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    Re: Second Round Question

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    Kinda like he was on a great Defense and was part of a puzzle but maybe not part of the Rams puzzle? in other words he was only as good as the defense as a whole and not a stand out?
    When non-stud guys come out from very talented defenses, one of the concerns is whether he really is as good a player as advertised or whether the defense helped make him look good. Again, he's a great return man, but he was a nickel corner until this season, I believe, and he played in a pretty stacked secondary. You have to take that under consideration.

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    Re: Second Round Question

    Yeah, I jumble my words, but that's what thought you meant. Thanks for the info!
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    Re: Second Round Question

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    Wow. Nine corners out of 47 picks, interesting to say the least, although I think your Green Bay friend reached for Rogers @ 24.

    Hey Nick, do you mind posting the entire draft thus far...I know I'd be interested to see how it's going.
    Come on Nick, enquiring minds wanna know. What does the rest of the draft look like. Share a bit, brother.
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    Re: Second Round Question

    Sorry bison, didn't see your response there. Here's the draft thus far.

    # - Team - Player

    1. San Francisco ***** - Aaron Rodgers, QB, California
    2. Miami Dolphins - Alex Smith, QB, Utah
    3. Cleveland Browns - Antrel Rolle, CB, Miami (Florida)
    4. Chicago Bears - Mike Williams, WR, Southern California
    5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Carnell 'Cadillac' Williams, RB, Auburn
    6. Tennessee Titans - Derrick Johnson, LB, Texas
    7. Oakland Raiders - Cedric Benson, RB, Texas
    8. Arizona Cardinals - Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn
    9. Washington Redskins - Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan
    10. Detroit Lions - Erasmus James, DE, Wisconsin
    11. Dallas Cowboys - Shawne Merriman, DE, Maryland
    12. San Diego Chargers –from NYG- Marcus Spears, DE, Louisiana State
    13. Houston Texans - Alex Barron, OT, Florida State
    14. Carolina Panthers - Heath Miller, TE, Virginia
    15. Kansas City Chiefs - Adam 'Pac Man' Jones, CB, West Virginia
    16. New Orleans Saints - Thomas Davis, S, Georgia
    17. Cincinnati Bengals - Travis Johnson, DT, Florida State
    18. Minnesota Vikings - Anttaj Hawthorne, DT, Wisconsin
    19. St. Louis Rams - Jammal Brown, OT, Oklahoma
    20. Dallas Cowboys -from BUF- Troy Williamson, WR, South Carolina
    21. Jacksonville Jaguars - David Pollack, DE, Georgia
    22. Baltimore Ravens - Mark Clayton, WR, Oklahoma
    23. Seattle Seahawks - Channing Crowder, LB, Florida
    24. Green Bay Packers - Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn
    25. Denver Broncos - Elton Brown, OG, Virginia
    26. New York Jets - Brandon Browner, CB, Oregon State
    27. Atlanta Falcons - Fred Gibson, WR, Georgia
    28. San Diego Chargers - Brodney Pool, S, Oklahoma
    29. Indianapolis Colts - Mike Patterson, DT, Southern California
    30. Pittsburgh Steelers - Marlin Jackson, CB, Michigan
    31. Philadelphia Eagles - Shaun Cody, DE/DT, USC
    32. New England Patriots - Justin Miller, CB, Clemson

    33. San Francisco ***** - Corey Webster, CB, Louisiana State
    34. Cleveland Browns - Charlie Frye, QB, Akron
    35. Philadelphia Eagles –from MIA- Kevin Burnett, LB, Tennessee
    36. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - David Baas, OG/C, Michigan
    37. Tennessee Titans - Khalif Barnes, OT, Washington
    38. Oakland Raiders - Dan Cody, DE/OLB, Oklahoma
    39. Chicago Bears - Darryl Blackstock, OLB, Virginia
    40. New Orleans Saints –from WAS- Odell Thurman, MLB, Georgia
    41. Detroit Lions - Ernest Shazor, SS, Michigan
    42. Dallas Cowboys - Justin Tuck, DE, Notre Dame
    43. New York Giants - Adam Terry, OT, Syracuse
    44. Arizona Cardinals - Eric Green, CB, Virginia Tech
    45. Carolina Panthers - Roddy White, WR, Alabama-Birmingham
    46. Kansas City Chiefs - Chris Henry, WR, West Virginia
    47. Houston Texans - Bryant McFadden, CB, Florida State
    48. Cincinnati Bengals - Chris Spencer, OL, Ole Miss
    49. Minnesota Vikings - Oshiomogho Atogwe, S, Stanford
    50. St. Louis Rams - Josh Bullocks, S, Nebraska
    51. Green Bay Packers –from NO- Lance Mitchell, LB, Okalhoma
    52. Jacksonville Jaguars - Matt Roth, DE, Iowa
    53. Baltimore Ravens - Chris Kemoeatu, OG, Utah


    Some of the guys I'm looking at for the third round include TEs Alex Smith and Joel Dreessen (if I could grab Smith at the top of round three, I'd love it), OL Marcus Johnson or Ben Wilkerson, DE Demarcus Ware, OLBs Rian Wallace or maybe even someone like Roger Cooper with the latter pick, and CB Antonio Perkins.
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    Re: Second Round Question

    I'd love to get Perkins in the 3rd if he is there still!
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    Re: Second Round Question

    I'd definitely take him in the third if he is there as well, though I'd be tempted to take some other guys ahead of him if they are there as well. Right now, if I had it my way, I'd probably take Alex Smith and Perkins in the third round.
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    Re: Second Round Question

    Hmmm, I would've been tempted to take a look at Lance Mitchell in the 2nd round.

    Perkins would be a steal in the 3rd IMO, and I bet you could grab Dreessen with the second 3rd round pick.

    I wish this was really the Rams draft. I'd be going nuts.

    Brown, Bullocks, Perkins and Dreessen? Can't complain about that.

    Let us know how things went after Round 3.
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    Re: Second Round Question

    I'd say you're doing us proud, Nick. Brown and Bullocks with the first two...nothing wrong with that. Along with Smith and Dreesen, another TE to look at in the 3rd would be Kevin Everett from Miami. Perkins at corner, Ruud is still there at ILB, Wallace at OLB...there's still a lot of quality picks out there.
    21. Jacksonville Jaguars - David Pollack, DE, Georgia 52. Jacksonville Jaguars - Matt Roth, DE, Iowa
    Your friend from Jax has created quite the bookends on the D-line hasn't he? This could be interesting, it'd be like cloning Wistrom and having them on each end.

    And speaking of solidifying a defense...
    12. San Diego Chargers –from NYG- Marcus Spears, DE, Louisiana State 28. San Diego Chargers - Brodney Pool, S, Oklahoma
    I applaud your friend from San Diego. Well done.

    Keep it up, Nick. You're representing well over there.
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    Re: Second Round Question

    Another strategy I'm thinking could have been employed was I could have passed on Brown and gone defense in round one, assuming the Rams either sign a vet right tackle like Fred Miller in FA or drafted one in the second or early third round. Guys like Michael Munoz and Jeremy Parquet are still available, although Tampa's about to make a run at Munoz.

    But I'm happy with Brown and Bullocks for the moment. We'll see how the third and final round of this mock turns out.
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    Re: Second Round Question

    Here's how the rest of the second round came out, for those interested.

    51. Green Bay Packers –from NO- Lance Mitchell, LB, Okalhoma
    52. Jacksonville Jaguars - Matt Roth, DE, Iowa
    53. Baltimore Ravens - Chris Kemoeatu, OG, Utah
    54. Seattle Seahawks - Ciatrick Fason, RB, Florida
    55. Buffalo Bills - Luis Castillo, DT, Northwestern
    56. Denver Broncos - CJ Mosley, DT, Missouri
    57. New York Jets - Alex Smith, TE, Stanford
    58. Green Bay Packers - Andrew Walter, QB, Arizona State
    59. Atlanta Falcons - Wesley Britt, LT, Alabama
    60. Indianapolis Colts - Bryant McFadden, CB, Florida State
    61. San Diego Chargers - Roscoe Parrish, WR, Miami (FL)
    62. Pittsburgh Steelers - Kirk Morrison, LB, San Diego State
    63. Philadelphia Eagles - Rian Wallace, LB, Temple
    64. New England Patriots - Lofa Tatupu, LB, USC

    It's only going through two rounds, because people can't make their picks on time and the guy running it ended up making like half of the picks for teams.
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    Re: Second Round Question

    Nick, had there been a 3rd round, you would have had a lot to pick from. At TE, Everett and Dreesen are both still there, plus if you wanted to go D, Demarcus Ware is still on the board. Some interesting picks there in the last half of the 2nd round though, some real head scratchers :confused:

    That looked like fun, Nick. Thanks for sharing it with us.
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    Re: Second Round Question

    The last couple of picks, the guy just filled in some names for people who weren't picking. I don't get the idea that much thought was put into it, because by this point, he just wanted to end it due to lack of participation.
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