.

Hey Nick, do you mind posting the entire draft thus far...I know I'd be interested to see how it's going.

Come on Nick, enquiring minds wanna know. What does the rest of the draft look like. Share a bit, brother.

**Nick** · -02-22-2005

Sorry bison, didn't see your response there. Here's the draft thus far.

# - Team - Player

1. San Francisco ***** - Aaron Rodgers, QB, California
2. Miami Dolphins - Alex Smith, QB, Utah
3. Cleveland Browns - Antrel Rolle, CB, Miami (Florida)
4. Chicago Bears - Mike Williams, WR, Southern California
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Carnell 'Cadillac' Williams, RB, Auburn
6. Tennessee Titans - Derrick Johnson, LB, Texas
7. Oakland Raiders - Cedric Benson, RB, Texas
8. Arizona Cardinals - Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn
9. Washington Redskins - Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan
10. Detroit Lions - Erasmus James, DE, Wisconsin
11. Dallas Cowboys - Shawne Merriman, DE, Maryland
12. San Diego Chargers –from NYG- Marcus Spears, DE, Louisiana State
13. Houston Texans - Alex Barron, OT, Florida State
14. Carolina Panthers - Heath Miller, TE, Virginia
15. Kansas City Chiefs - Adam 'Pac Man' Jones, CB, West Virginia
16. New Orleans Saints - Thomas Davis, S, Georgia
17. Cincinnati Bengals - Travis Johnson, DT, Florida State
18. Minnesota Vikings - Anttaj Hawthorne, DT, Wisconsin
19. St. Louis Rams - Jammal Brown, OT, Oklahoma
20. Dallas Cowboys -from BUF- Troy Williamson, WR, South Carolina
21. Jacksonville Jaguars - David Pollack, DE, Georgia
22. Baltimore Ravens - Mark Clayton, WR, Oklahoma
23. Seattle Seahawks - Channing Crowder, LB, Florida
24. Green Bay Packers - Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn
25. Denver Broncos - Elton Brown, OG, Virginia
26. New York Jets - Brandon Browner, CB, Oregon State
27. Atlanta Falcons - Fred Gibson, WR, Georgia
28. San Diego Chargers - Brodney Pool, S, Oklahoma
29. Indianapolis Colts - Mike Patterson, DT, Southern California
30. Pittsburgh Steelers - Marlin Jackson, CB, Michigan
31. Philadelphia Eagles - Shaun Cody, DE/DT, USC
32. New England Patriots - Justin Miller, CB, Clemson

33. San Francisco ***** - Corey Webster, CB, Louisiana State
34. Cleveland Browns - Charlie Frye, QB, Akron
35. Philadelphia Eagles –from MIA- Kevin Burnett, LB, Tennessee
36. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - David Baas, OG/C, Michigan
37. Tennessee Titans - Khalif Barnes, OT, Washington
38. Oakland Raiders - Dan Cody, DE/OLB, Oklahoma
39. Chicago Bears - Darryl Blackstock, OLB, Virginia
40. New Orleans Saints –from WAS- Odell Thurman, MLB, Georgia
41. Detroit Lions - Ernest Shazor, SS, Michigan
42. Dallas Cowboys - Justin Tuck, DE, Notre Dame
43. New York Giants - Adam Terry, OT, Syracuse
44. Arizona Cardinals - Eric Green, CB, Virginia Tech
45. Carolina Panthers - Roddy White, WR, Alabama-Birmingham
46. Kansas City Chiefs - Chris Henry, WR, West Virginia
47. Houston Texans - Bryant McFadden, CB, Florida State
48. Cincinnati Bengals - Chris Spencer, OL, Ole Miss
49. Minnesota Vikings - Oshiomogho Atogwe, S, Stanford
50. St. Louis Rams - Josh Bullocks, S, Nebraska
51. Green Bay Packers –from NO- Lance Mitchell, LB, Okalhoma
52. Jacksonville Jaguars - Matt Roth, DE, Iowa
53. Baltimore Ravens - Chris Kemoeatu, OG, Utah

Some of the guys I'm looking at for the third round include TEs Alex Smith and Joel Dreessen (if I could grab Smith at the top of round three, I'd love it), OL Marcus Johnson or Ben Wilkerson, DE Demarcus Ware, OLBs Rian Wallace or maybe even someone like Roger Cooper with the latter pick, and CB Antonio Perkins.

***theodus69*** · -02-22-2005

I'd love to get Perkins in the 3rd if he is there still!

**Nick** · -02-22-2005

I'd definitely take him in the third if he is there as well, though I'd be tempted to take some other guys ahead of him if they are there as well. Right now, if I had it my way, I'd probably take Alex Smith and Perkins in the third round.

***ZigZagRam*** · -02-23-2005

Hmmm, I would've been tempted to take a look at Lance Mitchell in the 2nd round.

Perkins would be a steal in the 3rd IMO, and I bet you could grab Dreessen with the second 3rd round pick.

I wish this was really the Rams draft. I'd be going nuts.

Brown, Bullocks, Perkins and Dreessen? Can't complain about that.

Let us know how things went after Round 3.

**HUbison** · -02-23-2005

I'd say you're doing us proud, Nick. Brown and Bullocks with the first two...nothing wrong with that. Along with Smith and Dreesen, another TE to look at in the 3rd would be Kevin Everett from Miami. Perkins at corner, Ruud is still there at ILB, Wallace at OLB...there's still a lot of quality picks out there.

21. Jacksonville Jaguars - David Pollack, DE, Georgia 52. Jacksonville Jaguars - Matt Roth, DE, Iowa

Your friend from Jax has created quite the bookends on the D-line hasn't he? This could be interesting, it'd be like cloning Wistrom and having them on each end.

And speaking of solidifying a defense...

12. San Diego Chargers –from NYG- Marcus Spears, DE, Louisiana State 28. San Diego Chargers - Brodney Pool, S, Oklahoma

I applaud your friend from San Diego. Well done.

Keep it up, Nick. You're representing well over there.

**Nick** · -02-23-2005

Another strategy I'm thinking could have been employed was I could have passed on Brown and gone defense in round one, assuming the Rams either sign a vet right tackle like Fred Miller in FA or drafted one in the second or early third round. Guys like Michael Munoz and Jeremy Parquet are still available, although Tampa's about to make a run at Munoz.

But I'm happy with Brown and Bullocks for the moment. We'll see how the third and final round of this mock turns out.

**Nick** · -02-24-2005

Here's how the rest of the second round came out, for those interested.

51. Green Bay Packers –from NO- Lance Mitchell, LB, Okalhoma
52. Jacksonville Jaguars - Matt Roth, DE, Iowa
53. Baltimore Ravens - Chris Kemoeatu, OG, Utah
54. Seattle Seahawks - Ciatrick Fason, RB, Florida
55. Buffalo Bills - Luis Castillo, DT, Northwestern
56. Denver Broncos - CJ Mosley, DT, Missouri
57. New York Jets - Alex Smith, TE, Stanford
58. Green Bay Packers - Andrew Walter, QB, Arizona State
59. Atlanta Falcons - Wesley Britt, LT, Alabama
60. Indianapolis Colts - Bryant McFadden, CB, Florida State
61. San Diego Chargers - Roscoe Parrish, WR, Miami (FL)
62. Pittsburgh Steelers - Kirk Morrison, LB, San Diego State
63. Philadelphia Eagles - Rian Wallace, LB, Temple
64. New England Patriots - Lofa Tatupu, LB, USC

It's only going through two rounds, because people can't make their picks on time and the guy running it ended up making like half of the picks for teams.

**HUbison** · -02-25-2005

Nick, had there been a 3rd round, you would have had a lot to pick from. At TE, Everett and Dreesen are both still there, plus if you wanted to go D, Demarcus Ware is still on the board. Some interesting picks there in the last half of the 2nd round though, some real head scratchers :confused:

That looked like fun, Nick. Thanks for sharing it with us.

**Nick** · -02-25-2005

The last couple of picks, the guy just filled in some names for people who weren't picking. I don't get the idea that much thought was put into it, because by this point, he just wanted to end it due to lack of participation.